Is Canada still worth immigrating to for Indians anymore?

[newuxtreme]

I'm asking because I am getting very confused about what I should be doing.
I want to get away from the crazy traffic, violence, crime, pollution, corruption and the sad quality of life in Delhi. About a year or two ago I think Canada was the answer as it is something you hear from literally any and everyone overseas.

I decided to apply for a Study permit which I would pursue and then fall into the bandwagon of all Indian students trying to figure out how to get PR or Citizenship or whatever over time.

However in the past few months I have been reading a LOT about how Canada is no longer an immigrants dream and how pretty much everything is stacked against them, how Canada wants to fleece them for all the money they can bring and invest in but give no job, no pr/citizenship or no security in return.


(EDIT : Wow I can't post links apparently.....)

Anyways google the following and hit the top searches :-

1. "dont make the mistake of migrating to canada" Please make sure to read the comments on page 10, or just go back once into the older comments and skim through them.

2. "macleans land of misfortune"

These are two of the links I can think of for right now, but there were more about a current students rant about living overseas and how it wasn't worth it.

The reason I am confused is because I don't have any Canadian educational experience though I have very short volunteer work internship experience of about 3 months in Canada previously(along with thankfully fantastic references).

Apparently most immigrants are stuck in jobs like Tim Hortons, McDonalds or driving cabs because they can't seem to get work in their line/stream because they want Canadian experience or Canadian undergrad qualifications. If this is true it would take me at least 2-3 years getting an Undergrad in Canada and then waiting to apply for a full time job.
If that's not enough another masters that is 2-3 years minimum.
That's a lot of money going out from my end without having the ability to work or earn anything in return for about 5 YEARS!

I understand this might sound a bit rushed or haphazard even but I'm way too confused and because of it stressed on what and how I should think about the same.


Would it be better to
1) take a big leap of faith and try to make it in Canada vs

2) trying to do the same in a European/Scandinavian country like Denmark where getting a job and the security to stay in the country might not be such a long miserable case of 4-6 years or

3) just a tier 2 more relaxed City like Goa or such in India. Which obviously is no Western Country but is still a relaxed place where I needn't have to make crazy investments into education or anything else, I keep my money and time and just work for a good comfortable life from Day 1.


Currently because of my lack of work experience(because I work as a freelancer and not for a company) I don't have enough points to apply for the Express Entry program and by my future predictions it would take me 3-5 years to be able to get the points to apply for the same, and that too just barely. That's another factor that isn't very comforting for me either. I'm 27 right now and have an undergrad in Engineering from India but I have long since switched my career to Health, Sports and Fitness. This is the reason why I don't have an undergrad in my current field of work (I have a ton of certifications though, one of which is very highly reputed and recognized world over, most of the times I can use it to get work or get my foot in through the door.)

 

[thestunner316]

well for every 10 success stories, there will be atleast 1-2 stories of failure... thats just normal...

most people who have failed or hate migration is becoz they do not realise how hard it is to start off with, nothing is a piece of cake... i mean for god's sake most guys around 80% cant even cook for themselves, they think $100/hr jobs are lying on the street and all you need to do is pickup jobs like fruits lying on the ground... reality is farrrr different... what you have not even considered is the weather... the weather is ridiculously harsh for 6-8 months of the year...

but there are people who survive, who have thrived there... like they say "paid their dues" thats what they have done... worked odd jobs for several months to survive, networked, did a lot of research and slowly climbed up the ladder... most importantly they had a never say die attitude and were willing to work really hard in the first few years till they established themselves...

one other thing which you need to remember is you are immigrating for your childrens sake really... by the time you come, establish yourself, buy a house, have some savings you will be much closer to retirement age.. its your kids who benefit the most... free education, free healthcare... people are genuinely nice there (most of them anyway)

your case is different... you should do a lot of research before you go, becoz it looks like you will need to stay there 4-5 years atleast (stuides plus work experience) to have a decent score on the EE system and apply for PR... there is no guarantee that EE system will still be there after 5 years, a lot of things would have changed... its upto you really... just remember - life there is a struggle, you think delhi is tough, wait till you go there..

canada btw is possibly the easiest country to migrate to... (currently atleast) and their govt is more than willing to accomodate more and more and more people to grow their economy...

final word - you need to remove this mentality of "working in tim hortons/mcdonalds/cab driving" being a low class job... us Indians are just spoilt that way.. and complain when we even have a job... oh well.. thats us...

