SINP PNP Close Relative

[Darain110]

Excited to be a part of this community! My husband and I are planning to apply for the SINP program and hoping to claim maximum points. We were thinking of using my brother who lives in Canada as a family connection, however, there's a twist. My brother resides in Ontario but is willing to move to Saskatchewan to support our application. The challenge is that he can't move his entire family (including kids) with him.
We would really appreciate it if anyone has any experience or knowledge about this situation. Is it possible for us to still claim points for my brother's move to Saskatchewan while his family stays in Ontario? Or will SINP require him to move with his family? Any help or past cases would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!"

 

[Naturgrl]

Excited to be a part of this community! My husband and I are planning to apply for the SINP program and hoping to claim maximum points. We were thinking of using my brother who lives in Canada as a family connection, however, there's a twist. My brother resides in Ontario but is willing to move to Saskatchewan to support our application. The challenge is that he can't move his entire family (including kids) with him.
We would really appreciate it if anyone has any experience or knowledge about this situation. Is it possible for us to still claim points for my brother's move to Saskatchewan while his family stays in Ontario? Or will SINP require him to move with his family? Any help or past cases would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!"

You cannot claim any points until he has been living and working in Saskatchewan for a year. The family doesn’t have to move but his residency must be Saskatchewan. File taxes in the province too. He cannot file in Ontario so that may complicate if his wife is living in Ontario. He must also live during the PR process and when you land.

• Proof that you have been living in Saskatchewan for the past 12 months:
  • Utility bills from the past 12 months from SaskPower, SaskEnergy or a city or town office. (We will not accept phone, cell or cable bills).
  • Saskatchewan Health Card or Saskatchewan driver's licence.
  • Proof that the family member is a registered tenant of a Saskatchewan address (a lease agreement and rental receipts or a proof of ownership). Include the names of other occupants at this address and their relationship to them.
  • Proof of receipt of income for the past three months. So he wants employment in Saskatchewan.
• The SINP may ask for other documents. For example, if you have children between the ages 5-17, you may be asked for copies of their enrolment in the Saskatchewan education system. So they may want to see that the whole family is living there.

SINP can change the program at any time so he needs to be aware that he has to live there for many years. Also SINP can drop the close relative requirement too so he would have moved for no reason. Is your NOC ever selected?

 

[Darain110]

Hello! Thank you for your response. My husband has applied for SINP with 65 points under NOC code 2133 but the chances for selection seems low so my brother is ready to support us by purchasing an apartment in Saskatchewan and living there. This will give us an opportunity to claim additional points! But, we were having concerns as my brother's kids and wife won't be able to join him during this time. So we were wondering if my brothers moving to Saskatchewan under this situation would still be counted as a valid connection.

 

[Naturgrl]

Hello! Thank you for your response. My husband has applied for SINP with 65 points under NOC code 2133 but the chances for selection seems low so my brother is ready to support us by purchasing an apartment in Saskatchewan and living there. This will give us an opportunity to claim additional points! But, we were having concerns as my brother's kids and wife won't be able to join him during this time. So we were wondering if my brothers moving to Saskatchewan under this situation would still be counted as a valid connection.

He will need to get a job in Saskatchewan too as well as change his health card and driver’s license too. And file taxes. Biggest issue is family living in Ontario and if files jointly with spouse. As posted above, SINP may ask for kid’s registration in school to prove he is living there legitimately and not just to support your nomination, that would be misrepresentation and could lead to a ban. Working remotely may raise flags. Contact SINP and ask. Given he will have to live there for at least 3-4 years, moving, working and living in Saskatchewan away from his family then he will want to make sure.

