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fridge03

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Agreed, NOC-based system might be returning. It's not necessarily a bad thing, although it totally depends on how they'll implement it. FIFO is an abomination though, it needs to stay dead.

How did it come to all this so suddenly? The last thing we heard from the government about FSW was that it was only temporarily paused because of the travel restrictions. Now there's all this talk and some of this is backed by the officials. This is exactly why I think restrictions were an excuse for a system change. There could be no other circumstance that'd allow the current government to give out so many ITAs to people who otherwise could not have even imagined coming this far.

Yes, there are some concerns which drive the recent EE changes but they are definitely not economic. There's mandatory quarantine for every single person landing, and the person pays for their own quarantine. There are PCR tests available whenever needed. There are future prospects of vaccines in reducing the cases. All while an average processing (landing) time of 8 to 12 months. In my opinion the concerns are not economic, they are political. What we see is probably an attempt at creating as many new citizens as possible before sept 2023.
I think noc system immigration makes sense but Canada needs more immigrants than this system can provide. Pnp driven immigration is slow and Canada desperately wants people right now.
So no worries about the return of independent immigration, all’s going to be fine!
 

fridge03

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Easy PR? Do you think foreign workers and students just magically and easily got to Canada? It’s usually a long path with a lot of difficulties and hard work. You pay higher educational fees, you don’t have a regular SIN and because of that you have a hard time to finance a car or a house. You need to double your dedication as a worker because sometimes your permit is attached to the company and you can’t afford getting laid off.

It’s tough for most of people.

Again - be respectful to other foreigners. Don’t let your anger blind you.
while I agree with you study-immigration is still an easier path (for them) that’s why they chose it. They did not for me and you, they did it for themselves; if they could get a good Ielts score or/and French test they would do it.
These are usually more or less rich people that can afford study path. I would go through educational immigration myself had I had the money.
Fsw-Outland is tough, we shouldn’t downplay ourselves!
 

Totodonna

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Oh boy, I wish I was easier for me to get pr as an international student here. I spent lots of money to study here, but I got the ita only with my international experience and education, I didn’t need to include my education in Canada cause I had enough points (477) to get an invitation which I got in august. I am a fsw inland who studied here, I’m working here and paying taxes too as any other cec. I don’t understand why people fight against each other. We do not control Canada’s government, we only have to wait and accept the decisions they make. We are going through a pandemic, people are dying, we should be more comprehensive here.
 

guelphite

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Things came on suddenly because the pandemic came on suddenly. IMO none of this is at all surprising.

Economic immigration programs are ultimately for the benefit of the country that has the immigration program (not those applying). Unfortunately that's the honest truth. Canada's needs have changed as a result of the pandemic and so economic immigration programs are changing to reflect this. We'll have to see exactly what that means over the next number of months.

Wishing everyone good luck in applying and being selected - regardless what the future holds.
Housing prices here are completely insane and it's becoming the #1 political story here outside of covid. Trudeau and the Liberals are trying to delay doing anything about it until they have an election. But people are starting to connect immigration to those prices and I think some of the wariness about opening FSW immigration is because of that.
 
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dankboi

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Agreed. Some recent polls confirm this. It is so clear that none of the EE changes has to do with anything about economic concerns, they're all driven by political concerns. A CEC/PNP gets the citizenship at least 1.5 years sooner than an outland FSW. They're trying to create as many votes as possible by handing out easy PRs, while they keep people out to prevent housing prices from blowing up. So they'll keep playing the "way down" card for a much longer time even though vaccinations surpass 75% and cases go below 1000.

It's good we've stopped talking about the silly tax talk and unnecessary travel restrictions, but the true reasons behind what's happening. Somebody needs to let the current govt know that they can't win the 2023 election by giving away easy PRs and citizenships to every single temporary resident in canada and their grandmothers because the current citizens of canada will react to all this.
I thought about this when they put forth the 2021-2023 plan.

The 44th Canadian federal election will take place on or before October 16, 2023
"None of the EE changes has to do with anything about economic concerns, they're all driven by political concerns. A CEC/PNP gets the citizenship at least 1.5 years sooner than an outland FSW. They're trying to create as many votes as possible by handing out easy PRs, while they keep people out to prevent housing prices from blowing up"
TRUE @voyager123


I don't have the opinion " PR IS A PRIVILEGE" and I hope not all but some FSW-I & O feels this is not a privilege. The more you know about their hidden agendas the more you believe it's not a privilege

I wish to believe it is a privilege but the politics behind the whole schemes suggests me not to

Anyone with education and skills can find a work in the UK (a far better first world) and if there is a sponsor you will have it! and can apply for the Permanent Residence and it's not a privilege.
Canada lacks population . all the folks desperate to move to a "first world" (not the best) comes to CA because it lacks population and PR is easy and COVID added to theirs and the politicians benefits - Giving away PR is requesting VOTE, This whole shit is POLITICAL.
one of the best first world country don't need population.