 

[pacificislander]

Canada is not a guarantee of a good life. It still depends on you. There are many success stories in Canada as much as what you have in your country. But many people choose Canada and try their luck. Some might make their dreams come true but not everyone is the same.

 

[varunnarayan]

My undergraduate friend obtained his PR right after he graduated without a PGWP. I, On the other hand, had to apply for PGWP but got a good job 1 month in.

 

[xpressentry]

People behind the success stories are busy chasing their dreams and would not brag about their success to appear on a google search.
People behind unsuccessful stories have too much time at hand to rant about their misfortune. They could put that time to better use. I don't know what their motive could be, whether it is to tell the truth or to discourage others from coming.

I am an Indian from a big city and currently living in the UK. UK and European countries have closed it's doors to non-Europeans because of EU free movement. You need an employer to sponsor a work visa. To sponsor a work visa, they have to prove that they did not find anyone within the EU to do the job. The employer would need to prove that your skills is so special and rare that nobody from 28 countries could do your job. With the refugee crisis, people are flocking to Europe with their ultimate aim to get into the UK.

You could consider going to Goa and relaxing there as Goa is now empty. Goan who were born in Goa before 1961 or Goans whose parents and grandparents who were born in Goa before 1961 have applied for Portuguese passports and are now in the UK doing odd jobs. Alternatively, if you, your parents or grandparents were born in Goa before 1961 you could apply for Portuguese citizenship. If you, your parents or grandparents were born in in Daman and Diu or Pondicherry before 1947, you could apply for French citizenship.

I have never visited Canada before but I am aiming for permanent residence hoping for a life better than India or the UK. There are certain comforts and conveniences available in the western world that is not available or won't be available in India in the near future. I have moved from India to the UK and started all over. My Indian experience was not considered in the UK and I would not even expect Canada to consider my Indian experience. I do hope my British experience would be considered in Canada but there is no guarantee as local experience is more valuable as compared to international experience. I may have to start in Canada a step or 2 lower than where I am now and I don't expect myself to be a millionaire overnight but I know it will take about 1 or 2 years to learn about the new country, people, culture and gain local work experience to get to where I am now.

 

[newuxtreme]

Thanks for replying to the guys who have already.

Here are a few further details about myself that might be useful to paint a better picture.

**Mini-Background info**

I'm 27 right now and have an undergrad in Engineering from India but I have long since switched my career to Health, Sports and Fitness. This is the reason why I don't have an undergrad in my current field of work (I have a ton of certifications though, one of which is very highly reputed and recognized world over, most of the times I can use it to get work or get my foot in through the door.)


(I have work experience, internships etc to show in a job interview, which would work in my favour, but I don't have it to show for my Express Entry point system, since self employed/internship work doesn't count for experience in it)


I am not 'settled' in India yet, because that can be done anywhere in my profession and doesn't require me to be locked down. People need my help in getting healthier, fitter etc etc. This sort of practice can be reset and will be irrespective of whether I go to Canada or Goa or wherever. What I am confused about however is whether it's worth it to attempt living in Canada if there are so many insecurities (as I can see them right now) or if I am just misinformed about the same.


Can some of the recent immigrants or those who know of recent immigrants(past 5 years) let me know how easy/hard it is to find work, apply for PR or Citizenship and their success rates/advice ESPECIALLY if you don't have previous work experience in your arsenal already?

What I am looking for : -

A nice and simple but secure, comfortable life.

By this I don't mean I want to have 100s of $ to spend everyday, I really don't care that much about money or how much I make.
But life should be fun and comfortable to live, even if you do work at a Tim Horton/McD or whatever you should be able to make enough to comfortably get a single room or perhaps a single room apt, enough to get half decent food (not eat out a lot everyday), pay for the internet and such and not have to slog so much at work that you are working 9-12 hour shifts with no life to live.

If all you do is eat sleep work repeat what kind of life is that worth living even if it is in a beautiful country like Canada.

