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Fatima1989

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Hi my file is IP since Sep18
My friend file was IP since Sep 19 but he got test invite but I didn’t , we both are from same city .

So my question IP mean file is transfer to the local office ? Or still in Nova Scotia

Thanks
 

k300k3

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Hi my file is IP since Sep18
My friend file was IP since Sep 19 but he got test invite but I didn’t , we both are from same city .

So my question IP mean file is transfer to the local office ? Or still in Nova Scotia

Thanks
You wouldn’t know unless you request the GCMS notes
 

simpsol22

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Hi my file is IP since Sep18
My friend file was IP since Sep 19 but he got test invite but I didn’t , we both are from same city .

So my question IP mean file is transfer to the local office ? Or still in Nova Scotia

Thanks
Yes it does mean transferred to local office. This is the description of in process on ECAS...
"Application In Process
Your file has been sent to the Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada (IRCC) office closest to your home for processing."

https://services3.cic.gc.ca/ecas/redir.do?redir=app_gra&lang=en&app=
 

itsmyid

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Yes it does mean transferred to local office. This is the description of in process on ECAS...
"Application In Process
Your file has been sent to the Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada (IRCC) office closest to your home for processing."

https://services3.cic.gc.ca/ecas/redir.do?redir=app_gra&lang=en&app=
No it only means in theory it is transferred to local office , but in reality it means nothing

my file never left Nova Scotia until more than 7 months after IP - based on the GCMS report
 

dpenabill

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Hi my file is IP since Sep18
My friend file was IP since Sep 19 but he got test invite but I didn’t , we both are from same city .

So my question IP mean file is transfer to the local office ? Or still in Nova Scotia

Thanks
Response by @simpsol22 covers it.

Yes it does mean transferred to local office. This is the description of in process on ECAS...
"Application In Process
Your file has been sent to the Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada (IRCC) office closest to your home for processing."

https://services3.cic.gc.ca/ecas/redir.do?redir=app_gra&lang=en&app=
BUT for CLARIFICATION: That does not necessarily mean the local office has logged receipt of the file or otherwise taken any action on it.

This is similar to AOR. It is weeks, sometime months, sometimes several months, AFTER applicants have SENT their application to the CPC-Sydney, and for those who use a confirmation of delivery service to send it, months AFTER it is known that CPC-Sydney actually has the file, BEFORE CPC-Sydney acknowledges it has the application. Any effort to check GCMS for the location of the file between the date it was SENT and in fact received, and the AOR date, will NOT show the application to be in CPC-Sydney. But that is where it is (with limited exceptions, such as file already in mail being returned; and perhaps some applications are referred for a "Secondary Review" rather than sent to the local office).

This is similar to what happens when files are referred (sent) from CPC-Sydney to the local office . . . except that it is not uncommon for a local office to take an even longer period of time to, in effect, take some action on the file so that GCMS will show that the file is in the local office. That is, CPC-Sydney has SENT the file but in GCMS it does not appear that the file is in the respective local office until sometime later.

Which quite likely explains:

No it only means in theory it is transferred to local office , but in reality it means nothing

my file never left Nova Scotia until more than 7 months after IP - based on the GCMS report
Cannot for sure explain where your file was when.

BUT, that said, once your application had In Process status, it is most likely it was indeed transferred to the local office and had indeed left Nova Scotia. Rather, GCMS did not show it in the local office, as such, because the local office had taken no action on the file, having done nothing yet to even acknowledge or show the file to be in the local office. In contrast, so long as GCMS confirmed the application was "IP" (In Progress), actually GCMS was showing the file had been SENT from CPC-Sydney to the respective local office. (With exceptions as noted above.)

