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YenGot

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Hi everyone I know everyone is waiting for updates on their applications , Just wanna know if someone has idea how the Cic perform an citizenship Test this time? Whilst I heard about virtual oath I’m wondering how will they do the test?

any comment is appreciated!TiA!
 

lulykibuly

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I called up cic today and enquired about the test for my friend....they said citizenship test stand canceled/on hold indefinitely at this time due to covid.

Only virtual oath are going on.
 

YenGot

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I called up cic today and enquired about the test for my friend....they said citizenship test stand canceled/on hold indefinitely at this time due to covid.

Only virtual oath are going on.
Good to know , Thank you for this info! Keep safe.
 

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I called up cic today and enquired about the test for my friend....they said citizenship test stand canceled/on hold indefinitely at this time due to covid.

Only virtual oath are going on.
The word indefinitely sounds very gloomy though. Previously they were trying to get online tests, now I heard they're not bothering. Would be good if someone found out what kind of timelines we can expect. Are tests coming back only in 2022?
 
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The word indefinitely sounds very gloomy though. Previously they were trying to get online tests, now I heard they're not bothering. Would be good if someone found out what kind of timelines we can expect. Are tests coming back only in 2022?
This is a long form post.

Not directed towards you in any way, but in reference to your point - I'd take everything you hear with a massive dose of salt. I've been observing that lately, tempers here overall have been running a bit high in this forum and speculation is rife about what the IRCC is doing, with their silence only adding to the situation. I also suspect some subtle brigading going on, with a few accounts that look like sockpuppet accounts of other users pushing a specific viewpoint across multiple sections of the forum, but that's just speculation on my part.

While it is undeniable that the COVID situation has resulted in delays, it would be prudent to watch, while also following up directly with IRCC so we know what the official line is, rather than resort to fear mongering or pushing narratives via rumours.

Looking at how New Zealand (which was most recently hailed for being COVID free due to the actions it took to mitigate the spread of the virus) has begun to see cases again, it is abundantly clear that this virus is not going anywhere for a good while until any sort of effective vaccine is in place. Having said that, a lot of the things being proposed as alternate solutions - online tests vs. in-person tests - are not things that can be set up quickly without having to jump through a number of hoops (validating its legality, for example - this is a part of a process to naturalized citizenship for a passport that is highly desirable, due diligence to ensure no fraudulent behaviour like cheating occurs is important, no matter what value/importance we place on the test as a 'formality'), bureaucracy (having been in the public sector tender process in a previous job, it is a bureaucrat's paradise, so again, more time-bound hurdles).

This is aside from the support structure that needs to be in place. For example, a personal anecdote - I recently had to go through giving my PMP examination via Pearson Vue remotely, with a live proctor observing me via webcam during my exam. Unfortunately, I use a Mac from my office and had a hell of a time getting it to work, almost to the point where I would need to cancel the exam and reschedule before I switched to an alternate computer to solve the issue. I consider myself a somewhat tech-savvy person, but a significant portion aren't. It would not be surprising if the online test as an option came out a good while after things had already begun to normalize to an extent - which would make it a bit of a 'too little, too late' solution, but something that would improve the system overall, even if it wasn't helpful or timely when it was needed. It is somewhat ironic to me that this heavily impacts a group of people who likely had to/are suffering some degree of hardship (moving to a new land and all of the issues it entails) with the hope that their children lead better lives than they did, being the unwilling guinea pigs for hardship in a process that will likely make the path easier for the folks that follow after us.

Realistically, the only thing that can be done (outside of repeated follow ups with official sources) at this stage is to play the waiting game. The IRCC seems to be working (albeit slowly) after an extended shut down period, which is good - finger pointing about their poorly prepared response to this situation can be done once the situation itself subsides (which it hasn't). One can only hope that the conversation then isn't a line of "How could you let this happen?" but more of a "How can we make sure this isn't an issue ever again with a proper well thought out government response plan?".
 

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Having said that, a lot of the things being proposed as alternate solutions - online tests vs. in-person tests - are not things that can be set up quickly without having to jump through a number of hoops (validating its legality, for example - this is a part of a process to naturalized citizenship for a passport that is highly desirable, due diligence to ensure no fraudulent behaviour like cheating occurs is important, no matter what value/importance we place on the test as a 'formality'), bureaucracy (having been in the public sector tender process in a previous job, it is a bureaucrat's paradise, so again, more time-bound hurdles).
Quoted for emphasis. Think some people have been spoiled with instant gratification and the flawed/misconstrued "the customer is always right" way of thinking. These things take time.
 

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lulykibuly

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I dont see online citizenship test will come at all.....it has to be administered in person....with things opening up may be they will start doing in small slots with social distance in place.....just a thought
 
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YenGot

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I dont see online citizenship test will come at all.....it has to be administered in person....with things opening up may be they will start doing in small slots with social distance in place.....just a thought
I love this idea limited slots sounds more timely and safer plus everyone will move forward with the application ! Thanks!
 