 

[moscatojuices]

This smells funny to me. The intent is to basically exploit SINP for PR. I mean, let's be real the strategy is this:

• A Canadian PR is willing to move to Saskatchewan in order to grant +20 connection points to his bro, but the intent is not genuine because obviously he can't be leaving his family in Ontario by themselves (I mean staying apart from wife + kids for a year? How is that possible?), but is willing to do a "half half" dodgy arrangement of buying an apartment and pretending that it's his place of residence when in fact it is just a "shell residency" for the purposes of a mailing address to show SINP. As soon as the migrating brother gets PR, they'll likely all go to Ontario.

OP what you're basically suggesting is down and dirty fraud. Nothing about it seems genuine.

SINP were smart to add the checks and balances as @Naturgrl pointed out - they will see right through this.

 

[Naturgrl]

This smells funny to me. The intent is to basically exploit SINP for PR. I mean, let's be real the strategy is this:

• A Canadian PR is willing to move to Saskatchewan in order to grant +20 connection points to his bro, but the intent is not genuine because obviously he can't be leaving his family in Ontario by themselves (I mean staying apart from wife + kids for a year? How is that possible?), but is willing to do a "half half" dodgy arrangement of buying an apartment and pretending that it's his place of residence when in fact it is just a "shell residency" for the purposes of a mailing address to show SINP. As soon as the migrating brother gets PR, they'll likely all go to Ontario.

OP what you're basically suggesting is down and dirty fraud. Nothing about it seems genuine.

SINP were smart to add the checks and balances as @Naturgrl pointed out - they will see right through this.

For SINP, he needs more than a “shell residence”. He must be working in Saskatchewan and show income. If remote work that will raise red flags if family doesn’t move. Also he needs to have Saskatchewan healthcare and a drivers’ licenses while his family stays in Ontario. To get healthcare and DR, he must be living in the province not commuting between provinces. The brother must fill out the forms and list spouse and children so at some point SINP will ask for proof that they are living in Saskatchewan (SINP says will ask for school registration). The brother has to commit to live away for his wife and kids for probably 4 years just for the 20 points. If SINP figures it out (and they will), OP is looking at an immigration ban.

 

[moscatojuices]

For SINP, he needs more than a “shell residence”. He must be working in Saskatchewan and show income. If remote work that will raise red flags if family doesn’t move. Also he needs to have Saskatchewan healthcare and a drivers’ licenses while his family stays in Ontario. To get healthcare and DR, he must be living in the province not commuting between provinces. The brother must fill out the forms and list spouse and children so at some point SINP will ask for proof that they are living in Saskatchewan (SINP says will ask for school registration). The brother has to commit to live away for his wife and kids for probably 4 years just for the 20 points. If SINP figures it out (and they will), OP is looking at an immigration ban.

Too many people think SINP are dumb and will hand out easy peasy nomination - I live in SK and have met many people who received PFLs for trying dirty tactics like this - they are languishing in the PUI queues.

Re: your post. Completely agree. But that's OP's ploy - they're trying the "being in two places at once" PR strategy - live for economic convenience in one province, exploit the other for PR. Curious, why do you say 4 years?

 

[Naturgrl]

Too many people think SINP are dumb and will hand out easy peasy nomination - I live in SK and have met many people who received PFLs for trying dirty tactics like this - they are languishing in the PUI queues.

Re: your post. Completely agree. But that's OP's ploy - they're trying the "being in two places at once" PR strategy - live for economic convenience in one province, exploit the other for PR. Curious, why do you say 4 years?

Guessing on 3-4 years. The person has to move to Saskatchewan and not just buy a residence. It could be more than a year to prove residency. Has to be a tax resident which will be interesting if family living in Ontario. Can’t file in Ontario. Then OP applies for SINP. Don’t know NOC so may not be nominated right away. Could take another year and in the meantime, SINP may change NOCs and move to in demand only. Who knows. Then are nominated apply and it may take another year. And if it goes to PIU then that can take a long time. The brother is giving up his family for a long time for 20 points.

