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Can someone apply Citizenship after completing eligibility and leaving temporarily for abroad?

robinsinghsobti

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Hi Guys, I want to ask for my wife, who will complete 3 years out of last 5 years in Canada in 2021. However as soon as she will complete these 3 years, she'll need to leave Canada for study in the US for 2 years. My question regarding this is: Can she still apply for citizenship even after living outside Canada?
 

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Your wife needs to apply before she moves to the US. The eligibility period is 5 years back from the date you sign your application form.More days you spend outside as the time moves ahead less days you will have of physical presence.
 
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robinsinghsobti

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Your wife needs to apply before she moves to the US. The eligibility period is 5 years back from the date you sign your application form.More days you spend outside as the time moves ahead less days you will have of physical presence.
Thanks for your response. So does that mean that she can mail the application the day when she completes 3 years and leave the next day?
 

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Always advisable that unless have never ever been out of the country for a single day in the 5 years prior to applying to have a couple months buffer as opposed to leaving on day 1096 to avoid any doubts should physcal presence be challenged. Basically your decision on what you all feel comfortable with.

Also of course keep in mind the need to have a valid PR card for any travel back to Canada friom the US.
 

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Yes she can I believe and she needs to stay eligible even after applying, for more information please see below
https://www.cic.gc.ca/english/helpcentre/answer.asp?qnum=911&top=5
"If you don’t reply within the time frame and don’t provide an acceptable reason for not being able to keep your appointment with us or providing requested information, we may stop processing your application. "

I guess IRCC stops processing if applicant is not in Canada.
 
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"If you don’t reply within the time frame and don’t provide an acceptable reason for not being able to keep your appointment with us or providing requested information, we may stop processing your application. "

I guess IRCC stops processing if applicant is not in Canada.
One of the things to keep in mind if planning to leave Canada for a while after submitting an application is being prepared possibly at short notice to return to Canada. Being a no show of course can have a negative effect on the application and being outside of Canada needs to be a good convincing excuse
 
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Thanks for your response. So does that mean that she can mail the application the day when she completes 3 years and leave the next day?
To be on the safer side, have some additional buffer days (say one week or more) to cover any days missed out while calculating physical presence. So she has to send the application before leaving. Make sure all the necessary documents are attached, all the data are precise. You should not have any issues and it should not get rejected. Also she she should come for the Citizenship test and the ceremony (say after 9-12 months minimum before. Now it may go up as they have tonnes of backlog)
 
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1) Have a buffer. In case anything goes wrong (forgetting a vacation, an agent unsure whether the threshold was reached...), well...
2) Make sure your wife still complies with the PR residency obligations at all times. If her application takes too much time (with covid, no buffer, and living abroad, could happen!), she may be in a situation where she spent less than 2 years in 5. In which case, no citizenship, and no PR either. This really matters if an important chunk of the 3 years she spent in Canada was at the beginning of the 5 years eligibility period. It should be OK if she spent 3 years here continuously -or with few absences- right before applying.

That being said, she's free to go wherever she wants after her application was mailed. The application will still be processed, but some additional scrinity could be on the menu.
 
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"I was on a business trip in Europe on October 11 last year, when the new bill came into the force, and I immediately prepared and mailed the application from abroad. There were no issues/delays because of that during the citizenship procedure.

Later notice times for test/interview, and ceremony were around three weeks. "

Source: https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/applying-for-citizenship-from-abroad.584326/post-7253681

Thread: https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/applying-for-citizenship-from-abroad.584326/#post-7253681
 
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"If you don’t reply within the time frame and don’t provide an acceptable reason for not being able to keep your appointment with us or providing requested information, we may stop processing your application. "

I guess IRCC stops processing if applicant is not in Canada.
IRCC doesn't stop processing just because you are outside website says :
If you don’t reply within the time frame and don’t provide an acceptable reason for not being able to keep your appointment with us or providing requested information, we may stop processing your application. "
As long as you show up for test and Oath you should be fine.
 

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Hi Guys, I want to ask for my wife, who will complete 3 years out of last 5 years in Canada in 2021. However as soon as she will complete these 3 years, she'll need to leave Canada for study in the US for 2 years. My question regarding this is: Can she still apply for citizenship even after living outside Canada?
As others have suggested, a big consideration is being sure to have enough of a margin over the minimum to
(1) be sure there are no mistakes that could reduce the number of days to less than 1095; just one day short would require DENYING the application;​
(2) have enough of a margin over the minimum to avoid concerns about meeting the presence requirement in order to reduce the risk of non-routine processing and potentially lengthy delays​

The second of these is a personal judgment call. The first is critical, as it makes the difference in whether the application is denied or not. The second is about reducing the risk of lengthy delays. Applicants who go abroad for extended periods of time while the citizenship application is in process PROBABLY face a significantly increased risk of non-routine processing and delays anyway.

