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Subject: Muslims in Manitoba [article from the Calgary Herald]
Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 14:25:51 -0400


Time to Change Tune on Official Multiculturalism
by Licia Corbella, Calgary Herald - February 12, 2011

About one dozen families who recently immigrated to Canada are demanding
that the Louis Riel School Division in Winnipeg excuse their children from
music and coed physical education programs for religious reasons. The
families believe music is un-Islamic ~ just like the Taliban believe and
then imposed on the entire population of Afghanistan ~ and that physical
education classes should be segregated by gender even in the elementary
years.


The school division is facing the music in a typically Canadian way –
that is, bending itself into a trombone to try to accommodate these demands,
even though in Manitoba, and indeed the rest of the country, music and
phys-ed are compulsory parts of the curriculum. Officials say they may try
to have the Muslim children do a writing project on music to satisfy the
curriculum's requirements. The school officials have apparently consulted
the Manitoba Human Rights Commission, and they have also spoken to a member
of the Islamic community suggested by those very same Muslim parents. In any
event, the school district is trying to find a way to adapt the curriculum
to fit the wishes of these families, rather than these families adapting to
fit into the school and Canadian culture.


Mahfooz Kanwar, a member of the Muslim Canadian Congress, says he has
a better idea.
"I'd tell them, this is Canada, and in Canada, we teach music and
physical education in our schools. If you don't like it, leave. If you want
to live under sharia law, go back to the hellhole country you came from or
go to another hellhole country that lives under sharia law," said Kanwar,
who is a professor emeritus of sociology at Mount Royal University in
Calgary.
That might be putting things a little more forcefully than most of us
would be comfortable with, but Kanwar says he is tired of hearing about such
out-of-tune demands from newcomers to our country. "Immigrants to
Canada should adjust to Canada, not the other way around," he argues.


Kanwar, who immigrated to Canada from Pakistan via England and then
the United States in 1966, says he used to buy into the "mosaic, official
multiculturalism" (nonsense). He makes it clear, that like most Canadians,
he is pleased and enjoys that Canada has citizens literally from every
country and corner in the world, as it has enriched this country immensely.
But it's official multiculturalism – the state policy "that entrenches the
lie" that all cultures and beliefs are of equal value and of equal validity
in Canada that he objects to. "The fact is, Canada has an enviable culture
based on Judeo-Christian values - not Muslim values - with British and
French rule of law and traditions and that's why it's better than all of the
other places in the world. We are heading down a dangerous path if we allow
the idea that sharia law a place in Canada. It does not. It is completely
incompatible with the idea and reality of Canada," says Kanwar, who in the
1970s was the founder and president of the Pakistan-Canada Association and a
big fan of official multiculturalism.

Kanwar says his views changed when he started listening to the people
who joined his group. They badmouthed Canada, weren't interested in knowing
Canadians or even in learning one of our official languages. They
created cultural ghettos and the Canadian government even helped fund it.
"One day it dawned on me that the reason all of us wanted to move here
was going to disappear if we didn't start defending Canada and its
fundamental values." That's when Kanwar started speaking out against the
dangers of official multiculturalism. He has been doing so for decades. So,
it's no surprise that Kanwar is delighted with the recent speech British
Prime Minister David Cameron delivered to the 47th Munich Security
Conference on Feb. 5.

"Under the doctrine of state multiculturalism," said Cameron, "we
have failed to provide a vision of society to which they feel they want to
belong. We have even tolerated these segregated communities behaving in ways
that run counter to our values. So when a white person holds objectionable
views - racism, for example - we rightly condemn them. But when
equally unacceptable views or practices have come from someone who isn't
white, we've been too cautious, frankly even fearful, to stand up to them .
. . . This hands-off tolerance," said Cameron, "has only served to reinforce
the sense that not enough is shared. All this leaves some young Muslims
feeling rootless and . . . can lead them to this extremist ideology."

Kanwar actually credits German Chancellor Angela Merkel for being among
the first of the world's democratic leaders to take the courageous step in
October to say that official multiculturalism had "failed totally." It
appears leaders are getting bolder. During an interview with TFI channel on
Feb. 10, French President Nicolas Sarkozy declared: "We have been too
concerned about the identity of the person who was arriving and not
enough about the identity of the country that was receiving him."Cameron
ended his speech by saying: "At stake are not just lives, it's our way of
life. That's why this is a challenge we cannot avoid - and one we
must meet."
That democratically elected leaders are at long last starting to sing a
different tune on official multiculturalism is sweet music to Kanwar. Here's
hoping those poor kids in Winnipeg will get to hear some of it.