 

[moscatojuices]

Guessing on 3-4 years. The person has to move to Saskatchewan and not just buy a residence. It could be more than a year to prove residency. Has to be a tax resident which will be interesting if family living in Ontario. Can’t file in Ontario. Then OP applies for SINP. Don’t know NOC so may not be nominated right away. Could take another year and in the meantime, SINP may change NOCs and move to in demand only. Who knows. Then are nominated apply and it may take another year. And if it goes to PIU then that can take a long time. The brother is giving up his family for a long time for 20 points.

Ah yes got it - the connection would need to be sustained right till PR, and even after that IRCC and SINP anti-fraud unit can check to see if applicant has fulfilled the intention to reside.

OP I don't meant to berate you, but a lot of people don't understand how important the "intent" component is when it comes to PR applications.

 

[Darain110]

This smells funny to me. The intent is to basically exploit SINP for PR. I mean, let's be real the strategy is this:

• A Canadian PR is willing to move to Saskatchewan in order to grant +20 connection points to his bro, but the intent is not genuine because obviously he can't be leaving his family in Ontario by themselves (I mean staying apart from wife + kids for a year? How is that possible?), but is willing to do a "half half" dodgy arrangement of buying an apartment and pretending that it's his place of residence when in fact it is just a "shell residency" for the purposes of a mailing address to show SINP. As soon as the migrating brother gets PR, they'll likely all go to Ontario.

OP what you're basically suggesting is down and dirty fraud. Nothing about it seems genuine.

SINP were smart to add the checks and balances as @Naturgrl pointed out - they will see right through this.

 

[Darain110]

Hmm I understand your point. My brother was thinking of buying an apartment with the intention to genuinely help us financially. He will be living and working in Saskatchewan and will be providing all the documents that SINP require but only concern was living with out his family was a valid connection or not. So I got your answer for that.... Thank u!

 

[Darain110]

Ah yes got it - the connection would need to be sustained right till PR, and even after that IRCC and SINP anti-fraud unit can check to see if applicant has fulfilled the intention to reside.

OP I don't meant to berate you, but a lot of people don't understand how important the "intent" component is when it comes to PR applications.

 

[Darain110]

So I understand that for supporting our application he will have to bring his family to Saskatchewan to prove the intention that he is living there legitimately.

 

[Naturgrl]

So I understand that for supporting our application he will have to bring his family to Saskatchewan to prove the intention that he is living there legitimately.

If you read the document, he will have to list his family members. And then SINP can ask for proof that family members are living there. If not, SINP will know he moved there only for immigration purposes. Then you will likely receive a ban for misrepresentation. If he wants to go ahead and move permanently and live away from his family for so long then he can try. His application will have so many red flags though.

 

[moscatojuices]

Hmm I understand your point. My brother was thinking of buying an apartment with the intention to genuinely help us financially. He will be living and working in Saskatchewan and will be providing all the documents that SINP require but only concern was living with out his family was a valid connection or not. So I got your answer for that.... Thank u!

And you see that's the issue here. It's not actually his intent or your intent to genuinely reside in Saskatchewan as family units. It's your intent to relocate him as a benefit to your PR application, but he's not a genuine resident of Saskatchewan. How on Earth could a husband and father be living apart from his wife and kids in Ontario, for potentially 3+ years at the least? Obviously he's going to move back to Ontario as quickly as the ordeal is wrapped up, and I suspect you would too.

Everything you've said is like moving chess pieces around to make it happen, because you don't have a solution for the dilemma regarding the family being divided. That's just how it looks to me and if that's the case an immigration officer will likely feel the same.

Basically, yes the whole family would need to relocate to Saskatchewan - a decision that entails tolerating -50C temperatures, blizzards, snowstorms, less opportunities, black ice, less money, no public transport, finding new work, finding new schools/day care for kids etc. - and stay there till you get PR and also likely after PR, because IRCC/SINP anti-fraud units have the power to threaten your PR even after it's granted if they felt all of this was a ploy for +20 points.