Fear of getting 'thrown out'

So if I do get a job at a McD/Tim or preferably and hopefully in my field say as a Personal Trainer or Strength Coach or so, would these jobs count for my time spent in Canada and work experience in Canada?
Would I still be kicked out if all I do for a few years after doing my PG diploma course is work at smaller jobs like these? Or am I allowed to work in jobs like these and ask for extensions to stay etc.

Sorry I am just a little too confused and unaware about these issues. Reading so many negative posts and weird discussions from a few people overseas that are working odd jobs that do or don't help them add points to their Express Entry Program makes everything very confusing and scary.

 

[talkto_vinay]

OP, please check PM & reply there

 

[Papa Bomboy]

@newuxtreme,

I think lots of people have debunked your fears a bit so I won't say much.

If you go into a new environment you will struggle a bit before you settle. That's a fact.

Each immigrant's experience is different that's for sure.

The Ukrainians that settled in the Prairies were given land to farm when they first arrived in Canada. Nothing is free, you will have to earn it and there are lots of success stories all over Canada.

If you expect everything to be handed down to you then you will be left whining like others. Canada has lots of opportunities and if you want it, you will have to come and get it.

Most immigrants are not stuck in the jobs you listed below. The fact that they said

"most"

should be your first clue.

Apparently most immigrants are stuck in jobs like Tim Hortons, McDonalds or driving cabs

 

[ifeedly]

This was a pretty interesting post for one simple reason, you have experienced Canada and realize that Canada does not need anybody its the people who need Canada.

Couple things you can think about:

1) Quality of life: It does not mean having loads of money but having peaceful life and being able to afford simple pleasures of life "Bare necessities, simple bare necessities ; Jungle book" working in entry level jobs is a fact of life in Canada.

2) Becoming successful in Canada: Look at it this way - say, you are an immigrant and you were successful in coming to Canada and Canada will actually offer you the option to work in entry level position to manage your life at a comfortable level where there is food on table and peace in mind. You want to move beyond this state then you must compete and prove yourself worthy of the jobs that are offered to people who were born and brought up here. Unless you can compete with the talent here the chances of you getting that job are pretty slim. Language is one of the major barrier, you should prepare yourself to be in a leadership position by being able to speak better than the workforce you are going to manage.

3) About the general state of affairs in Delhi: it is the way it is because it has been that way always, with the population equivalent of entire Canadian population living in one city (Delhi) what can you expect? If you look carefully enough and average it out on per individual basis then you wont find much difference in crime etc between Delhi and Canada. Yes people's attitude and rampant corruption is something but then again if you are born and brought up there then its a known and defined enemy that actually poses low level of threat as compared to jumping into a totally different culture. (YES, Canadian culture is totally different. Most indians always complain about the problems they faced at the hands of Indians here)

4) What is the most frustrating thing for an immigrant: the entire focus was on leaving the parent country however the quality of life also means social circle which you will find hard pressed to have here. Yes you are going to make friends but hey will not be the same you are accustomed to as the cultural gap is pretty significant.

5) If you are not able to score in express entry, trust me its Canadian way of saying that there are enough people already to do what you propose. Even people who score awesome in Express entry struggle very hard to reach somewhere beyond the basic jobs.

6) If you are successful in your current field then focus on India because thats where people can afford more than what a normal Canadian is able to afford. Part of the reason is that Indians love luxury whereas in Canada life is very simple and peaceful. Mostly nobody bothers about what car their neighbour has or which Gym they go to.
Jobs for international applicants are difficult to get and study though seems long drawn is currently the best option if you do not qualify through Express entry or investment streams.
Although it may sound funny but Canada does have unemployment rate that currently sits at about 6-7 percent(people with no job) and no, not all of those are people who dont wanna do job but simply put the global economic downturn has affected Canada.

7) Personally speaking I find Canada peaceful and fun place to actually have a family and live a good life (again I am not talking about money). I am talking about the love and affection and summer evenings spent with family and long walks and weekend trips to the lakeshore or National parks And all these privileges are hard earned by working like crazy and then coming home to a life. First things that successful immigrants adopt is Canadian culture and the understanding that career is a means to have a life not vice-versa, and Canada though difficult to understand initially, is like a strict parent who will always support you and have a place for you at dinner table.

 

[kum9999]

I'm asking because I am getting very confused about what I should be doing.
I want to get away from the crazy traffic, violence, crime, pollution, corruption and the sad quality of life in Delhi. About a year or two ago I think Canada was the answer as it is something you hear from literally any and everyone overseas.

