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An Important Distinction:

It is not clear what you mean by "it" here, in reference to what can happen. There is a big difference between longer processing times for some applicants (that is inevitable and happens to every applicant whose application does not get the benefit from being done as fast as applications get done) and applications that involve substantial non-routine processing related to more complex issues resulting in lengthy delays. More regarding longer processing times below.

AND then there are those applications, a small percentage of applications, that run into more serious problems. Many of these (probably most) are applicant fault cases (ranging from errors in the application to applying too soon), and many of these are due to complications in the individual applicant's history (yeah, refugees tend to have more issues).

And then there is a very, very small percentage of applications in regards to which IRCC drops the ball or otherwise fails to properly manage. As I understand it, @GFLiam claims to be among the latter, someone whose application IRCC is failing to properly process (which if true, to be clear, is particular to the individual application, there being no indication at all of any widespread failure in processing in citizenship applications by IRCC). @GFLiam should consult (paid for consultation) with a lawyer.

It is possible for IRCC to drop the ball in regards to any applicant. The odds of that, however, are remote. Leading to . . .

Possible Meteoroid Hit to the Head NOT Scary:

What is in the realm of the possible, what "can happen," should not be scary, lest you never cross a street or dine in a public place.

Innocent people can be charged with a crime, and it can take years to get clear, but it is not scary that "it can happen to any of us."

More practically . . .

In terms of risks and probabilities, the odds are low there will be any serious problem with a citizenship application for the vast majority (meaning all but a rather small if not tiny minority) of Canadians (Permanent Residents) who apply and . . .
. . . who meet all the qualifications for a grant of citizenship (including no prohibitions)​
. . . whose life is well-settled and permanently established in Canada​
. . . who properly and completely submit the information requested in the application​
. . . who accurately and completely report travel history in the physical presence calculation, applying with a real buffer over the minimum physical presence​
. . . who timely and properly respond to all notices and requests from IRCC​

That said, there is some risk of non-routine processing resulting in significantly longer processing times for a minority of such applicants, a relatively small minority who have complex factors such as some complications in their immigration history, or associations potentially leading a total stranger bureaucrat to have questions or concerns that require non-routine inquiries or even investigation (ranging from security related concerns in other countries to a hit in law enforcement records even though there are no formal charges; almost all affected by this should personally know of their particular risk).

Many of the risk factors are no-brainers. The longer and more regularly established residency and work history IN Canada, the lower the risk. The fewer mistakes in the application the lower the risk (we all make mistakes; those who believe they made no mistake make the big mistake of believing they made no mistakes). Among others. No rocket science necessary.

For the vast majority of applicants, for all but a very small percentage (which however adds up to a significant number), the risk of the application getting bogged down beyond the standard range in processing times is low and should not be scary.

Leading to . . .



What the published processing time is based on has varied quite a bit recently. IRCC appears to be fumbling in its messaging.

But overall, generally, the processing times IRCC publishes are around how long it takes to process HALF plus at least one (that is most) of the applications submitted. Nearly half will take longer.

The thing about this, given how the process works, is that this published processing time is not much longer than the fastest processing time for citizenship applications (with some isolated exceptions).

So a large, large percentage of applications, potentially nearly half, take longer. There are many reasons. Big one is the varying work loads in local offices. Varying schedules. And since the processing time is almost entirely about how long an application sits in a queue waiting for a total stranger bureaucrat to act on it, every little extra step in the process adds a considerable amount of processing time, which is really wait time.

So, the bureaucrat sees cause to do an extra check on an employer the applicant reports in the application, instead of directly proceeding through the process that application could go into a queue waiting for responses from inquiries and waiting still in queue beyond that for the bureaucrat to act on it. Little checks add time, and they can add up, and then so much time has passed the formal clearances must be updated so the application goes back into another queue waiting on those.

Two times the fastest processing times is probably not unusual and for the majority of applicants that does not indicate any serious problems. Letting that cause one mental agony would be, well, foolish.

Why This Matters:

For some applicants it would be prudent to lawyer-up. For most applicants, most by a big margin, the vast majority, no need to lawyer-up; mostly having some patience will do. Knowing the difference is important.

Yes, IRCC will take longer processing some applications. For some it will be up and around twice as long as the processing time for half (which is close to published processing times). Patience is better for one's mental and spiritual health than unnecessary and, frankly, useless frantic anxiety.

