former refugee,newly naturalized refugee

[classyarabicman37]

Hello after a long period of hatdships . spending 8 years of canada after being a refugee ( based on religion not political) . i consider to return home after being naturalized last week. recently i am unemployed and dont wanna apply for welfare though its not even enough
so in my country i left beloved ones whom i miss and also got a house so no need to pay rent.
actually there are jobs too in accordance to my work experience here also wanna apply for driving license its pretty easier and cheap and is recognized in canada.

my question is it is okay now to return for extended period or time or its only a short visit.

thanks in advance for the active members though

 

[Naturgrl]

Hello after a long period of hatdships . spending 8 years of canada after being a refugee ( based on religion not political) . i consider to return home after being naturalized last week. recently i am unemployed and dont wanna apply for welfare though its not even enough
so in my country i left beloved ones whom i miss and also got a house so no need to pay rent.
actually there are jobs too in accordance to my work experience here also wanna apply for driving license its pretty easier and cheap and is recognized in canada.

my question is it is okay now to return for extended period or time or its only a short visit.

thanks in advance for the active members though

Are you a Canadian citizen now?

 

[classyarabicman37]

Are you a Canadian citizen now?

hi miss i hope you are fine
yes since 10 days

 

[scylla]

hi miss i hope you are fine
yes since 10 days

You are fine to travel to your home country.

 

[classyarabicman37]

You are fine to travel to your home country.

Hello hopefully everything is good
thank you for enlightening me.
i was worried after some commented in regards with screening at poe in airport as some members mentioned especially that i may want to settle down in my home country for extended periods because of my situation
bless you

 

[canuck78]

Hello hopefully everything is good
thank you for enlightening me.
i was worried after some commented in regards with screening at poe in airport as some members mentioned especially that i may want to settle down in my home country for extended periods because of my situation
bless you

Technically it is legal. That doesn’t mean there could be concerns that you misrepresented your need for asylum if you return to live in your home country as soon as you get citizenship especially for economic reasons. If you visit there is no issue. Probably not a high chance of IRCC pursuing this at the moment but that could change at any point especially with a change of government, change in sentiment around immigration, concern about fraud in the immigration system, etc. If you claimed asylum based on your life being in danger due to religious persecution it looks extremely suspicious if you are suddenly able to move back to your home country very soon after receiving citizenship. If it has taken 8 years to get citizenship you may not have had your asylum claim approved initially and appealed so there may have already been concern about your file. Sadly cases like yours undermines Canadians trust in the asylum system and in other asylum seekers whose lives are at risk in their home countries and may never be able to visit their home country and certainly not live there. It only takes one media report about a case like yours where a protected person moved back to their home country right after receiving citizenship to create public outrage of a system that is already being questioned. Reaction to volume of Canadians living in Lebanon with no ties to Canada and evacuation costs during the previous war in Lebanon changed immigration policy. Some has been reversed but that took over a decade. There is a global pushback going on surrounding immigration/asylum seekers, we are almost guaranteed a conservative majority government in Canada soon, etc. so people need to consider this while making decisions. If you are happy to live the rest of your life in your home country then no issue but if you don’t I would be cautious. If you worked for IRCC/IRB would it raise concerns for you about misrepresentation in an asylum claim if a protected person was suddenly safe to live in their home country right after receiving Canadian citizenship? This is especially the case if there has been no major changes in country conditions?

 

[classyarabicman37]