I decided to apply for a Study permit which I would pursue and then fall into the bandwagon of all Indian students trying to figure out how to get PR or Citizenship or whatever over time.

However in the past few months I have been reading a LOT about how Canada is no longer an immigrants dream and how pretty much everything is stacked against them, how Canada wants to fleece them for all the money they can bring and invest in but give no job, no pr/citizenship or no security in return.


(EDIT : Wow I can't post links apparently.....)

Anyways google the following and hit the top searches :-

1. "dont make the mistake of migrating to canada" Please make sure to read the comments on page 10, or just go back once into the older comments and skim through them.

2. "macleans land of misfortune"

These are two of the links I can think of for right now, but there were more about a current students rant about living overseas and how it wasn't worth it.

The reason I am confused is because I don't have any Canadian educational experience though I have very short volunteer work internship experience of about 3 months in Canada previously(along with thankfully fantastic references).

Apparently most immigrants are stuck in jobs like Tim Hortons, McDonalds or driving cabs because they can't seem to get work in their line/stream because they want Canadian experience or Canadian undergrad qualifications. If this is true it would take me at least 2-3 years getting an Undergrad in Canada and then waiting to apply for a full time job.
If that's not enough another masters that is 2-3 years minimum.
That's a lot of money going out from my end without having the ability to work or earn anything in return for about 5 YEARS!

I understand this might sound a bit rushed or haphazard even but I'm way too confused and because of it stressed on what and how I should think about the same.


Would it be better to
1) take a big leap of faith and try to make it in Canada vs

2) trying to do the same in a European/Scandinavian country like Denmark where getting a job and the security to stay in the country might not be such a long miserable case of 4-6 years or

3) just a tier 2 more relaxed City like Goa or such in India. Which obviously is no Western Country but is still a relaxed place where I needn't have to make crazy investments into education or anything else, I keep my money and time and just work for a good comfortable life from Day 1.


Currently because of my lack of work experience(because I work as a freelancer and not for a company) I don't have enough points to apply for the Express Entry program and by my future predictions it would take me 3-5 years to be able to get the points to apply for the same, and that too just barely. That's another factor that isn't very comforting for me either. I'm 27 right now and have an undergrad in Engineering from India but I have long since switched my career to Health, Sports and Fitness. This is the reason why I don't have an undergrad in my current field of work (I have a ton of certifications though, one of which is very highly reputed and recognized world over, most of the times I can use it to get work or get my foot in through the door.)

Avoid Canada, unless u r not at all doing good in India. If u r willing to slog doing odd jos, living in cheap basement apartment surving the cold then u can try coming, sucess are vey fes and even if u land in a job in ur field u will propably save very less.

And living in basement units in Canada's winters is not easy. Many cases where there are immigrants from India who became depressed and gone mad.

 

[harvijay1001]

Avoid Canada, unless u r not at all doing good in India. If u r willing to slog doing odd jos, living in cheap basement apartment surving the cold then u can try coming, sucess are vey fes and even if u land in a job in ur field u will propably save very less.

And living in basement units in Canada's winters is not easy. Many cases where there are immigrants from India who became depressed and gone mad.

And here I present to you the flipside of this story:

1. Did not avoid Canada
2. Was doing extremely well in India. Financially earning more than some people who work in Canada with a monthly take home of about 2000$. But moved because extremely unhappy and dissatisfied with life and culture in India. (It isn't a surprise that India is now #122 on happiness rankings list)
3. Came here and one month later started working part-time for a startup company along with my full-time master's degree. The job is challenging but has it's perks (FREE FOOD)
4. Living in a nice and cozy apartment in a nice and vibrant neighbourhood of Montreal
5. Enjoying the cold thanks to proper heating, a good point zero jacket and a pair of boots. Some common sense is essential here (Don't stand in the way of a snow clearing truck for example)
6. Meeting lots of people who have got full time job offers even before completing their degree. Obviously no one is giving you jobs in marketing when they can get a Canadian to do it. So choice of field does matter tbh.
7. About the depression thing, this is true. People in India are used to living in very tight knit communities where as life here is more individualistic. The loneliness gets to some. A little smiling, going out and meeting new people and not living in ghettos can help with that

This is what my experience has been so far.