It is often misguided to rely on GCMS in an effort to obtain information about an application before getting formal notice of this or that. Among events which typically occur before GCMS shows the event there are:
-- physical receipt of the application itself occurs, at the least weeks and usually a month or three, before GCMS shows the file in Sydney
-- file located in local office occurs weeks or months before GCMS might show local office possession of the file
-- formal background clearances from RCMP or CSIS are often complete well before GCMS notes will reflect this (this too is similar to how AOR works; the clearance is done and sent to the file but does not show in GCMS until a local office officer takes some action on the file and in effect registers the clearances)​

These are just SOME of the many reasons why obtaining GCMS notes is a wasted effort for most applicants. (Which is NOT to diminish the importance of obtaining GCMS notes, or the physical file, in circumstances warranting more proactive measures.)
 
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itsmyid

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Response by @simpsol22 covers it.



BUT for CLARIFICATION: That does not necessarily mean the local office has logged receipt of the file or otherwise taken any action on it.

This is similar to AOR. It is weeks, sometime months, sometimes several months, AFTER applicants have SENT their application to the CPC-Sydney, and for those who use a confirmation of delivery service to send it, months AFTER it is known that CPC-Sydney actually has the file, BEFORE CPC-Sydney acknowledges it has the application. Any effort to check GCMS for the location of the file between the date it was SENT and in fact received, and the AOR date, will NOT show the application to be in CPC-Sydney. But that is where it is (with limited exceptions, such as file already in mail being returned; and perhaps some applications are referred for a "Secondary Review" rather than sent to the local office).

This is similar to what happens when files are referred (sent) from CPC-Sydney to the local office . . . except that it is not uncommon for a local office to take an even longer period of time to, in effect, take some action on the file so that GCMS will show that the file is in the local office. That is, CPC-Sydney has SENT the file but in GCMS it does not appear that the file is in the respective local office until sometime later.

Which quite likely explains:



Cannot for sure explain where your file was when.

BUT, that said, once your application had In Process status, it is most likely it was indeed transferred to the local office and had indeed left Nova Scotia. Rather, GCMS did not show it in the local office, as such, because the local office had taken no action on the file, having done nothing yet to even acknowledge or show the file to be in the local office. In contrast, so long as GCMS confirmed the application was "IP" (In Progress), actually GCMS was showing the file had been SENT from CPC-Sydney to the respective local office. (With exceptions as noted above.)

It is often misguided to rely on GCMS in an effort to obtain information about an application before getting formal notice of this or that. Among events which typically occur before GCMS shows the event there are:
-- physical receipt of the application itself occurs, at the least weeks and usually a month or three, before GCMS shows the file in Sydney
-- file located in local office occurs weeks or months before GCMS might show local office possession of the file
-- formal background clearances from RCMP or CSIS are often complete well before GCMS notes will reflect this (this too is similar to how AOR works; the clearance is done and sent to the file but does not show in GCMS until a local office officer takes some action on the file and in effect registers the clearances)​

These are just SOME of the many reasons why obtaining GCMS notes is a wasted effort for most applicants. (Which is NOT to diminish the importance of obtaining GCMS notes, or the physical file, in circumstances warranting more proactive measures.)
well, in my case, it was IP since December of 2017, but based on my GCMS , it wasn’t in the “ in transfer “ status until much later in May or June, and the physical location of my file wasn’t updated to local office till late in the fall
 

dpenabill

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well, in my case, it was IP since December of 2017, but based on my GCMS , it wasn’t in the “ in transfer “ status until much later in May or June, and the physical location of my file wasn’t updated to local office till late in the fall
As I noted, there are exceptions. Between "IP" and arrival at a local office one of the more common, but not the only exception or diversion, appears to be an internal referral of some applications (a very small number) to be reviewed further, which is a path to Secondary Review, which in turn is likely triggered by a range of concerns, from security or PR status concerns, to more specific matters like reviewing a PR-refugee's application if there are indications a referral for cessation of protected person status is warranted.

And of course, all this taking place in the real world, there are always some anomalies. Very few in number.

Finally, client-obtained GCMS notes are notoriously out-of-date (see three examples outlined in my previous post; there are others), rife with default codes, and in various respects NOT a reliable source of detailed information about the status of a file.

All of which illustrates why extrapolating much at all from anecdotal reports based on client-obtained GCMS notes is, at the very best, precarious.