Technically it is legal. That doesn’t mean there could be concerns that you misrepresented your need for asylum if you return to live in your home country as soon as you get citizenship especially for economic reasons. If you visit there is no issue. Probably not a high chance of IRCC pursuing this at the moment but that could change at any point especially with a change of government, change in sentiment around immigration, concern about fraud in the immigration system, etc. If you claimed asylum based on your life being in danger due to religious persecution it looks extremely suspicious if you are suddenly able to move back to your home country very soon after receiving citizenship. If it has taken 8 years to get citizenship you may not have had your asylum claim approved initially and appealed so there may have already been concern about your file. Sadly cases like yours undermines Canadians trust in the asylum system and in other asylum seekers whose lives are at risk in their home countries and may never be able to visit their home country and certainly not live there. It only takes one media report about a case like yours where a protected person moved back to their home country right after receiving citizenship to create public outrage of a system that is already being questioned. Reaction to volume of Canadians living in Lebanon with no ties to Canada and evacuation costs during the previous war in Lebanon changed immigration policy. Some has been reversed but that took over a decade. There is a global pushback going on surrounding immigration/asylum seekers, we are almost guaranteed a conservative majority government in Canada soon, etc. so people need to consider this while making decisions. If you are happy to live the rest of your life in your home country then no issue but if you don’t I would be cautious. If you worked for IRCC/IRB would it raise concerns for you about misrepresentation in an asylum claim if a protected person was suddenly safe to live in their home country right after receiving Canadian citizenship? This is especially the case if there has been no major changes in country conditions?

Hi political vs religious or sexual orientation, humanitarian are different stories.
applying for humanitarian doesn’t mean your country is at war and most cases not even for political although you could be a political asylum seeker and your country is not a war torn country

having said that sometimes you can face persecution by regime , people while your country is safe . in terms of returning to ones country with a foreign nationality you obviously have more rights especially in my country. i would not use the documents of my country of origin to return there .

its not about economic reasons only , most times your beloved ones are elderly, legal documents , property matters , family health issues etc are things to be taken care of .

as far as i know misrepresentation is lying on the initial claim . basically the mere fact or returning doesnt mean misrepresentation unless you can prove the person lied on the initial refugee claim.

my case was never appealed i had concrete evidence and until now nothing has changed ,my case was genuine, .

yes it could be due to various reasons and in my case i have access to more stuff in my home country such as property i also have got job opportunities when i dont want to end up homeless and apply for welfare let alone your beloved ones are older and need your support otherwise who will take care or them in a 3rd world countries?

thanks for your comment

 

[canuck78]

Hi political vs religious or sexual orientation, humanitarian are different stories.
applying for humanitarian doesn’t mean your country is at war and most cases not even for political although you could be a political asylum seeker and your country is not a war torn country

having said that sometimes you can face persecution by regime , people while your country is safe . in terms of returning to ones country with a foreign nationality you obviously have more rights especially in my country. i would not use the documents of my country of origin to return there .

its not about economic reasons only , most times your beloved ones are elderly, legal documents , property matters , family health issues etc are things to be taken care of .

as far as i know misrepresentation is lying on the initial claim . basically the mere fact or returning doesnt mean misrepresentation unless you can prove the person lied on the initial refugee claim.

my case was never appealed i had concrete evidence and until now nothing has changed ,my case was genuine, .

yes it could be due to various reasons and in my case i have access to more stuff in my home country such as property i also have got job opportunities when i dont want to end up homeless and apply for welfare let alone your beloved ones are older and need your support otherwise who will take care or them in a 3rd world countries?

thanks for your comment

To get asylum you have to prove that you are being persecuted and it is unsafe for you to live in your home country. People claim asylum even though they have better economic prospects in their home country, have family in their home country, etc. because their life is at risk. I’m sure you had family, property and better economic opportunities before getting Canadian citizenship but you waited until you got Canadian citizenship before returning back to live in your home country putting into question your actual need for asylum in the first place. I support and know genuine asylum seekers. They don’t return to live in their home countries as soon as they receive citizenship.

 

[classyarabicman37]

To get asylum you have to prove that you are being persecuted and it is unsafe for you to live in your home country. People claim asylum even though they have better economic prospects in their home country, have family in their home country, etc. because their life is at risk. I’m sure you had family, property and better economic opportunities before getting Canadian citizenship but you waited until you got Canadian citizenship before returning back to live in your home country putting into question your actual need for asylum in the first place. I support and know genuine asylum seekers. They don’t return to live in their home countries as soon as they receive citizenship.

oh i see so how long should i wait until i can return. enlighten me Mr Genius and let me follow your common sense.
thanks in advance

 

[studentapplyins00on]

To get asylum you have to prove that you are being persecuted and it is unsafe for you to live in your home country. People claim asylum even though they have better economic prospects in their home country, have family in their home country, etc. because their life is at risk. I’m sure you had family, property and better economic opportunities before getting Canadian citizenship but you waited until you got Canadian citizenship before returning back to live in your home country putting into question your actual need for asylum in the first place. I support and know genuine asylum seekers. They don’t return to live in their home countries as soon as they receive citizenship.

