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Annual Salary Plus Benefits under the Employment Reference Letter?

yoshitaas

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Yes. So that is what my concern was. Though it does not explicitly mention full time or part time. It just mentions the average number of hours per week. Also. Had you submitted paystubs?
 

hodari

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Yes. So that is what my concern was. Though it does not explicitly mention full time or part time. It just mentions the average number of hours per week. Also. Had you submitted paystubs?
30 hours or more per week is considered full-time. Less than that is part-time.
It doesn't have to explicitly say full-time or part-time unless you are unable to include hours in a reference letter.
Paystubs are not required as far as I know, but the more evidence you provide the better. I included paystubs for one of my experiences and tax documents for the other two.
 

yoshitaas

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30 hours or more per week is considered full-time. Less than that is part-time.
It doesn't have to explicitly say full-time or part-time unless you are unable to include hours in a reference letter.
Paystubs are not required as far as I know, but the more evidence you provide the better. I included paystubs for one of my experiences and tax documents for the other two.
Got it. Thanks. I am attaching tax documents for a few as well. Also, did all your letters have both email and phone numbers from the company? Sometimes companies have the policy of not giving out personal info. So I have only phone number.

And do digital signatures work fine? Employers are mostly sending direct soft copy over email or docusign. Thanks
 

hodari

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Got it. Thanks. I am attaching tax documents for a few as well. Also, did all your letters have both email and phone numbers from the company? Sometimes companies have the policy of not giving out personal info. So I have only phone number.

And do digital signatures work fine? Employers are mostly sending direct soft copy over email or docusign. Thanks
This is what IRCC says:
"reference or experience letter from the employer, which
  • should be an official document printed on company letterhead (must include the applicant’s name, the company’s contact information [address, telephone number and email address], and the name, title and signature of the immediate supervisor or personnel officer at the company)"
The company's official email address isn't personal information. Doesn't your company have an info@companyname.com or similar email address?

I think digital signature should be fine.
 

yoshitaas

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This is what IRCC says:
"reference or experience letter from the employer, which
  • should be an official document printed on company letterhead (must include the applicant’s name, the company’s contact information [address, telephone number and email address], and the name, title and signature of the immediate supervisor or personnel officer at the company)"
The company's official email address isn't personal information. Doesn't your company have an info@companyname.com or similar email address?

I think digital signature should be fine.
They might. Need to search. But they don't mention it in the employment letter. Company policy
 

hodari

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They might. Need to search. But they don't mention it in the employment letter. Company policy
Weird, for me the contact info was on the official company letterhead itself. VO might get suspicious that an employer you listed has a policy of being unnecessarily hard to reach.

Not sure how strict the VO will be with that requirement, but I'd at least try and add a scan of the business card of a manager or HR person that has email and physical office address on it.
 

yoshitaas

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Weird, for me the contact info was on the official company letterhead itself. VO might get suspicious that an employer you listed has a policy of being unnecessarily hard to reach.

Not sure how strict the VO will be with that requirement, but I'd at least try and add a scan of the business card of a manager or HR person that has email and physical office address on it.
Hi. The letter has the company address and telephone number. No email. And it is a well known organization actually.
 

yoshitaas

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Don't sweat such small details man. Relax.

For the benefits part trust me IRCC doesn't care how much you earn as long as it's paid experience. Whether it's minimum wage with no benefits or CEO with millions in bonuses, as long as it's paid and full-time experience - so make sure the letter states your hours per week or at least explicitly states full-time.

And for the dates, the same dates will be mentioned in the work history section of your application anyway, which are inclusive.
Hi,
Thanks. I am not worried about the benefits part. One of my jobs is part time, but it just mentions the number of hours, not full time or part time.It has mentioned average number of hours per week, and average salary per week.
Don't sweat such small details man. Relax.

For the benefits part trust me IRCC doesn't care how much you earn as long as it's paid experience. Whether it's minimum wage with no benefits or CEO with millions in bonuses, as long as it's paid and full-time experience - so make sure the letter states your hours per week or at least explicitly states full-time.

And for the dates, the same dates will be mentioned in the work history section of your application anyway, which are inclusive.
Hi. Yes. It shows hours per week, and a couple of jobs don't have benefits, but it says "Paid by the hour: <Salary figure>". Hope that sounds right?
 

hodari

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Hi. Yes. It shows hours per week, and a couple of jobs don't have benefits, but it says "Paid by the hour: <Salary figure>". Hope that sounds right?
Like I said, IRCC doesn't care how much you earn or what benefits are there or whether it's paid hourly, daily, weekly, monthly - they don't care.
There's only 2 things they care about:
1. The fact that you're paid any amount greater than $0.
2. Whether you work more or less than 30 hours in a week.

As long as these details are there, you're fine and from what you said it seems everything is in order.
 

yoshitaas

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@hodari Like I said, IRCC doesn't care how much you earn or what benefits are there or whether it's paid hourly, daily, weekly, monthly - they don't care.
There's only 2 things they care about:
1. The fact that you're paid any amount greater than $0.
2. Whether you work more or less than 30 hours in a week.

As long as these details are there, you're fine and from what you said it seems everything is in order.
@hodari HI. then do they calculate the cumulative hours as well ? Because in express entry, it is only month and year. But reference letters mention dates as weLL. So will they recheck that and then calculate the hours again? E.g. one of my employment is average 22 hours per week. So will they consider it only for 15 hours/week? My points will be reduced in that case and that would be a huge problem! Even 40 hours/ week employments will be considered for 30 hours. And that will reduce my hours even further! Am I understanding it correctly?
 
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hodari

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@hodari HI. then do they calculate the cumulative hours as well ? Because in express entry, it is only month and year. But reference letters mention dates as weLL. So will they recheck that and then calculate the hours again? E.g. one of my employment is average 22 hours per week. So will they consider it only for 15 hours/week? My points will be reduced in that case and that would be a huge problem! Even 40 hours/ week employments will be considered for 30 hours. And that will reduce my hours even further! Am I understanding it correctly?
No.
If you work an average of 22 hours/week, they will count the whole 22 hours.
If you work an average of 40 hours/week, they will count it as 30 hours only. Anything over 30 won't count.
 

yoshitaas

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No.
If you work an average of 22 hours/week, they will count the whole 22 hours.
If you work an average of 40 hours/week, they will count it as 30 hours only. Anything over 30 won't count.
HI. Ok. And how do they count the time worked? Express entry has only months and and year. But reference letters mention dates as well. So that way CRS score might be misleading right? So for example duration from 19 sep 2017 to 27 oct 2017. That is 5 weeks 3 days. Would they check it like this?
 

yoshitaas

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HI. Ok. And how do they count the time worked? Express entry has only months and and year. But reference letters mention dates as well. So that way CRS score might be misleading right? So for example duration from 19 sep 2017 to 27 oct 2017. That is 5 weeks 3 days. Would they check it like this?
And another doubt is that what if the experience falls between two to three years?
 

hodari

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HI. Ok. And how do they count the time worked? Express entry has only months and and year. But reference letters mention dates as well. So that way CRS score might be misleading right? So for example duration from 19 sep 2017 to 27 oct 2017. That is 5 weeks 3 days. Would they check it like this?
Based on my gcms notes, they count by months. Half months were considered as full months so Sep 19 to Oct 27 would count as 2 months.
However, all my experiences were full-time.

Not sure if it will be the same in your case or not.