Licia Corbella is The Herald's Editorial Page Editor
lcorBella@calgaryherald.com
© Copyright (c) The Calgary Herald
 

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Oops. People immigrate for new life but carry same old thinking? Sure it won't help.
 

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toby said:
Subject: Muslims in Manitoba [article from the Calgary Herald]
Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 14:25:51 -0400


Time to Change Tune on Official Multiculturalism
by Licia Corbella, Calgary Herald - February 12, 2011

About one dozen families who recently immigrated to Canada are demanding
that the Louis Riel School Division in Winnipeg excuse their children from
music and coed physical education programs for religious reasons. The
families believe music is un-Islamic ~ just like the Taliban believe and
then imposed on the entire population of Afghanistan ~ and that physical
education classes should be segregated by gender even in the elementary
years.


The school division is facing the music in a typically Canadian way –
that is, bending itself into a trombone to try to accommodate these demands,
even though in Manitoba, and indeed the rest of the country, music and
phys-ed are compulsory parts of the curriculum. Officials say they may try
to have the Muslim children do a writing project on music to satisfy the
curriculum's requirements. The school officials have apparently consulted
the Manitoba Human Rights Commission, and they have also spoken to a member
of the Islamic community suggested by those very same Muslim parents. In any
event, the school district is trying to find a way to adapt the curriculum
to fit the wishes of these families, rather than these families adapting to
fit into the school and Canadian culture.


Mahfooz Kanwar, a member of the Muslim Canadian Congress, says he has
a better idea.
"I'd tell them, this is Canada, and in Canada, we teach music and
physical education in our schools. If you don't like it, leave. If you want
to live under sharia law, go back to the hellhole country you came from or
go to another hellhole country that lives under sharia law," said Kanwar,
who is a professor emeritus of sociology at Mount Royal University in
Calgary.
That might be putting things a little more forcefully than most of us
would be comfortable with, but Kanwar says he is tired of hearing about such
out-of-tune demands from newcomers to our country. "Immigrants to
Canada should adjust to Canada, not the other way around," he argues.


Kanwar, who immigrated to Canada from Pakistan via England and then
the United States in 1966, says he used to buy into the "mosaic, official
multiculturalism" (nonsense). He makes it clear, that like most Canadians,
he is pleased and enjoys that Canada has citizens literally from every
country and corner in the world, as it has enriched this country immensely.
But it's official multiculturalism – the state policy "that entrenches the
lie" that all cultures and beliefs are of equal value and of equal validity
in Canada that he objects to. "The fact is, Canada has an enviable culture
based on Judeo-Christian values - not Muslim values - with British and
French rule of law and traditions and that's why it's better than all of the
other places in the world. We are heading down a dangerous path if we allow
the idea that sharia law a place in Canada. It does not. It is completely
incompatible with the idea and reality of Canada," says Kanwar, who in the
1970s was the founder and president of the Pakistan-Canada Association and a
big fan of official multiculturalism.

Kanwar says his views changed when he started listening to the people
who joined his group. They badmouthed Canada, weren't interested in knowing
Canadians or even in learning one of our official languages. They
created cultural ghettos and the Canadian government even helped fund it.
"One day it dawned on me that the reason all of us wanted to move here
was going to disappear if we didn't start defending Canada and its
fundamental values." That's when Kanwar started speaking out against the
dangers of official multiculturalism. He has been doing so for decades. So,
it's no surprise that Kanwar is delighted with the recent speech British
Prime Minister David Cameron delivered to the 47th Munich Security
Conference on Feb. 5.

"Under the doctrine of state multiculturalism," said Cameron, "we
have failed to provide a vision of society to which they feel they want to
belong. We have even tolerated these segregated communities behaving in ways
that run counter to our values. So when a white person holds objectionable
views - racism, for example - we rightly condemn them. But when
equally unacceptable views or practices have come from someone who isn't
white, we've been too cautious, frankly even fearful, to stand up to them .
. . . This hands-off tolerance," said Cameron, "has only served to reinforce
the sense that not enough is shared. All this leaves some young Muslims
feeling rootless and . . . can lead them to this extremist ideology."

