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Ray of hope - FSW - 1

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willapp

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I can only speculate as to when restrictions will be completely lifted.... but from what I can see... restrictions are already semi-open. Citizens, PR Holders, International Students, Care-Givers, Essential Workers can enter whenever they want... the only people affected by restrictions are Tourists & COPR Holders.

Considering the Covid situation Canada is in now, It's safe to say, this 1+ year restriction hasn't really been effective.
Exactly, the number of international students allowed into Canada probably is more than COPR holders outside Canada. Excluding COPR holders did not make a difference to the Covid situation in Canada.
 

dankboi

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Nope , I have this feeling after reading about the reforms they are going to bring later, that the FSW based on CRS is unlikely to happen but based on the NOC. They may not achieve increase in population levels if they are going into NOC specific draws which is significant because their objective is to bring in more human beings and money from out.
 

dhruvbajaj39

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In progress applications aside, do you guys not think that this restriction on post 18 March 20 COPR holders is long in the tooth now? It’s starting to make less sense by the day because cases/variants are already on the rise despite such strict restrictions. And expired COPRs will only increase IRCC’s burden later.
 
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Psyoptica

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My biggest fear is that they will cancel all outland applications currently being processed under FSW if they can't keep up with the backlog.
I don't mind waiting but just this thought makes me very anxious
 

dhruvbajaj39

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My biggest fear is that they will cancel all outland applications currently being processed under FSW if they can't keep up with the backlog.
I don't mind waiting but just this thought makes me very anxious
Haha what?! That’s quite absurd. If that were the case they wouldn’t have begun processing the files from the 2020 draws. That would create a wave of backlashes. Yes, IRCC doesn’t owe us anything but clarity and accountability is expected when the restrictions ease
 

Psyoptica

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Haha what?! That’s quite absurd. If that were the case they wouldn’t have begun processing the files from the 2020 draws. That would create a wave of backlashes. Yes, IRCC doesn’t owe us anything but clarity and accountability is expected when the restrictions ease

lol I know this is very unlikely but these are pandemic times and IRCC has been very inconsistent with their actions so far.
Another possibility is that 2020 applicantions are put on the backburner for a very long time. A highly pessimistic view but a possiblity nonetheless.
 

dhruvbajaj39

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lol I know this is very unlikely but these are pandemic times and IRCC has been very inconsistent with their actions so far.
Another possibility is that 2020 applicantions are put on the backburner for a very long time. A highly pessimistic view but a possiblity nonetheless.
I totally get the negative thoughts but there are thousands of applications in the pipeline. They conducted about 10 all program draws last year. Yes the pandemic stretched further thanks to slow vaccination but there’s no call to sit on in progress applications after most people are vaccinated.
 
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ElStu

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Well, it looks that there will be no FSW draws and the EE will change based on the new budget. Most FSWs who have been waiting for sometime are screwed or what? What the heck is happening with Canada and it’s immigration, OMG!
 

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the "target" is not even the same anymore. the demographics of immigrants ircc needs apparently has changed. skilled people outside of canada are seem to be not needed at least for now. 2022 is secured thanks to the 90k. I personally don't expect any FSW draws between 2021 sept and 2022 sept so if there are no FSW draws until sept this year, maybe it's better to change plans and look out for ways that better fit the new game.
This year's quota won't be met unless they fast-track those 90k applications and the massive CEC draws.
 

Frisk

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I think the government knows a lot of people are going to end up being retrained and reallocated to different occupations when they come to Canada.

That's the difference between Canada's and Australia's system, Canada want skilled people but it's not necessarily that they will work in their field, they expect new immigrants to adapt to professions and roles which are in demand. They're more interested in getting young people with strong language skills, who are educated but who can also shift to other professions if needs be. Basically they have transferrable skills and are retrainable. With Australia, they look at the job market and see where there are shortages and allocate ceilings based on the numbers they need to fill in different occupations. They're not bothered with losing well educated people with Australian qualifications or work experience if they're not employed in an occupation with a labour shortage. But that's also because Australia's demographics are more favourable, and because immigration is increasingly unpopular there because of the congestion in their major cities.
If I recall, the original premise of EE was proving an immigrant could fill a job position, to do that they considered employability and adaptation capacity based on education, language, age and work experience. With the current job market and pandemic I think it makes a lot of sense they want to attract people with certain occupations that experiencing a shortage of workers now, but that'd make EE very unpredictable.

Covid has exposed EE's flaws, why bring doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc if they won't be able to work on their field due to the difficulty of getting a valid license in Canada? Or are looked down upon because of their lack of Canadian Experience? We all know the infamous "Uber driver with a PhD" story, or ultra skilled professionals that end up working in professions well below their educational level.

Those major reforms might implement a NOI system in the whole pool, not just for PNP eligible people, and everyone with an in-demand occupation might get a significant point boost without going through the entire PNP process. Just speculating, but the gap between regular immigrants and "in-demand" immigrants will become very notorious.

I feel like the new streams, the "90k" is both a pilot to test the profiles of in-demand workers (age, professional profile) and the last chance for many non-essential graduates to get PR before a major reform that won't favour highly educated people as much as highly employable people.
 

willapp

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If I recall, the original premise of EE was proving an immigrant could fill a job position, to do that they considered employability and adaptation capacity based on education, language, age and work experience. With the current job market and pandemic I think it makes a lot of sense they want to attract people with certain occupations that experiencing a shortage of workers now, but that'd make EE very unpredictable.

Covid has exposed EE's flaws, why bring doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc if they won't be able to work on their field due to the difficulty of getting a valid license in Canada? Or are looked down upon because of their lack of Canadian Experience? We all know the infamous "Uber driver with a PhD" story, or ultra skilled professionals that end up working in professions well below their educational level.

Those major reforms might implement a NOI system in the whole pool, not just for PNP eligible people, and everyone with an in-demand occupation might get a significant point boost without going through the entire PNP process. Just speculating, but the gap between regular immigrants and "in-demand" immigrants will become very notorious.

I feel like the new streams, the "90k" is both a pilot to test the profiles of in-demand workers (age, professional profile) and the last chance for many non-essential graduates to get PR before a major reform that won't favour highly educated people as much as highly employable people.
The PNP program is already there to let provinces pick the NOC they feel in demand. If in the future they want to target certain NOCs in the FSW program, eventually it depends on how well the government can predict the demand, which is not an easy thing to do at all. Alternatively, the market will work itself out because people who are not good fit to Canada will drop out even when the FSW program is open to everyone. Both options have limitations and it's really not clear which one is more efficient. But I will not be surprised if Canada moves to what Australia is doing, having separate invitations for different occupations.
 
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