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https://www.rebelnews.com/immigration_canada_plans_for_covid_19_physical_distancing_to_continue_into_late_2021
https://www.rebelnews.com/immigration_canada_plans_for_covid_19_physical_distancing_to_continue_into_late_2021

The tribunal for immigration issues, IRB - CISR, which had already resumed its activities with a distance, is in the process of seeking a tenderer to enlarge the premises in safety.
Source, rebelnew (I know ... it's a far-right newspaper hostile to immigrants ... but this information is good for us to take ... If IRB-IRB resumes, that the service canada offices have resumed , there is no longer any reason to delay resuming IRCC services too ... with all necessary security and distancing measures).

They have no more excuses now.

The article also says that the distancing situation will last AT LEAST until the beginning of 2022 (So it could last a lot longer): It's time to get moving!

Note: In Quebec, for example, as part of the provincial plan to end confinement, or "deconfinement", groups of up to 250 people are now allowed ... Including cultural activities, such as theaters or cinemas. .. We cannot say that those are essential !
 

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I saw this bit of news - while interesting, my understanding is that this is specific to the Refugee/Asylum seeker process, more particularly, their appeal hearings. As encouraging as it may sound, it is of little to no relevance to the current backlog for the IRCC.

Given the large influx of asylum seekers that crossed over from the US (which, as per this article, amounts to nearly 57,000 people!), these temporary 'court rooms' are likely being set up to determine feasibility and process these asylum seekers to either regularize their status or order their removal. The language from the tender and the article itself hints at this specifically, which lines up with their intended use. It is highly unlikely that these facilities are going to be multi-functional for IRCC/IRB joint operations. A key line about the distinction between the IRB and the IRCC can be found here.

The IRB reports to Parliament through the Minister of Citizenship and Immigration, but the IRB remains independent from IRCC and the Minister.
I personally think that the other RFP that is currently active and seeking bids, for a supplier of a TBIPS, is actually the more promising one of the two. I read through the entire thing for a laugh and it looks like they're looking for a possible outside assistance to help process applications faster, which (and this is speculation) means they're likely to make a move towards all digital applications for all immigration types once the system hits capacity. This is important - one of the biggest obstacles right now with paper-based applications is that it requires someone to digitize portions (if not all) of an application for processing and storage. By making moves like this, it would be unsurprising if the end goal was to use TBIPS like these to help digitize all application procedures in the long run and unify the system.

It is likely that the current system for Express Entry, while reasonably quick, is either not scalable, nor sustainable at its current pace and growing volume. Couple this with unprecendented shutdown events (like COVID) and it's clear that the system needs work and has very clear bottlenecks that they're looking to circumvent with RFP's like this.

So in a way, it's a good thing that the government is looking at making the process more efficient long-term, though it is sad that it was a COVID (reactive) based and not a proactive decision to do this.

Quoted for emphasis. Think some people have been spoiled with instant gratification and the flawed/misconstrued "the customer is always right" way of thinking. These things take time.
I don't know, I'm personally trying to be empathetic about this because it's clear that folks are in a lot of pain and suffering, and rightfully so - the family sponsorship section right now is a miserable place, filled with a lot of people forcibly apart from their loved ones with no end in sight and little to no communication from the government about any of their applications. I can understand their frustration and I would be lying if I said I wasn't upset about the whole situation; I was to be married in June this year and I was actually planning to have had the process for spousal sponsorship started this month, but, well... we can imagine how it all turned out. However, the nice part about all this is that it showed me why I made the right choice of partner and her consideration throughout this whole affair is what makes me not doubt why she is 'the one' for me.

The citizenship application to me is secondary in this whole affair; after all, what good is a Canadian passport when I cannot travel? or the ability to vote with elections a good few years away? In this current environment, I am thankful to have a roof over my head, a decent job, a paid off car, food in my fridge and my health, which is more than can be said for a lot of folks out there right now who were hit hard by COVID. I think that maybe my problem is that as an immigrant, I never forgot the hardship, but that's just me.
 
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Quoted for emphasis. Think some people have been spoiled with instant gratification and the flawed/misconstrued "the customer is always right" way of thinking. These things take time.
In your opinion, how much time the Cic need to perform the citizenship Test again?
do they need months or years ?
They are accepting new citizenship application and slowly doing vertual oath, however the test is " on hold indefinitely ". that means the whole process for those who applied for citizenship in canada is broken until Cic people find a solution for that.
 

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In your opinion, how much time the Cic need to perform the citizenship Test again?
do they need months or years ?
They are accepting new citizenship application and slowly doing vertual oath, however the test is " on hold indefinitely ". that means the whole process for those who applied for citizenship in canada is broken until Cic people find a solution for that.
I have no opinion because I have not lived through a pandemic before and I am guessing neither has IRCC, so there is no precedent for this.

Like @siddharthbala above, I also had a stint in the public sector and witnessed bureaucracy where a very trivial IT matter took over a year to finalize...I am slightly exaggerating a bit, and citizenship tests are obviously more urgent than that, but probably not as urgent when considering what else is at stake (people's lives and livelihoods) these days.
 
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Citizenship test are totally doable now, since restaurants are allowed for dine in, schools are opening, small slots of people can test, i dont see any reason they cannot do inperson tests anymore..