Kanwar actually credits German Chancellor Angela Merkel for being among
the first of the world's democratic leaders to take the courageous step in
October to say that official multiculturalism had "failed totally." It
appears leaders are getting bolder. During an interview with TFI channel on
Feb. 10, French President Nicolas Sarkozy declared: "We have been too
concerned about the identity of the person who was arriving and not
enough about the identity of the country that was receiving him."Cameron
ended his speech by saying: "At stake are not just lives, it's our way of
life. That's why this is a challenge we cannot avoid - and one we
must meet."
That democratically elected leaders are at long last starting to sing a
different tune on official multiculturalism is sweet music to Kanwar. Here's
hoping those poor kids in Winnipeg will get to hear some of it.

Licia Corbella is The Herald's Editorial Page Editor
lcorBella @ calgaryherald.com
© Copyright (c) The Calgary Herald



I agree,
If you had problem with all this then why you going to English country.

I eat halal meat so I am free to go to halal shop to buy them instead of supermarket , and I am sure if supermarket feel that they getting some profit in selling halal then they will start selling them, there should nothing to cry about it.

We should realise that why you don't want to live in talibani country or Arabic country because they sucks , so please don't try to change Canada unnecessary unless they stop us from following our religion.
 

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The way I see it, there are sort of "social constructs" that curb this type of thinking (ie, not getting with the Canadian state of mind). Folks who don't seem to integrate get a hard time getting accepted in jobs.
 

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Agree...they leave their war torn zones to get the same 6th century ideology in a western world...West is wakingup...its not about hate...its about standing for equality and freedom and kicking out the racist and hate preaching ideology out or go back to their own countries...please google to see how they are over taking the west...
 

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regnard said:
The way I see it, there are sort of "social constructs" that curb this type of thinking (ie, not getting with the Canadian state of mind). Folks who don't seem to integrate get a hard time getting accepted in jobs.
100% true. Well said.

Immigration is change. If you're not willing to adapt and integrate yourself into the country you have chosen as your home - then expect problems and challenges.
 

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I think it has a lot to do with how we define multiculturalism.

Lets take india for example it also consists of many cultures, language, food, and tradition and each one of them is unique in its own way. However India has something called Nationalism everyone is Indian period. Whether you are a Bengali, Keralite, Gujrati, Punjabi all united as India. Although they are different in their unique way which is absolute fine and in fact is very much welcomed they are all Indians. You have white Indians, black Indians, Chinese Indians and so forth.

If Multiculturalism were to be interpreted in India according to the Canadian Charter of Rights and freedom then Keralites will not be united with Punjabis , Bengalis will not be united with Gujratis and so forth, they would be celebrating their differences without being united as Indians.

Therefore we have to understand where our identity lies first and then how can we unite as Canadians we are in serious need of a United Canadian National Front or a Canadian Nationalist Party that would be the eyes and ears of the diverse Canadians in the local level and a leader representing them at the national level. Unfortunately nationalism is something that's missing in Canada, we have such a big and beautiful country but sadly have absolutely nothing to offer in a global level, more than half our companies are owned by U.S. More than half our real estate in major cities is owned by foreigners (the average price of a detached home in Vancouver is only $800,000), our national carrier Air Canada is bleeding to death. The amount of government bureaucracy and red tape is ridiculous which is why its hard for Canadians to export major resources (oil, gas, coal, metals, lumber), the civil laws are a joke especially when it comes to protecting your property and family from being robbed by thieves
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2011/04/07/lucky-moose-election.html
Word is going around countries if you want to take up a profession as a thief and get pardoned choose Canada.

I am not even going to start on the prospects of highly educated and skilled immigrants. The unfortunate thing is there is no communication and transparency among immigration minister and labour minister, nor is there any transparency among consumers and companies (we go shopping south of the border cause its hard to find deals in this country), no communication between the police chief or justice minister. Its like you are building a house but the electrician does not talk to the plumber, the plumber does not talk to the mason, mason dosn't talk to the carpenter.. what kind of house are we going to build?

If we as a nation really embrace multiculturalism its useless hanging and framing it on the wall and calling it “The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedom”, how many CEOs of Canadian companies are black? How may brown people have we appointed judges in the supreme court of Canada? When was the last time we had a Chinese- Canadian prime minister?