I guess the differentiating factor is the attitude. The rest is left for your interpretation

EDIT: One more thing, there is NOTHING wrong with working at Tim Hortons, or retail or in flipping burgers. And it pays you enough to lead a comfortable life in which you won't go hungry. Will you be able to afford that BMW and live in a mansion? No. But you still might be content with your life if you're not a whiny *censored word*

 

[thestunner316]

And here I present to you the flipside of this story:

1. Did not avoid Canada
2. Was doing extremely well in India. Financially earning more than some people who work in Canada with a monthly take home of about 2000$. But moved because extremely unhappy and dissatisfied with life and culture in India. (It isn't a surprise that India is now #122 on happiness rankings list)
3. Came here and one month later started working part-time for a startup company along with my full-time master's degree. The job is challenging but has it's perks (FREE FOOD)
4. Living in a nice and cozy apartment in a nice and vibrant neighbourhood of Montreal
5. Enjoying the cold thanks to proper heating, a good point zero jacket and a pair of boots. Some common sense is essential here (Don't stand in the way of a snow clearing truck for example)
6. Meeting lots of people who have got full time job offers even before completing their degree. Obviously no one is giving you jobs in marketing when they can get a Canadian to do it. So choice of field does matter tbh.
7. About the depression thing, this is true. People in India are used to living in very tight knit communities where as life here is more individualistic. The loneliness gets to some. A little smiling, going out and meeting new people and not living in ghettos can help with that

This is what my experience has been so far.

I guess the differentiating factor is the attitude. The rest is left for your interpretation

EDIT: One more thing, there is NOTHING wrong with working at Tim Hortons, or retail or in flipping burgers. And it pays you enough to lead a comfortable life in which you won't go hungry. Will you be able to afford that BMW and live in a mansion? No. But you still might be content with your life if you're not a whiny *censored word*

ha ha ha... +1 to you mate... nicely written.

going mad in basement... maybe they should try a different basement, who knows it might help...

 

[AmritSinghAujla1981]

There is a VERY good Chance you will be doing TRUCKING!

Students come here and spend in their first year:
1500.00 dollars for plane ticket.
School fees are 8000.00 per semester, there goes 16,000 dollars PER YEAR
Food is gonna cost you 200.00 a month, unless you eat at gudwara for free and then get kicked out.
Rent is gonna cost you $400.00 a month when your living with 3 to 6 people in a basement PLUS YOU SHARE EXPENSE FOR HEAT, WATER, TAX
Your phone is gonna cost you $30.00 a month for a cheap phone and cheap internet

THIS IS NOT INCLUDING EATING OUT, GOING OUT, BUYING CLOTHES, or BUYING A BED, OR FURNITURE, OR ANYTHING

Then job, your not gonna get a high paying job in canada when your student, you can only work 30 hours a week. Most indian business will hire you for 8.00 an hour when the minimum rate is 15.00 an hour. Your gonna end up doing security night shift, in CASH job making 15.00 an hour for 10 hours, from 9pm to 9am everyday.

Then your gonna need a car, which will cost you $10,000 dollars to buy, and gas will cost you $300.00 a month, and SINCE YOUR NOT A CANADIAN, you will get hire insurance, around $4000.00 a year(ALOT), average canadian pays $1800.00 a year. IF you buy your car on loan, your gonna pay $200.00 a month for it plus interest.

Then you have to open a bank account, cost you $6.00 a month

Everyone who buys a house here for 800,000 or 500,000 has to get a loan, because you can buy a house with 5 percent down, but you must be lot of home insurance, if you put 20 percent down you dont pay home insurance. Now you have a house on loan, and the bills go higher = MORTGAGE + HOUSE TAX(average 3000-6000 a year) + hydro + water + gas + maintenance. To buy the house you pay 5% fee for real estate buy/sell.

When you buy a house, its gonna cost you $3000.00 a month!! Why do you think no indians from Canada go to india for 3 months or 5 months? Because they have to work like dog to pay off the bills every month. You dont pay bills, Canada TAKES YOUR HOUSE and sues you, puts lien on your house.