Why do you always talk like you know everything? It seems the OP's situation is unique and not related to war. His Canadian passport offers him protection, as many countries are wary of the repercussions of harming a citizen from a strong passport nation. Simply put, while OP may have had his rights infringed upon in his home country, his foreign passport compels officials there to restore those rights. You should seriously get this VIP title removed because of your ignorance.

 

[studentapplyins00on]

oh i see so how long should i wait until i can return. enlighten me Mr Genius and let me follow your common sense.
thanks in advance

What arab country are you from brother?

 

[Copingwithlife]

Why do you always talk like you know everything? It seems the OP's situation is unique and not related to war. His Canadian passport offers him protection, as many countries are wary of the repercussions of harming a citizen from a strong passport nation. Simply put, while OP may have had his rights infringed upon in his home country, his foreign passport compels officials there to restore those rights. You should seriously get this VIP title removed because of your ignorance.

You seriously need to become informed .
This guy’s Canadian passport got him no where
Going back to a country one claimed asylum after becoming a Canadian citizen is moronic to say the least

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/montreal-man-detained-sudan-1.7361247

But you’re the “ expert “

 

[studentapplyins00on]

You seriously need to become informed .
This guy’s Canadian passport got him no where
Going back to a country one claimed asylum after becoming a Canadian citizen is moronic to say the least

But you’re the “ expert “

I am not an expert, I have seen it in real life. I live in a 3rd world country where hell of a lot of people apply for asylum. So pretty sure I know more than you would ever know from Google. Also the exception doesn’t deny the rule or whatever they call it. Also seems like people with a vip title move together in a cult eh?

 

[armoured]

in terms of returning to ones country with a foreign nationality you obviously have more rights especially in my country. i would not use the documents of my country of origin to return there .

Since you haven't named the country, hard to comment in detail but overall, counting on one's foreign passport when one is a national to 'have more rights' can be dubious and problematic.
-in many countries (indeed most, I'd guess) if you are a citizen of that country, you are subject to national law w/o any consideration of other citizenships you may hold.
-I'd warn that in many countries it is a matter of law that a citizen must enter the country (and often deal with authorities in other matters) using their national passport and/or identifying themselves clearly as a citizen. That might only be an administrative violation, or it might be more serious or have other consequences.
-As a matter of international law, Canada has no rights or preferences to protect Canadians that hold the citizenship of the country they are in (beyond any that the country may choose to provide). This is leaving aside that 'consular protection' is rather thin gruel and not much in the way of concrete protection to begin with.

That's overall, again, can't comment on specific country situation.

 

[classyarabicman37]

Since you haven't named the country, hard to comment in detail but overall, counting on one's foreign passport when one is a national to 'have more rights' can be dubious and problematic.
-in many countries (indeed most, I'd guess) if you are a citizen of that country, you are subject to national law w/o any consideration of other citizenships you may hold.
-I'd warn that in many countries it is a matter of law that a citizen must enter the country (and often deal with authorities in other matters) using their national passport and/or identifying themselves clearly as a citizen. That might only be an administrative violation, or it might be more serious or have other consequences.
-As a matter of international law, Canada has no rights or preferences to protect Canadians that hold the citizenship of the country they are in (beyond any that the country may choose to provide). This is leaving aside that 'consular protection' is rather thin gruel and not much in the way of concrete protection to begin with.

That's overall, again, can't comment on specific country situation.

excuse me sir i just opened the forum .
after being bullied by some vip members i started to lose hope . well i guess you are more educated and took time to answer me kindly
i am originally from morocco . the gov dont go after religious minorities as long as you keep it low profile and discreet. moreover if you hold a foreign strong nationality as a dual citizen they take precautions. you are most likely to have issues with the population especially those who are very religious and practicing
hope i answered your questions and again thanks for your reply to my inquiry