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FBI Background with new Canadian citizenship rule 2017

abdoulome

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Jan 9, 2014
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Hey all,
I am a PR who moved to Canada from the States on July 9th 2014. One of the requirements to move to Canada was to submit a FBI background check, It was submitted right before I got my PR card. Now that I am eligible for the citizenship, I am trying to figure out if I need to submit another FBI background check . it would make no sense because the longest I have been outside of Canada was no more than 2 weeks and it was once and just 3 or 4 trips for a few days in the states . Do I still need to submit a FBI background check ?
On cic website, they are talking about long trips ..it`s doesn`t apply to me but the fact that I have been here for 3 years and prior to that I was in the states although a background check was submitted...not sure if it applies to me or not . anyone has been in the same situation ?
Thanks.
 

dpenabill

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Apr 2, 2010
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Hey all,
I am a PR who moved to Canada from the States on July 9th 2014. One of the requirements to move to Canada was to submit a FBI background check, It was submitted right before I got my PR card. Now that I am eligible for the citizenship, I am trying to figure out if I need to submit another FBI background check . it would make no sense because the longest I have been outside of Canada was no more than 2 weeks and it was once and just 3 or 4 trips for a few days in the states . Do I still need to submit a FBI background check ?
On cic website, they are talking about long trips ..it`s doesn`t apply to me but the fact that I have been here for 3 years and prior to that I was in the states although a background check was submitted...not sure if it applies to me or not . anyone has been in the same situation ?
Thanks.
Short answer is to submit a police certificate if you were in the U.S. a total of 183 or more days during the four years preceding the date you apply.

For an application made October 15, 2017, count the days in the U.S. between October 15, 2013 and October 14, 2017. If they add up to 183 or more, send a police certificate.

That's what the instructions state.



Longer explanation:

There are two parts to your query.

One is whether or not you need to submit a police certificate.

To answer that question, you need to know whether to check "yes" or "no" to the question about whether you were in another country for 183 or more days in the preceding four years. For the applicant who applies on October 15, 2017, the answer is "yes" if the applicant spent a total of 183 or more days in another country between October 15, 2013 and October 14, 2017. Checking "yes" requires submitting a police certificate or explaining why one cannot be provided. No exceptions or exemptions are noted. Thus, it is not particularly complicated.



The other part is whether a previously issued police certificate might suffice or whether a new one needs to be submitted. Few applicants will have an old original police certificate. What about sending a copy of an old police certificate the original of which was sent to CIC or IRCC earlier in time?

The question is whether
-- the application will be returned as incomplete, or
-- the application will be processed, subject to
-- -- IRCC asking the applicant to submit an updated police certificate, or
-- -- IRCC actually accepting the old certificate

The risk is high that either the application is returned, as incomplete, or the applicant is later required to submit an updated police certificate. In either of these events, there will be a significant delay in processing the application.

How big is the risk?

A key element in that has to do with the timeliness of the police certificate.

Last I looked, IRCC information about police certificate expiry was still about clearances for visa applications rather than citizenship. Generally IRCC requires the certificate be less than a specified number of months old or that it have been issued since the last time the individual lived in that country.

But for citizenship, the criteria for triggering the police certificate requirement does not depend on living in the other country, and as the instructions make clear, even brief stays in the other country are to be included in the calculation.

My guess: an older police certificate should suffice so long as it was issed since the last time the applicant was in that other country. Or, the converse, that an older police certificate will NOT suffice unless the applicant has not been in that country since the certificate was issued.
 

ChippyBoy

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Dec 5, 2016
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Hey all,
I am a PR who moved to Canada from the States on July 9th 2014. One of the requirements to move to Canada was to submit a FBI background check, It was submitted right before I got my PR card. Now that I am eligible for the citizenship, I am trying to figure out if I need to submit another FBI background check . it would make no sense because the longest I have been outside of Canada was no more than 2 weeks and it was once and just 3 or 4 trips for a few days in the states . Do I still need to submit a FBI background check ?
On cic website, they are talking about long trips ..it`s doesn`t apply to me but the fact that I have been here for 3 years and prior to that I was in the states although a background check was submitted...not sure if it applies to me or not . anyone has been in the same situation ?
Thanks.
You're in the same boat as me. I took up PR here in Canada six months before you did, & I'd been working in the US right before I moved up here. After C-6 passed in Parliament back in June, I figured that I'd need an FBI police clearance letter for my now-imminent C-6 application and I've been waiting since mid-July to receive mine from the FBI in West Virginia. Like you, I'd had one done back in 2013 in order to get my PR up here, but I'm not going to rely on CIC/IRCC accepting that old one now, especially as I've made several trips down to the US since I took up my PR here in Canada.
 

etkuo

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Dec 9, 2014
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My guess: an older police certificate should suffice so long as it was issed since the last time the applicant was in that other country. Or, the converse, that an older police certificate will NOT suffice unless the applicant has not been in that country since the certificate was issued.
That would be my guess too. But here is a question. I travel frequent to the US for work. If I request a FBI police certificate and it takes 3 months for me to get it and I apply for my Citizenship right afterwards, during those 3 months that I wait for my police certificate, I am still travelling into the US for my work. How would that work in my situation?
 

abdoulome

Full Member
Jan 9, 2014
20
1
Hey dpenabill + the other folks,
thanks for the feedback. honestly I don't think submitting an old fbi background (copy) will be accepted. I am not saying they are stupid, there is a flaw in the current rule. I am not sure if I should call them because I don`t think they would have the answer. usually they make you turn around....kind of sucks to order a fbi background . I will think about this and see my options because when you think about , already submitted one . they should at least ask a background check for my time in Canada ..