IF your coming for Engineering, Science, IT, management, MBA, CFA, CAIA, CPA, anything business, your not gonna find anything, absolutely zero, because Canada is all blue collar work all hand work, dog work. But lot of money


Canada is robbing students, and then make you stuck here. Your gonna sit in canada in shit weather for 6 months of the year for the rest of your life.

Make money in Canada and Live in India. Don't make same mistake as everyone here.

Dont believe indians that born in CAnada, they may look indian, and talk punjabi, but they are not indian, they are all selfish, they have no love, care for money, care for themselves, do not care for mom and dad and have ZERO indian values.

You will NEVER see Canada born indians with Indian born indians.


A thali at brothers dhaba would cost 200 rupees, will feed boyfriend and girlfriend full and lassi for 40 rupees each. While mcdonalds in canada for ONE PERSON, shit food will cost you 500 rupees. At a big restaurant in canada, for two people, expect to pay 2000 rupees for two people, plus TAX.

Everyone in Canada is rich when they come to India!! HAHAHAHA, but Every Canadian is poor when they live in Canada!!

EXPECT TO SPEND 16 LAKH RUPEES PER YEAR WHILE IN CANADA TRYING TO GET PR.

ONCE YOU GET PR, YOU WILL SPEND 8 LAKH A YEAR but you will work shit odd jobs and not make enough money to buy house. You will rent for 5 years until you save up money for downpayment and loan to buy house.

ONCE YOU BUY HOUSE, EXPECT TO SPEND 16LAKH AGAIN! But house prices go up, in 10 to 15 years, maybe 4 years, but you will work like dog.

 

[harvijay1001]

Oh lord so many fallacies where to begin! But let's debunk some of your fear-mongering....

There is a VERY good Chance you will be doing TRUCKING!

Students come here and spend in their first year:
1500.00 dollars for plane ticket. True
School fees are 8000.00 per semester, there goes 16,000 dollars PER YEAR
That is a lot for just a regular generic business diploma. Invest the same in a university degree or a useful high paying skilled trade. 32k CAD for master's degree seems pretty reasonable as compared to US and Australia. There are cheaper universities btw.
Food is gonna cost you 200.00 a month, unless you eat at gudwara for free and then get kicked out.
Never heard of people getting kicked out of Gurudwara's. Seems to be kind of against the spirit of that religion itself. Maybe the rules have changed since I don't keep up with religion being a atheist.
Rent is gonna cost you $400.00 a month when your living with 3 to 6 people in a basement PLUS YOU SHARE EXPENSE FOR HEAT, WATER, TAX.
Well you could avoid Vancouver (or Surrey tbh) and Toronto (or Brampton, let's be honest). I pay 730$ a month for a huge 1 bedroom apartment utilities and internet included in Montreal.
Your phone is gonna cost you $30.00 a month for a cheap phone and cheap internet
Phone plans are expensive no doubt. Hopefully this will change in the future.
THIS IS NOT INCLUDING EATING OUT, GOING OUT, BUYING CLOTHES, or BUYING A BED, OR FURNITURE, OR ANYTHING

Then job, your not gonna get a high paying job in canada when your student, you can only work 30 hours a week. Most indian business will hire you for 8.00 an hour when the minimum rate is 15.00 an hour. Your gonna end up doing security night shift, in CASH job making 15.00 an hour for 10 hours, from 9pm to 9am everyday.
You can work 20 HOURS a week as a student. No need to do cash jobs. Invest in learning and speaking English properly and you will not be without a good job paying at least minimum wage (14$ in Ontario, 12$ in Quebec) even in Montreal where French is supposedly mandatory.

Then your gonna need a car, which will cost you $10,000 dollars to buy, and gas will cost you $300.00 a month, and SINCE YOUR NOT A CANADIAN, you will get hire insurance, around $4000.00 a year(ALOT), average canadian pays $1800.00 a year. IF you buy your car on loan, your gonna pay $200.00 a month for it plus interest.
Again, this is only applicable to suburban Toronto and it's stupid insurance market (Capitalism yo). Meanwhile, Quebec has insurance rates that can be as low as 1/5th as much in Ontario. And you don't need a car if you live in the city, that's only required if you live in Suburbia or want to drive Uber or work deliveries.