Beyond that there are logistical risks, which others have addressed, the main ones being the risk of missing notices or otherwise failing to timely respond to requests or failing to appear for a scheduled event.

Comments asserting that IRCC does not stop processing a citizenship application "just" because the applicant is outside Canada tend to be misleading, glossing over the potential for a total stranger bureaucrat having questions leading to concerns, leading to elevated scrutiny and non-routine processing. It warrants noting, in particular, that historically CIC/IRCC has in fact long approached extended absences after applying as a potential reason-to-question-residency and there is nothing in currently published information which says current policy is otherwise (many quote IRCC policy statements about TRAVELING abroad while the application is pending; living abroad is NOT the same as "traveling" abroad).

It appears this is NOT a focus of concern to the same extent it was in the past (indeed, for a short time, under the Harper government, living abroad while the application was pending was a stand-alone ground for rejecting the application, based on a statutory provision the Liberal government repealed). Moreover, even when it was a focus of attention and concern, anecdotal reporting in forums (including this one) suggested that citizenship applicants who were abroad for more or less obviously temporary reasons, including to attend educational programs in particular, often did not encounter the elevated scrutiny, non-routine processing, or delays that others did when they simply moved abroad or went abroad to work.

All of which is to (1) recognize that applicants abroad for extended periods of time tend to have a higher risk for non-routine processing and delays, but (2) the extent of the risk is very difficult to discern and appears to vary considerably.

Overall, to be clear, going and staying abroad is NOT PROHIBITED. BUT there are RISKS. Logistical risks. And a difficult to assess risk of elevated scrutiny, potentially non-routine processing.

The latter, the risk of elevated scrutiny, should be a key consideration in how much of a buffer over the minimum presence requirement the applicant has when making the application.
 

robinsinghsobti

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As others have suggested, a big consideration is being sure to have enough of a margin over the minimum to
(1) be sure there are no mistakes that could reduce the number of days to less than 1095; just one day short would require DENYING the application;​
(2) have enough of a margin over the minimum to avoid concerns about meeting the presence requirement in order to reduce the risk of non-routine processing and potentially lengthy delays​

The second of these is a personal judgment call. The first is critical, as it makes the difference in whether the application is denied or not. The second is about reducing the risk of lengthy delays. Applicants who go abroad for extended periods of time while the citizenship application is in process PROBABLY face a significantly increased risk of non-routine processing and delays anyway.

Beyond that there are logistical risks, which others have addressed, the main ones being the risk of missing notices or otherwise failing to timely respond to requests or failing to appear for a scheduled event.

Comments asserting that IRCC does not stop processing a citizenship application "just" because the applicant is outside Canada tend to be misleading, glossing over the potential for a total stranger bureaucrat having questions leading to concerns, leading to elevated scrutiny and non-routine processing. It warrants noting, in particular, that historically CIC/IRCC has in fact long approached extended absences after applying as a potential reason-to-question-residency and there is nothing in currently published information which says current policy is otherwise (many quote IRCC policy statements about TRAVELING abroad while the application is pending; living abroad is NOT the same as "traveling" abroad).

It appears this is NOT a focus of concern to the same extent it was in the past (indeed, for a short time, under the Harper government, living abroad while the application was pending was a stand-alone ground for rejecting the application, based on a statutory provision the Liberal government repealed). Moreover, even when it was a focus of attention and concern, anecdotal reporting in forums (including this one) suggested that citizenship applicants who were abroad for more or less obviously temporary reasons, including to attend educational programs in particular, often did not encounter the elevated scrutiny, non-routine processing, or delays that others did when they simply moved abroad or went abroad to work.

All of which is to (1) recognize that applicants abroad for extended periods of time tend to have a higher risk for non-routine processing and delays, but (2) the extent of the risk is very difficult to discern and appears to vary considerably.

Overall, to be clear, going and staying abroad is NOT PROHIBITED. BUT there are RISKS. Logistical risks. And a difficult to assess risk of elevated scrutiny, potentially non-routine processing.

The latter, the risk of elevated scrutiny, should be a key consideration in how much of a buffer over the minimum presence requirement the applicant has when making the application.
Wow, much thanks for a detailed and well analyzed response! We didn't know about these risks. Seems like we'll need to reconsider our plans of temporarily moving to US.