Short answer is to submit a police certificate if you were in the U.S. a total of 183 or more days during the four years preceding the date you apply.

For an application made October 15, 2017, count the days in the U.S. between October 15, 2013 and October 14, 2017. If they add up to 183 or more, send a police certificate.

That's what the instructions state.



Longer explanation:

There are two parts to your query.

One is whether or not you need to submit a police certificate.

To answer that question, you need to know whether to check "yes" or "no" to the question about whether you were in another country for 183 or more days in the preceding four years. For the applicant who applies on October 15, 2017, the answer is "yes" if the applicant spent a total of 183 or more days in another country between October 15, 2013 and October 14, 2017. Checking "yes" requires submitting a police certificate or explaining why one cannot be provided. No exceptions or exemptions are noted. Thus, it is not particularly complicated.



The other part is whether a previously issued police certificate might suffice or whether a new one needs to be submitted. Few applicants will have an old original police certificate. What about sending a copy of an old police certificate the original of which was sent to CIC or IRCC earlier in time?

The question is whether
-- the application will be returned as incomplete, or
-- the application will be processed, subject to
-- -- IRCC asking the applicant to submit an updated police certificate, or
-- -- IRCC actually accepting the old certificate

The risk is high that either the application is returned, as incomplete, or the applicant is later required to submit an updated police certificate. In either of these events, there will be a significant delay in processing the application.

How big is the risk?

A key element in that has to do with the timeliness of the police certificate.

Last I looked, IRCC information about police certificate expiry was still about clearances for visa applications rather than citizenship. Generally IRCC requires the certificate be less than a specified number of months old or that it have been issued since the last time the individual lived in that country.

But for citizenship, the criteria for triggering the police certificate requirement does not depend on living in the other country, and as the instructions make clear, even brief stays in the other country are to be included in the calculation.

My guess: an older police certificate should suffice so long as it was issed since the last time the applicant was in that other country. Or, the converse, that an older police certificate will NOT suffice unless the applicant has not been in that country since the certificate was issued.
 

dpenabill

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Apr 2, 2010
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That would be my guess too. But here is a question. I travel frequent to the US for work. If I request a FBI police certificate and it takes 3 months for me to get it and I apply for my Citizenship right afterwards, during those 3 months that I wait for my police certificate, I am still travelling into the US for my work. How would that work in my situation?
My opinion: no problem. I am no expert. But I don't think any guessing is necessary for this one . . . I am just not sure how recent the clearance needs to be. Three months old I'd posture no problem for sure.

In particular, I have not recently checked what IRCC considers a timely police check for visa applications. Whatever that timeliness standard is will almost certainly suffice for a citizenship application. At times in the past CIC required police certificates be no more than three months old, with some exceptions. As I recall, however, more recently it has been six months . . . and valid for a full year for an application in process.

My bet is that IRCC is not all that strict about this for citizenship applicants . . . unless something triggers concerns about the applicant . . . or if there is an extended period of time living in the other country right before or after the application is made.

For the U.S. in particular, remember that IRCC accesses the U.S. name-record criminal records databases (or a version of it shared with Canada), and probably does this multiple times in the course of processing the application. My sense is that the formal U.S. clearance is required mostly because the required fingerprints allow for a more thorough check based on a more definitive identification of the applicant.
 
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punk

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Waoo Man. You guys are waiting since July. That's a long wait. I should've applied much earlier too. Will send the documents today.
 

J24

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Oct 12, 2017
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Hi, new to the forum here.

I have a question about the FBI security clearance, has anyone applied before receiving that certificate? Because , I am at school in the US now and by waiting I am actually losing days and not knowing how long it will be to get this FBI certificate. I am seeing various estimates.
 

gaggi10

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if you are us citizen you can get in 2-3 weeks if you applied through FBI approved channler thats what i read today because i have to apply for my mother she is us citizen so that the better way to get it quickly
 

gaggi10

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For U.S. citizens and permanent residents only: you may apply to an FBI-approved channeler (a third party that helps deliver your information to the FBI). They will collect your application form, fingerprints, any fee(s), and give them to the FBI.

Once the FBI completes their background check, they will send the results to the channeler. The channeler will then then give you your record check letter.

Please include the FBI letter with your application, and send us the complete package. that what written on cic.gc.ca
 

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I'm still in Canada, as a US citizen can I have the RCMP or since I'm in Quebec, the SQ do them? Or do I have to go to the states? I would need the FBI check. I just want to see what my options are. The three hour drive to my parents ( the local police did them last time) could do it but I'd rather do it local. If so, do I need to print off the fingerprint card ahead of time or just the form? Last time I didn't. TIA.