Then you have to open a bank account, cost you $6.00 a month.
Nope, student bank accounts don't have a fee in either Scotia or TD who I bank with

Everyone who buys a house here for 800,000 or 500,000 has to get a loan, because you can buy a house with 5 percent down, but you must be lot of home insurance, if you put 20 percent down you dont pay home insurance. Now you have a house on loan, and the bills go higher = MORTGAGE + HOUSE TAX(average 3000-6000 a year) + hydro + water + gas + maintenance. To buy the house you pay 5% fee for real estate buy/sell. You know you don't have to buy in a seller's market. You could just rent. Again, this situation is only applicable to Toronto and Vancouver, everywhere else the situation hasn't spun out of control YET.

When you buy a house, its gonna cost you $3000.00 a month!! Why do you think no indians from Canada go to india for 3 months or 5 months? Because they have to work like dog to pay off the bills every month. You dont pay bills, Canada TAKES YOUR HOUSE and sues you, puts lien on your house. Live Who Da Fack has that much time in their lives to go spend 3-5 months in India? :O

IF your coming for Engineering, Science, IT, management, MBA, CFA, CAIA, CPA, anything business, your not gonna find anything, absolutely zero, because Canada is all blue collar work all hand work, dog work. But lot of money.
Again not actually based on facts especially in STEM fields. The evidence to this is mostly anecdotal. Regulated professions (CFA, CAIA and CPA) are a different matter altogether.


Canada is robbing students, and then make you stuck here. Your gonna sit in canada in shit weather for 6 months of the year for the rest of your life. Or you could put on your jacket and boots and go ice skating/snowboarding/skiing which is an absolute delight. Lots of bonfire festivals in the winter too.

Make money in Canada and Live in India. Don't make same mistake as everyone here.
Well everyone doesn't nickel and dime everything. Everybody has different priorities in life. For some it's money, for others it may be about living rather than existing

Dont believe indians that born in CAnada, they may look indian, and talk punjabi, but they are not indian, they are all selfish, they have no love, care for money, care for themselves, do not care for mom and dad and have ZERO indian values.

You will NEVER see Canada born indians with Indian born indians.


A thali at brothers dhaba would cost 200 rupees, will feed boyfriend and girlfriend full and lassi for 40 rupees each. While mcdonalds in canada for ONE PERSON, shit food will cost you 500 rupees. At a big restaurant in canada, for two people, expect to pay 2000 rupees for two people, plus TAX.

Everyone in Canada is rich when they come to India!! HAHAHAHA, but Every Canadian is poor when they live in Canada!!

EXPECT TO SPEND 16 LAKH RUPEES PER YEAR WHILE IN CANADA TRYING TO GET PR.

ONCE YOU GET PR, YOU WILL SPEND 8 LAKH A YEAR but you will work shit odd jobs and not make enough money to buy house. You will rent for 5 years until you save up money for downpayment and loan to buy house.

ONCE YOU BUY HOUSE, EXPECT TO SPEND 16LAKH AGAIN! But house prices go up, in 10 to 15 years, maybe 4 years, but you will work like dog.

 

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There is a VERY good Chance you will be doing TRUCKING!

Students come here and spend in their first year:
1500.00 dollars for plane ticket.
School fees are 8000.00 per semester, there goes 16,000 dollars PER YEAR
Food is gonna cost you 200.00 a month, unless you eat at gudwara for free and then get kicked out.
Rent is gonna cost you $400.00 a month when your living with 3 to 6 people in a basement PLUS YOU SHARE EXPENSE FOR HEAT, WATER, TAX
Your phone is gonna cost you $30.00 a month for a cheap phone and cheap internet

THIS IS NOT INCLUDING EATING OUT, GOING OUT, BUYING CLOTHES, or BUYING A BED, OR FURNITURE, OR ANYTHING

Then job, your not gonna get a high paying job in canada when your student, you can only work 30 hours a week. Most indian business will hire you for 8.00 an hour when the minimum rate is 15.00 an hour. Your gonna end up doing security night shift, in CASH job making 15.00 an hour for 10 hours, from 9pm to 9am everyday.

Then your gonna need a car, which will cost you $10,000 dollars to buy, and gas will cost you $300.00 a month, and SINCE YOUR NOT A CANADIAN, you will get hire insurance, around $4000.00 a year(ALOT), average canadian pays $1800.00 a year. IF you buy your car on loan, your gonna pay $200.00 a month for it plus interest.