So before we get too concerned about who is bringing the shariah law and get all excited there are more important things we need to fix. We need to take a step back and re-think what it means to be Canadian and address issues such as Nationalism, race and identity before we go any further.
 

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That article is a total joke. Asking for special educational arrangements equals Sharia law? Hardly! This is the same type of immigrant fear mongering they stoke in the U.S. I am not surprised this comes from an Alberta newspaper. That said, I agree that newcomers have a certain responsibility to adapt. But the broader society also has a responsibility to help them. I hope it is possible that you can still have multiculturalism without becoming a Balkanized society.
 

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Dear Links18 ,

Why special arrangements ?. Are those kids physically or mentally handicapped ?. Education must be same for all .
 

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links18 said:
That article is a total joke. Asking for special educational arrangements equals Sharia law? Hardly! This is the same type of immigrant fear mongering they stoke in the U.S. I am not surprised this comes from an Alberta newspaper. That said, I agree that newcomers have a certain responsibility to adapt. But the broader society also has a responsibility to help them. I hope it is possible that you can still have multiculturalism without becoming a Balkanized society.
Maybe because i am albertan i completely disagree with you. Society has in no way any responsibilities to "help" or change for new immigrants. It irritates me to no end how a very small portion of immigrants think they can demand the whole country change for them or their beliefs. I dont move to a middle east country because i would not feel comfortable with the culture and i am fairly certain they would laugh at me if i demanded they change to accept my beliefs.

Simply put, i beleive do what ever you want, practice what ever religion you believe in, work hard and become Canadian. Dont expect to get some sort of special treatment.
 

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Yes i agree with you Peter . I am an indian and i believe we are one of the greatest hypocrites in the world. We indians become so happy when one of our fellow indian immigrant rises up and finds a place in Canadian cabinet. On the other hand we people never tolerated italy born congress president to be our prime minister, although she being an Indian citizen.

It is true, if Canadians go to our countries we will never change a rule.
 

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newtone said:
I think it has a lot to do with how we define multiculturalism.

Lets take india for example it also consists of many cultures, language, food, and tradition and each one of them is unique in its own way. However India has something called Nationalism everyone is Indian period. Whether you are a Bengali, Keralite, Gujrati, Punjabi all united as India. Although they are different in their unique way which is absolute fine and in fact is very much welcomed they are all Indians. You have white Indians, black Indians, Chinese Indians and so forth.

If Multiculturalism were to be interpreted in India according to the Canadian Charter of Rights and freedom then Keralites will not be united with Punjabis , Bengalis will not be united with Gujratis and so forth, they would be celebrating their differences without being united as Indians.

Therefore we have to understand where our identity lies first and then how can we unite as Canadians we are in serious need of a United Canadian National Front or a Canadian Nationalist Party that would be the eyes and ears of the diverse Canadians in the local level and a leader representing them at the national level. Unfortunately nationalism is something that's missing in Canada, we have such a big and beautiful country but sadly have absolutely nothing to offer in a global level, more than half our companies are owned by U.S. More than half our real estate in major cities is owned by foreigners (the average price of a detached home in Vancouver is only $800,000), our national carrier Air Canada is bleeding to death. The amount of government bureaucracy and red tape is ridiculous which is why its hard for Canadians to export major resources (oil, gas, coal, metals, lumber), the civil laws are a joke especially when it comes to protecting your property and family from being robbed by thieves
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2011/04/07/lucky-moose-election.html
Word is going around countries if you want to take up a profession as a thief and get pardoned choose Canada.

I am not even going to start on the prospects of highly educated and skilled immigrants. The unfortunate thing is there is no communication and transparency among immigration minister and labour minister, nor is there any transparency among consumers and companies (we go shopping south of the border cause its hard to find deals in this country), no communication between the police chief or justice minister. Its like you are building a house but the electrician does not talk to the plumber, the plumber does not talk to the mason, mason dosn't talk to the carpenter.. what kind of house are we going to build?

If we as a nation really embrace multiculturalism its useless hanging and framing it on the wall and calling it “The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedom”, how many CEOs of Canadian companies are black? How may brown people have we appointed judges in the supreme court of Canada? When was the last time we had a Chinese- Canadian prime minister?

So before we get too concerned about who is bringing the shariah law and get all excited there are more important things we need to fix. We need to take a step back and re-think what it means to be Canadian and address issues such as Nationalism, race and identity before we go any further.

Very well said newtone!