Join who are intra-company transfers in Canada and applying under CEC

[Omshri]

As everyone knows for intra-company transfer no LMO is required and work permits are granted. However, on work permit you can see occupation. Does this occupation tied to any NOC?

 

[jsm0085]

As everyone knows for intra-company transfer no LMO is required and work permits are granted. However, on work permit you can see occupation. Does this occupation tied to any NOC?

Correct. If you do a search on the HRSDC website you will be able to locate the NOC of the title mentioned on your permit. Your job title can be different, but the NOC cannot.

 

[Omshri]

There is no concept of NOC as per my understanding. When we file our application for work permit we provide jobs and responsibilities. Officer can give you any occupation on your work permit as he thinks of as per matching jobs and responsibilities, which are provided in your WP application. However, they can do the mistake as well as they are not expertise to put your WP under correct Title/NOC

 

[jsm0085]

There is no concept of NOC as per my understanding. When we file our application for work permit we provide jobs and responsibilities. Officer can give you any occupation on your work permit as he thinks of as per matching jobs and responsibilities, which are provided in your WP application. However, they can do the mistake as well as they are not expertise to put your WP under correct Title/NOC

You are on a closed work permit. The occupation mentioned on your work permit is the title of the associated NOC. That is the NOC you will need to use when you apply for PR.

 

[Omshri]

Thanks, my occupation is showing as “Software and COMP Sys Evaluators” which is NOC 2283
However, in remarks it has mentioned INTRA company transfer retained status as a System administrator, which is NOC 2281

Which NOC I should need to use in my PR application?

 

[jsm0085]

Thanks, my occupation is showing as “Software and COMP Sys Evaluators” which is NOC 2283
However, in remarks it has mentioned INTRA company transfer retained status as a System administrator, which is NOC 2281

Which NOC I should need to use in my PR application?

You need to go with the one associated with your work permit. Your actual title doesn't matter as far as NOC's are concerned. Same advice as above!

 

[beasty.boy]

Thanks, my occupation is showing as “Software and COMP Sys Evaluators” which is NOC 2283
However, in remarks it has mentioned INTRA company transfer retained status as a System administrator, which is NOC 2281

Which NOC I should need to use in my PR application?

Omshri, What do you actually do? Your job responsibility is associated with which NOC?

 

[Omshri]

In True, I am System Administrator. My job responsiblites matches to 2281 as well some for 2283

 

[beasty.boy]

I'm in the same situation as you. The offer letter from my company's Canada operations mentioned a specific position (say ABC), the letter from my company to the regional Canadian Consulate mentioned the same position, but then when I landed in Canada 2 years back something interesting happened at the airport immigration counter. I was taken to an officer who looked at the documentation & said "so, your position says you are ABC, but I don't have anything matching that", then noticed my company name and asked "Do you work with computers?". I nodded & then when I got my closed work permit (CWP), I saw that my job title was "Computer Systems Analyst". This goes to prove that the immigration officer tries to help you, but he is not the best person to translate what is in the documentation to the right NOC job title. To make things worse, my CWP also mentioned that I cannot work in a job other than what was mentioned. I was concerned, but then my company & my colleagues (whose CWP had the same problem) said it was common for that mismatch & as long as I have the right documentation to prove otherwise I should be fine.

I thought it was just an opinion until I saw my renewed work permit for the second year. My job title still had 'Computer Systems Analyst', but Remarks section at the bottom read "Intracompany Transferee - Specialized Knowledge" followed by my actual job title ABC which means there was a way to indicate what I'm actually doing, but for whatever reason they could not alter the job title itself.

After completing 2 years, I managed to get a reference letter from my company for my actual job title ABC. When I decided to apply for PR, I went back to my colleagues who had previously applied for PR & asked if having a different job title in their work permit was a problem. Many of them have been approved & currently hold a PR. For those who have been rejected, it was for reasons other than having a different title in the work permit. Some others have passed eligibility (according to GCMS) and waiting for medicals. As for me, I've applied & I'm awaiting a decision - so, I can't tell from personal experience. I'd say you don't have to worry about what is in the work permit as long as you can prove the role you came for & the role you have been performing matches the responsibilities for the NOC code mentioned in your application. All your documentation including your reference letter should prove that. So far, I have searched enough & not found any official material that supports or contradicts the above.

Again, please keep in mind that I'm still awaiting a decision (which I won't know until Nov or Dec this year) & can't tell about my personal experience until I get the decision from CIC. It is up to you to make an informed choice with what you have. All the best!

 

[jsm0085]

I'm in the same situation as you. The offer letter from my company's Canada operations mentioned a specific position (say ABC), the letter from my company to the regional Canadian Consulate mentioned the same position, but then when I landed in Canada 2 years back something interesting happened at the airport immigration counter. I was taken to an officer who looked at the documentation & said "so, your position says you are ABC, but I don't have anything matching that", then noticed my company name and asked "Do you work with computers?". I nodded & then when I got my closed work permit (CWP), I saw that my job title was "Computer Systems Analyst". This goes to prove that the immigration office tries to help you, but he is not the best person to translate what is in the documentation to the right NOC job title. To make things worse, my CWP also mentioned that I cannot work in a job other than what was mentioned. I was concerned, but then my company & my colleagues (whose CWP had the same problem) said it was common for that mismatch & as long as I have the right documentation to prove otherwise I should be fine.