Then you have to open a bank account, cost you $6.00 a month

Everyone who buys a house here for 800,000 or 500,000 has to get a loan, because you can buy a house with 5 percent down, but you must be lot of home insurance, if you put 20 percent down you dont pay home insurance. Now you have a house on loan, and the bills go higher = MORTGAGE + HOUSE TAX(average 3000-6000 a year) + hydro + water + gas + maintenance. To buy the house you pay 5% fee for real estate buy/sell.

When you buy a house, its gonna cost you $3000.00 a month!! Why do you think no indians from Canada go to india for 3 months or 5 months? Because they have to work like dog to pay off the bills every month. You dont pay bills, Canada TAKES YOUR HOUSE and sues you, puts lien on your house.

IF your coming for Engineering, Science, IT, management, MBA, CFA, CAIA, CPA, anything business, your not gonna find anything, absolutely zero, because Canada is all blue collar work all hand work, dog work. But lot of money


Canada is robbing students, and then make you stuck here. Your gonna sit in canada in shit weather for 6 months of the year for the rest of your life.

Make money in Canada and Live in India. Don't make same mistake as everyone here.

Dont believe indians that born in CAnada, they may look indian, and talk punjabi, but they are not indian, they are all selfish, they have no love, care for money, care for themselves, do not care for mom and dad and have ZERO indian values.

You will NEVER see Canada born indians with Indian born indians.


A thali at brothers dhaba would cost 200 rupees, will feed boyfriend and girlfriend full and lassi for 40 rupees each. While mcdonalds in canada for ONE PERSON, shit food will cost you 500 rupees. At a big restaurant in canada, for two people, expect to pay 2000 rupees for two people, plus TAX.

Everyone in Canada is rich when they come to India!! HAHAHAHA, but Every Canadian is poor when they live in Canada!!

EXPECT TO SPEND 16 LAKH RUPEES PER YEAR WHILE IN CANADA TRYING TO GET PR.

ONCE YOU GET PR, YOU WILL SPEND 8 LAKH A YEAR but you will work shit odd jobs and not make enough money to buy house. You will rent for 5 years until you save up money for downpayment and loan to buy house.

ONCE YOU BUY HOUSE, EXPECT TO SPEND 16LAKH AGAIN! But house prices go up, in 10 to 15 years, maybe 4 years, but you will work like dog.

I may sound rude, but excuse me, this is a typical Maslow's hammer syndrome - "To a guy with a hammer everything looks like a nail".

The way you have articulated your post, for sure your IELTS score would have been around band-5 and most probably you came down via some agent. This speaks volume for your post. You need to get out of your 'Pendu' myopic viewpoint and look at the bigger picture.

An average Engineering graduate from India knows how to create a decent linkedin profile, write some research papers, whitepapers, attend few bootcamps, meetups, do networking and land up in a decent job.

Check out the glassdoor link below for the jobs available. If you have the right skill-set and aptitude, then you will get through.
https://www.glassdoor.co.in/Job/canada-big-data-engineer-jobs-SRCH_IL.0,6_IN3_KO7,24.htm

Moreover, as a working professional I know that many of the req's in my company gets filled via reference and not from job portals. So if I have to start looking for a job elsewhere, I know that I have to build network to land up in a job I am looking for.

May I ask, how often do you update your resume, how often do you customize your cover letter before you send out applications, how much time you spend studying the company's profile, their business, their roadmap etc... before sending your resume, how much time you spend on improving communication skills, how much time you spend on improving your skillset by enrolling in some online tutorials, say coursera.

Your post typically revolves around how to some how get PR and rant about the expenditures, which are not letting you save enough. Probably, nobody told you that you can't become rich by savings. One should earn to spend & live. If you are earning to hoard then you will only continue to exist and that too in fear. Such insecurities will only create unhappy societies.

Any typical Indian kid will say that his hobby is "Collecting Stamps", on the other hand the hobbies of kids here revolve around SpaceX, Android Apps, Astronomical Science, Robotics etc...

To everyone else out there, I would say that "Come out and live, even if you have to live for one day". Neither the failures are forever and nor do the success is permanent. Enjoy the journey and goal is secondary. I neither see glass half empty and nor do see it half full. I just drink whatever quantity it is in there and again refill it with the ability I possess.

God bless and good luck !