Fundamental Reason for Processing Delays is the 80% - 20% Standard of CIC

[Politren]

Not really..They are technically always meeting their target because they ARE able to process 80% of the applications within 12 months of receipt. I pointed out because most of the commentators understand it the other way around. They think 80-20 rule means that at least 20% of applications will be delayed. Which is not the case. It means "At Most" 20% applications will be delayed. It could be delayed for 2%, or 10% or 20%, but never beyond 20%.

Unfortunately, CIC is ultimately a service provider, and that is how service industry works. Once they have breached SLA on a particular application, there is simply no incentive for them to complete it as soon as possible. It's like saying once you have failed an exam, does not matter how badly you have failed. However, it is indeed an unfair system.

Exactly this is my point that from practical end result is indeed unfair system.

At the moment I still can't find the reports from the last couple of years that CIC admitted that they were able to process only around 60% of all applications on time and therefore they were unable to keep the 80% benchmark.

If someone can find those reports it will be great, I remember they were uploaded on the CIC website. (Unfortunately I just cant find them anymore, maybe they are down)

So this is another example that 80% is their maximum, which directly means that minimum 20% of us have to deal with the unknown delays.
That's why I am saying that the delays are build up into the fundamentals of the CIC by keeping this absurd standard still effective.

Like you said, once the application is failed to be processed within the initial timeframe, the focus is shifted to somewhere else and those applications start to collect dust.

Super nasty and cruel system.

 

[Diplomatru]

Exactly the 80% is their goal and once this goal is not met there is unknown amount of time remaining for the final decision of the rest.

All of you are basically saying the very same thing I did at the very beginning.

There is fundamental problem with these delays.

Everything will be fine if all the time they are aiming to process 100% of the applications within the initial timeframe. But that clearly will NOT going to happen.

Politren, it's my understanding that you misinterpret this formula. What it means (at least in my opinion) is that some applications are not straight-forward, hence they are not taken into account when the processing times are calculated. I don't understand the logic behind IRCC statisticians, because, for instance, spousal sponsorship processing delay is generalized across ALL visa offices. So, the figure that we see on the website, makes NO SENSE at all. The same applies to 12 months for Cit. as some applications take 4 months to DM. The real problem is centered around the absence of service delivery targets, which is NOT ACCEPTABLE for a fee-based service.

 

[Politren]

Politren, it's my understanding that you misinterpret this formula. What it means (at least in my opinion) is that some applications are not straight-forward, hence they are not taken into account when the processing times are calculated. I don't understand the logic behind IRCC statisticians, because, for instance, spousal sponsorship processing delay is generalized across ALL visa offices. So, the figure that we see on the website, makes NO SENSE at all. The same applies to 12 months for Cit. as some applications take 4 months to DM. The real problem is centered around the absence of service delivery targets, which is NOT ACCEPTABLE for a fee-based service.

I am looking at what is going on practically as end results. There are many instances recently where applicants are wondering why their application is stuck for a long time without any request from CIC for extra documents. Straight forward applications sitting for a long time without any process being made on them.

This standard explains what exactly is going on, they were just unlucky to be part of the 20%. That doesn't means that there is a problem with their applications.

CIC just work that way. No accountability , no liability.

Pure lottery.

 

[Politren]

Most of us soon will enter into this lottery , so it would be very helpful if someone knows to share when to apply in order to make the chances very slim to get into the unlucky 20%.

Definitely the timing of the application matters here, but the question is when is the most appropriate timing to apply...
for example the beginning of the month or the end of the month?
Avoiding the fiscal end or not?
Should we avoid big upcoming holidays or not?
Or maybe the CIC is making these estimates on a quarterly basis per year?

If someone has observations regarding this it would be very helpful.

 

[sudanese one]

There is no formula

 

[Politren]

There is no formula

Living in a place where the local office works fast or normal will help for sure to avoid being part of the unlucky 20%.
Applying when the general intake is low (like now and until the effective date of the proposed 3/5 rule) is also helpful factor to avoid the 20%.

The timing is very important also.

I am working still on some other findings.

 

[mwabu1976]

The CIC does not follow any standard or system evaluating the application. It is true that some applications are unique, but it is clear that CIC does not have any standard procedure. I have seen many cases that are identical in which some processed fast and the others delayed for years. It all depend on the judgment of the officer reviwing your file. Even I have seen many applicants that did not meet all the requirments and still got their application processed normally. On the other hand, many decent applicants are waitting for years.

It is all about the number of days the applicant have in Canada. So, what matters is the entry and exits from Canada. Can CIC get these information? the answer is yes. However, the CIC does not seems as if they want to make things clear and simple. Why? I really don't know.

 

[Politren]

The CIC does not follow any standard or system evaluating the application. It is true that some applications are unique, but it is clear that CIC does not have any standard procedure. I have seen many cases that are identical in which some processed fast and the others delayed for years. It all depend on the judgment of the officer reviwing your file. Even I have seen many applicants that did not meet all the requirments and still got their application processed normally. On the other hand, many decent applicants are waitting for years.

It is all about the number of days the applicant have in Canada. So, what matters is the entry and exits from Canada. Can CIC get these information? the answer is yes. However, the CIC does not seems as if they want to make things clear and simple. Why? I really don't know.

It is a standard in a sense that from now we know that there will be minimum 20% which will definitely experience delays. The decent applications which are waiting for years are representing exactly the unlucky 20%.
Of course that it depends on the officer, if he/she sees that he/she will not finish the application on time (in the current case on time is within 12 months) that application automatically is transferred into the bucked of 20% , hence the processing is suspended and the application start to collect dust.
Absolutely correct that the application can be absolutely solid without any issues, but once it falls into the unlucky 20% then , there is simply no deadline for final decision.
This is why the general load of volume over the officers matters big time here.
If the volume is low the chances to be into the 20% is getting very slim.

This is why it seems that the timing of when to submit an application plays very important role.

 

[Politren]

There is no formula

You recently bought a Airplane Ticket and as some similar reports in the resent past suggested this actually helps to make CIC progress farther an application.

Just another prove that CIC has access to the Airplane Ticket database.

Congrats once again Sudanese.

 

[asaif]

It's not a lottery. It follows the CO political agenda. Some want to accomplish with their executive powers what they couldn't achieve in the elections. There are more Trumpists among us that you think.

 

[mwabu1976]

Just another prove that CIC has access to the Airplane Ticket database.

This is a fact that doesn't need a prove. CIC knows all the entry and exit records. However, they use this when it is in their favor. When they just want to say NO to an application and such record are not in their favor, they simply neglected and ask for other proofs trying to find someting to help them say no. This is not done to all applications but there are many officers that follow such approch evaluating applications and hurting insent people.

 

[ZingyDNA]

I think this is the real problem, not the 80%-20% thing. The difference between 13 and 30 months should be a lot bigger than 6 and 13 months, not the other way around.

However, it is interesting to note that once an application has breached the 12 months mark, there is no real intensive for CIC to fasten it's processing.
Because KPI wise, it makes no difference if an application took 13 months, or 30 months, as long as it has already breached the SLA.

 

[Politren]

I think this is the real problem, not the 80%-20% thing. The difference between 13 and 30 months should be a lot bigger than 6 and 13 months, not the other way around.

I remember that this 80% -20% standard have been there for a long time. The message was something like "80% of the applications have been processed within ... months" which means that always minimum 20% will face delays.

Both things are interrelated. Once they cannot process an application on time (12 months) it is automatically transferred to the unknown waiting portion of the unlucky minimum 20%