I believe it was just an opinion until I saw my renewed work permit for the second year. My job title still had 'Computer Systems Analyst', but Remarks section at the bottom read "Intracompany Transferee - Specialized Knowledge" followed by my actual job title ABC which means there was a way to indicate what I'm actually doing, but for whatever reason they could not alter the job title itself.

After completing 2 years, I managed to get a reference letter from my company for my actual job title ABC. When I decided to apply for PR, I went back to my colleagues who had previously applied for PR & asked if having a different job title in their work permit was a problem. Many of them have been approved & currently hold a PR. For those who have been rejected, it was for reasons other than having a different title in the work permit. Some others have passed eligibility (according to GCMS) and waiting for medicals. As for me, I've applied & I'm awaiting a decision - so, I can't tell from personal experience. I'd say you don't have to worry about what is in the work permit as long as you can prove the role you came for & the role you have been performing matches the responsibilities for the NOC code mentioned in your application. All your documentation including your reference letter should prove that. So far, I have searched enough & not found any official material that supports or contradicts the above.

Again, please keep in mind that I'm still awaiting a decision (which I won't know until Nov or Dec this year) & can't tell about my personal experience until I get the decision from CIC. It is up to you to make an informed choice with what you have. All the best!

You shouldn't have done this. The "title" on your work permit is the NOC code "title". They expect your actual job title to be different from this...

The border officers have to find an NOC that best matches your duties - it's not about matching titles.

 

[beasty.boy]

You shouldn't have done this. The "title" on your work permit is the NOC code "title". They expect your actual job title to be different from this...

The border officers have to find an NOC that best matches your duties - it's not about matching titles.

I agree. In an ideal world, I'd expect the border officer to go through the documentation & assign the right 'title' matching my duties. In my case (& many of my colleagues), we had been given random occupations in our work permits which were later corrected only in the 'Remarks' section. Problem is, my actual job responsibilities are quite different to the Occupation mentioned in the CWP.

I had 2 choices here
1. Either put the same title as my WP for the NOC code in my application & submit a reference letter that does not match that title.
2. Title (& NOC) in my application will be different than my WP, but my reference letter (& many other documentation I provided) will support that I actually performed the role.

I went with choice 2. It may be a gamble, but I did not have a better choice. Even if I'm rejected, I can't do anything different here.

 

[shibinp]

well, in my first WP, they put Web designers and developers (2175), and later all other WP it is just "Application Developer" which is some what matching with NOC 2174. But my real roles and resp. is more matching to 2174 and I had used that in my ref. letter, except one letter where it is just mentioned my designation/position as "IT Specialist". So I would say, my position or designation is "IT Specialist" (and it can have any fancy name for that matter, according to our company's wish) and my role is "Application Developer" which is an occupation identified in NOC.

Another funny thing is that, one of my friend, in IT profession, got his WP as "Mathematician" LOL

 

[jsm0085]

I agree. In an ideal world, I'd expect the border officer to go through the documentation & assign the right 'title' matching my duties. In my case (& many of my colleagues), we had been given random occupations in our work permits which were later corrected only in the 'Remarks' section. Problem is, my actual job responsibilities are quite different to the Occupation mentioned in the CWP.

I had 2 choices here
1. Either put the same title as my WP for the NOC code in my application & submit a reference letter that does not match that title.
2. Title (& NOC) in my application will be different than my WP, but my reference letter (& many other documentation I provided) will support that I actually performed the role.

I went with choice 2. It may be a gamble, but I did not have a better choice. Even if I'm rejected, I can't do anything different here.

You aren't understanding.

The job title isn't expected to match. What is meant to match is the NOC and duties.

Example:

My title is Ops Director.
My NOC is 0911 (title manufacturing managers)

The title doesn't matter - what matters is that my actual job duties match that of NOC 0911. The officer isn't supposed to match the title, they are supposed to match the duties to an appropriate NOC.

The "title" on your work permit is that of the NOC. your actual job title which is mentioned in the notes is YOUR actual job title. This is normal and expected. Applications should NOT change their job titles to match that of the NOC!

 

[shibinp]

The title doesn't matter - what matters is that my actual job duties match that of NOC 0911. The officer isn't supposed to match the title, they are supposed to match the duties to an appropriate NOC.

The "title" on your work permit is that of the NOC. your actual job title which is mentioned in the notes is YOUR actual job title. This is normal and expected. Applications should NOT change their job titles to match that of the NOC!

you are right (as per my understanding)

 

[jsm0085]

you are right (as per my understanding)

On this subject, I'm 100% correct. I'm in the same boat! To all future CEC applicants, DO NOT CHANGE YOUR JOB TITLE TO MATCH THAT OF THE NOC!