But as said, for some, not many at all but some, it is important to recognize there is a problem. If there is a problem the better approach is to see a lawyer, to get some good professional advice about what is happening, in their own individual case, and what can be done about it, in their own individual case. (Whether they choose to rant and whine is for them to decide, but that's not dealing with the problem. To deal with the problem SEE a LAWYER.)
Thanks for the multiple posts mentioning my handle. I have talked to a lawyer and she talked me out of doing a writ of mandamus. I really appreciate that I talked to a lawyer with some senses and not simply a bloodsucker, but she told me the cases she has seen recently did not get resolved quickly even with writ of mandamus and there's a very good chance that I'd be spending over $15k and still ended up at the same situation that I am in right now.

I guess the frustrations of people like myself who ended up in this type of situation with IRCC boils down to one simple question "Why do I need to pay money for a lawyer when it's someone's failing to do their job right?". Moreover, there's no service commitment mandate, no ombudsman, no oversight...simply makes it a more difficult pill to swallow.
 
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No one can truly understand the frustration unless they’ve been in your shoes. It’s an incredibly stressful situation—one that no one wants to go through. Some people may be able to endure the wait more easily if they hold a strong passport and enjoy certain privileges.

For someone like me, with a passport that limits freedom of movement and the ability to visit family or build a stable life, the delays can be mentally exhausting. If I were a U.S. or EU citizen, Canadian citizenship might feel like a bonus—but in my case, it’s a lifeline.

If you’ve been waiting for over two years and are in urgent need of resolution, I strongly recommend pursuing a mandamus application. Consult other lawyers, stay proactive, and don’t hesitate to push for progress. On the other hand, if your situation isn’t urgent, it might be best to set it aside for now and focus on living and working in peace.

I haven’t received any updates from ATIP or CBSA GCMS. At this point, we’re completely in the dark, with no communication or visibility into the process
 
Thanks for the multiple posts mentioning my handle. I have talked to a lawyer and she talked me out of doing a writ of mandamus. I really appreciate that I talked to a lawyer with some senses and not simply a bloodsucker, but she told me the cases she has seen recently did not get resolved quickly even with writ of mandamus and there's a very good chance that I'd be spending over $15k and still ended up at the same situation that I am in right now.

I guess the frustrations of people like myself who ended up in this type of situation with IRCC boils down to one simple question "Why do I need to pay money for a lawyer when it's someone's failing to do their job right?". Moreover, there's no service commitment mandate, no ombudsman, no oversight...simply makes it a more difficult pill to swallow.
I recently saw a webinar by a Toronto lawyer, who was talking about security clearance mandamus and stuff. They do free 15 minutes consultation and also they can charge step by step, so if you end up getting decision from IRCC on step 1, then you don't have to spend more. Also their pricing is way lower than $15K. Can share their website with you if you want.
 
I guess the frustrations of people like myself who ended up in this type of situation with IRCC boils down to one simple question "Why do I need to pay money for a lawyer when it's someone's failing to do their job right?". Moreover, there's no service commitment mandate, no ombudsman, no oversight...simply makes it a more difficult pill to swallow.

Much of what I have been posting in this thread is aimed at quelling some underlying fear-mongering, my posts aimed at reassuring others, the vast, vast majority of those who pursue a grant of Canadian citizenship, that they need not fear being hit by lightning. It can happen. It does happen to some. But for the vast, vast majority of those applying for citizenship, those who meet the qualifications and so on (as I elaborated in a previous post), there is no cause to fear their application going off the rails. They do not need to fear that their application will suffer the fate of someone in IRCC failing to do their job right.

But it can happen, and for those in that box the better approach is to get help from a lawyer, and sometimes the best a lawyer can do is help an individual better understand things and realistically map the road ahead. Unfortunately for some waiting is the best they can do.

You say you are among that small percentage. I have no reason to doubt you, but yes I have referenced your case using terms like "claims" and that probably seems cold. I do not know your case. I am not someone to whom you should disclose anywhere near enough information for me to know your case, in large part because I am not an expert and I am not a Canadian lawyer.

I would note that even though pursuing mandamus relief is not currently a viable option for you, I hope your lawyer explained the terrain well, including some guidance about what to expect going forward and what to watch for along the way.