Bottom-line, for ROUTINELY processed applications, as observed by @simpsol22, a citizenship application "In Process" has been "sent" by CPC-Sydney to the local office. And even for MOST NON-ROUTINELY processed applications, this is also the case. Exceptions noted.
 

mikek27

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Response by @simpsol22 covers it.



BUT for CLARIFICATION: That does not necessarily mean the local office has logged receipt of the file or otherwise taken any action on it.

This is similar to AOR. It is weeks, sometime months, sometimes several months, AFTER applicants have SENT their application to the CPC-Sydney, and for those who use a confirmation of delivery service to send it, months AFTER it is known that CPC-Sydney actually has the file, BEFORE CPC-Sydney acknowledges it has the application. Any effort to check GCMS for the location of the file between the date it was SENT and in fact received, and the AOR date, will NOT show the application to be in CPC-Sydney. But that is where it is (with limited exceptions, such as file already in mail being returned; and perhaps some applications are referred for a "Secondary Review" rather than sent to the local office).

This is similar to what happens when files are referred (sent) from CPC-Sydney to the local office . . . except that it is not uncommon for a local office to take an even longer period of time to, in effect, take some action on the file so that GCMS will show that the file is in the local office. That is, CPC-Sydney has SENT the file but in GCMS it does not appear that the file is in the respective local office until sometime later.

Which quite likely explains:



Cannot for sure explain where your file was when.

BUT, that said, once your application had In Process status, it is most likely it was indeed transferred to the local office and had indeed left Nova Scotia. Rather, GCMS did not show it in the local office, as such, because the local office had taken no action on the file, having done nothing yet to even acknowledge or show the file to be in the local office. In contrast, so long as GCMS confirmed the application was "IP" (In Progress), actually GCMS was showing the file had been SENT from CPC-Sydney to the respective local office. (With exceptions as noted above.)

It is often misguided to rely on GCMS in an effort to obtain information about an application before getting formal notice of this or that. Among events which typically occur before GCMS shows the event there are:
-- physical receipt of the application itself occurs, at the least weeks and usually a month or three, before GCMS shows the file in Sydney
-- file located in local office occurs weeks or months before GCMS might show local office possession of the file
-- formal background clearances from RCMP or CSIS are often complete well before GCMS notes will reflect this (this too is similar to how AOR works; the clearance is done and sent to the file but does not show in GCMS until a local office officer takes some action on the file and in effect registers the clearances)​

These are just SOME of the many reasons why obtaining GCMS notes is a wasted effort for most applicants. (Which is NOT to diminish the importance of obtaining GCMS notes, or the physical file, in circumstances warranting more proactive measures.)

@dpenabill One question:

It seems to take approx 2-3 months from date of delivery to date of AOR.
But for applications being returned (say for missing documents etc etc.) , what is the average timeline ?
It seems abit sooner ? 1.5 months ?

Another question:

I signed & sent out my application on 8 October this year , it was delivered on 10 October.
on 10 October (that same day) , i took a scheduled flight to Cuba for a weekend thanksgiving vacation for a few days.
Is that ok ?
 

dpenabill

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@dpenabill One question:

It seems to take approx 2-3 months from date of delivery to date of AOR.
But for applications being returned (say for missing documents etc etc.) , what is the average timeline ?
It seems abit sooner ? 1.5 months ?

Another question:

I signed & sent out my application on 8 October this year , it was delivered on 10 October.
on 10 October (that same day) , i took a scheduled flight to Cuba for a weekend thanksgiving vacation for a few days.
Is that ok ?
See response in the topic you started "question on returned application."

There are others here who follow particular timelines a lot more closely than I do. I tend to follow larger patterns or trends related to the few matters I am following. So others should be able to offer more current information about reported timelines for returned applications.

Similarly, the procedures involved in applications being returned for incompleteness are not something I follow or ordinarily comment about. (In contrast, I sometimes engage in discussions about reasons for applications being deemed in complete.)

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