The only left over community who doesn't have PR is the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, who knows for the VOTES, Canada might give illegal immigrants the PR
 
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This makes it clear the govt will extend the restrictions to June 22, by which date canada will have reached the 20/75 vaccination goal which practically ends the pandemic in canada (check countries like the UK and the US to understand how 20/75 will definitely end the pandemic in canada. also read what doctors and scientists say about it). however, as seen in these news and as it was already expected, the govt will now use the cases of other countries as an excuse to keep the skilled candidates out and make every single temporary resident a PR so that they can get their vote in 2023.
Just a bit of a technical correction. PRs can't vote. Only citizens can vote. So anyone becoming a PR now won't be voting in the 2023 election. Best case scenario they might have citizenship (and be able to vote) by late 2024.
 

Parve

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Hi all,

I have a question. I am a FSW outland applicant residing in India. I received the ITA in September 2020 and submitted my application in the following month. I did the medical exam upfront in June last year. Since it would be expiring next month, can I proactively do the medical exam or do I have to wait for IRCC to notify me? Also, what is the procedure if I were to do the medical exam proactively? Thanks in advance.
 

guelphite

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Just a bit of a technical correction. PRs can't vote. Only citizens can vote. So anyone becoming a PR now won't be voting in the 2023 election. Best case scenario they might have citizenship (and be able to vote) by late 2024.
Also, they are going to try to call an election this fall
 
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Frisk

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I've been watching some videos speculating about the changes for EE and many of them coincide with the fact that "the most qualified applicants are not necessarily what Canada needs". To me this sounds a lot like they're bringing back the old system for FSW where only around 50 NOC codes were able to apply, back then it was first come, first serve.

If they combine this with EE, people with certain NOCs would get a point boost without having to go through PNP.

On the other hand, regular NOC codes wouldn't give a point boost. That system would allow Canada to address labour shortages quickly and for non in-demand applicants, it'd require them to go the extra mile and study more, learn French, etc to remain competitive and have more chances to integrate in Canada.
 
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mushymush

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Lol I should consider myself lucky that french is so political and they overvalue it so much. It's a joke how much importance they give french, when the vast majority of the population doesn't speak it and the language only exists in canada because they are trying so hard to keep it there.
 
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mushymush

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"the most qualified applicants are not necessarily what Canada needs" is reasonable. After all, if there are too many professionals in occupation X in canada, then getting even more X professionals will only drive unemployment. It must be noted this is not at all tied to anything IRCC has said though. They kept blaming it all on "travel restrictions". They should've just made their intentions open in a timely and an honest manner so people can update their plans accordingly.

But there's a catch in "the most qualified applicants are not necessarily what Canada needs", and we'll see that soon. It has to do with how the govt will try to justify the PRs given to many underqualified immigrants, all because, as the govt said, qualified immigrants could not come to canada due to "travel restrictions". I'd like to hear an explanation on how a CRS 75 person is what "canada needs". "Tax talk" again? It is clearly an excuse as FSWs immediately become tax payers just like everyone else. Why not invite FSW-I if being in canada now and paying taxes is the only concern? It should also be noted many of these low CRS immigrants are old, which is partly why their scores are low. What was the main drive in the canadian immigration? Canada's aging population. Now why invite old immigrants? Well they're old, but they still can vote once they've become citizens.

So at this point people can understand that all the talk about vaccine roll out, the pandemic, restrictions and all were just excuses and prospective immigrants can only sit and wait till the govt decides they lied enough and can now share their actual plans.
Yes I'm sure the dozens of people with low CRS will be the deciding factor that wins liberals the elections 3 years from now. /s
Man I hope FSW draws resume soon, just so I don't have to continue reading this reactionary nonsense everyday.
 
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Frisk

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"the most qualified applicants are not necessarily what Canada needs" is reasonable. After all, if there are too many professionals in occupation X in canada, then getting even more X professionals will only drive unemployment. It must be noted this is not at all tied to anything IRCC has said though. They kept blaming it all on "travel restrictions". They should've just made their intentions open in a timely and an honest manner so people can update their plans accordingly.

But there's a catch in "the most qualified applicants are not necessarily what Canada needs", and we'll see that soon. It has to do with how the govt will try to justify the PRs given to many underqualified immigrants, all because, as the govt said, qualified immigrants could not come to canada due to "travel restrictions". I'd like to hear an explanation on how a CRS 75 person is what "canada needs". "Tax talk" again? It is clearly an excuse as FSWs immediately become tax payers just like everyone else. Why not invite FSW-I if being in canada now and paying taxes is the only concern? It should also be noted many of these low CRS immigrants are old, which is partly why their scores are low. What was the main drive in the canadian immigration? Canada's aging population. Now why invite old immigrants? Well they're old, but they still can vote once they've become citizens.

So at this point people can understand that all the talk about vaccine roll out, the pandemic, restrictions and all were just excuses and prospective immigrants can only sit and wait till the govt decides they lied enough and can now share their actual plans.
It might be about employability, a NOC C or D person might never be out of work while a Philosophy PhD might struggle to find a job. People with very low points are usually bad candidates either because of age or education. I know many older folks with 20 years of experience on a profession but no formal education. Education is accessible to almost anyone NOW, but many years ago in certain countries people had to quit school to work or help in the house. Those applicants are not necessarily bad candidates, and can contribute as much as any ultra skilled FSW.
 
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Uncle Yayo

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This page sha took a very troublesome turn....
 
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