Meanwhile I understand there are some individuals, and not just a few (but to be clear, it is just a very small percentage of citizenship applicants), who suffer wrongs, and bureaucratic wrongs in particular (the "bureaucracy is what bureaucracy does" reference in my signature is intended to signify plenty), and I understand that my contributions in a forum like this tend to be analytical, lacking empathy. Meanwhile I understand, based on personal experience, how lawyers who are in the business to help people (yes, to make a living, hoping to make a good living, but driven by the desire to help people) are often dissatisfied and distressed when someone comes to them for help but they cannot offer much help, and all too often what help they can provide can come at a cost the person needing help cannot afford.

The reality is that the courts are overflowing with cases in which individuals are compelled to "pay money for a lawyer" to right a wrong done to them, including scores and scores of cases in which their objective (which can take years) is to simply stop a continuing wrong. Anyone with much experience in the justice system in any of the so-called progressive or advanced countries (which includes Canada) knows the pain, the frustration, the angst, and the difficulties so many suffer. Moreover, there are scores and scores of people who a lawyer could help but they cannot afford a lawyer.

I am afraid it comes across harsh to acknowledge this reality. And acknowledging this reality does not lessen the wrongfulness

It is little, perhaps no consolation at all, to recognize that in much of the world, and perhaps for most people in this world, it is far worse.

I also may have been a little heavy-handed in my response to @dreamingmigrant saying how scary it is that "it could happen to any of us" in my effort to distinguish the scope of real risks and reassuring others, the vast, vast majority of those who pursue a grant of Canadian citizenship, the risk is low, very low.

It is often difficult to find the right balance in this forum which, like much of what is in open source discourse on the internet, is so rife with hyperbole.

I wish you well and hope that whatever has entangled your application is sorted out in due course.
 
I recently saw a webinar by a Toronto lawyer, who was talking about security clearance mandamus and stuff. They do free 15 minutes consultation and also they can charge step by step, so if you end up getting decision from IRCC on step 1, then you don't have to spend more. Also their pricing is way lower than $15K. Can share their website with you if you want.
I am in Vancouver so the whole process may be difficult if I need to engage a lawyer in Toronto. In addition, I am sure at this point, IRCC isn't going to budge if it's merely a letter from a lawyer. So, realistically how much less than $15k (not even taking into account for the possible additional costs for remote communications) would even make IRCC blink an eye.
 
I haven’t received any updates from ATIP or CBSA GCMS. At this point, we’re completely in the dark, with no communication or visibility into the process
Have you not received anything from an ATIP request? How much time has passed since you submitted an ATIP request?
 
I am in Vancouver so the whole process may be difficult if I need to engage a lawyer in Toronto. In addition, I am sure at this point, IRCC isn't going to budge if it's merely a letter from a lawyer. So, realistically how much less than $15k (not even taking into account for the possible additional costs for remote communications) would even make IRCC blink an eye.
Of course it's up to you, but the lawyer said they work with all of Canada and you basically doesn't have to be present physically at a court (if it even get to this stage).
additional costs for remote communications
remote communication is basically free these days

Anyway, what I know so far about pricing - 1st step $2K, 2nd step $3K, OR you could agree to pay for 1st+2nd step together - then it's $4.5K. and 3rd and final step - basically taking case to a court is ~$4K. I might be wrong tho, you're free to read about it on their website, or have a free 15minutes consultation with them.
I'll send you a link to a webinar recording with them, so you can decide yourself if it worth it or not.
 
This July I completed 2 years from AOR (July 2023). And still BG & Proh is pending.
My SS started on sept 2023 so I preparing my self to additional 2 months. Will see …
Hi. Was your case assigned to RC-8090 as a primary office initially?
the same question to
I am in the same boat. AOR July 2023, and so far only Test and Language are complete. Last Update was November 2024 when they requested 2nd FP. Any suggestions on action to take?
 
Yes, but I think it doesn’t effect your file if is routine. And most of applications assigns to this office.
I'm not sure what comes first: your case being considered non-routine and then assigned to RC-8090, or it being initially assigned to that slowpoke office and later deemed non-routine due to delayed processing.
 
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I think it’s not related to this number, cause I know some applications assigned to same office and done on timeframe. Something like Vancouver office it’s fast with lucky people
what I saw that if an initial office was any local one but not that rc-8090, a case ran through smothly.