is it on purpose

[bestofluck]

i have clb9 but when I see deserving person d0 not get good crs score just because of that .5 in writing...it hurts me...I dont feel proud having got clb 9 becuse I sincerely believe that cant be a measure of such a big event of life.

 

[JJ777]

Canada decides who they need - EE and CRS scale are just an expression of that design.

Canada has determined that the highest indicators of immigrant success are a permanent full-time non seasonal job (with or without provincial support), at least 2 or more post secondary educational credentials, above average language skills (English or French or both) and at least 2 years of verifiable skilled work experience (Canadian or Foreign). In addition to all that, being younger certainly doesn't hurt because you pay taxes for longer than someone who is already 50.

We may rant and rave and disagree with the CRS system but we ranted, raved and disagreed with the previous system's faulty FIFO processing as well. No matter how Canada designs their systems, some immigrants will always feel left out. Because they don't fit the bill of what Canada requires now. But that's the only thing that matters - what Canada requires, Canada does.

Completely agree with this. I think this gives majority of people an equal and fair chance (including students and foreign applications). With every system there will be a few cases where there will be issues, but you can't always have it all.

 

[cjs]

i have clb9 but when I see deserving person d0 not get good crs score just because of that .5 in writing...it hurts me...I dont feel proud having got clb 9 becuse I sincerely believe that cant be a measure of such a big event of life.

I understand your feelings but for us, it is their country, and their rules. We can not have any complaints against it. This is how they feel is the best and we will have to fit according to those rules only. We are the ones applying, we are the ones looking for good life. so whatever rules they set for that, we will have to abide by those rules only.
I think we should not doubt that system.

 

[bestofluck]

I understand your feelings but for us, it is their country, and their rules. We can not have any complaints against it. This is how they feel is the best and we will have to fit according to those rules only. We are the ones applying, we are the ones looking for good life. so whatever rules they set for that, we will have to abide by those rules only.
I think we should not doubt that system.

Even if we doubt what can we do? beggars never had a choice before and and never will they have in future.

 

[Asivad Anac]

Even if we doubt what can we do? beggars never had a choice before and and never will they have in future.

Disagree with the choice of words/sentiment/proverb - immigrants aren't beggars, immigrants always have a choice to NOT immigrate.

 

[bestofluck]

Disagree with the choice of words/sentiment/proverb - immigrants aren't beggars, immigrants always have a choice to NOT immigrate.

Beggars means...beggars to God to give a good life and not Canada....we all pray for a good life we never pray for getting immigration.

 

[Br33zer]

Even if we doubt what can we do? beggars never had a choice before and and never will they have in future.

You sir, Godspeed!

 

[Asivad Anac]

Beggars means...beggars to God to give a good life and not Canada....we all pray for a good life we never pray for getting immigration.

Not being particularly religious, I don't claim to understand supplications made to a supernatural authority in order to make amendments to one's existence. One would expect to improve situations by amending one's thoughts, words and deeds instead but if it helps some people, why not!

 

[Chiuzi]

If you can choose for those ones you want, why not choose the best? that's why the score won't go down abruptly... there is a lot of qualified immigrants seeking for Canada...

 

[Pippin]

Thank you for giving us something to debate between draws. Interesting comments. I am a Canadian and I believe the emphasis on language ability is valid, but the evaluation process is flawed. To live in a country without speaking the language is isolating and makes it difficult to get employment. I have seen it first hand with neighbours getting passed over for jobs until years later when their language skills improved. I think the IELTS or whichever exam is taken is a way to test. I believe that an applicant SHOULD be able to combine scores obtained on valid tests. This would likely cut down the number of tests to two and I can see this would not be a strategy favourable to the testing companies, but how fair is it to demand that a test taker be perfect in all four skills on the same day. What does it matter if their writing and speaking sparkled in January and their listening and reading soared in February? They have proved their ABILITY in a test that is Valid for 2 years! With the present emphasis on perfection in one snapshot of time and the substantial cost of repeated exams, IELTS has become as much a measure of one's ability to cope under stress as it is a determination of language skills.

 

[ldrbjp]

Thank you for giving us something to debate between draws. Interesting comments. I am a Canadian and I believe the emphasis on language ability is valid, but the evaluation process is flawed. To live in a country without speaking the language is isolating and makes it difficult to get employment. I have seen it first hand with neighbours getting passed over for jobs until years later when their language skills improved. I think the IELTS or whichever exam is taken is a way to test. I believe that an applicant SHOULD be able to combine scores obtained on valid tests. This would likely cut down the number of tests to two and I can see this would not be a strategy favourable to the testing companies, but how fair is it to demand that a test taker be perfect in all four skills on the same day. What does it matter if their writing and speaking sparkled in January and their listening and reading soared in February? They have proved their ABILITY in a test that is Valid for 2 years! With the present emphasis on perfection in one snapshot of time and the substantial cost of repeated exams, IELTS has become as much a measure of one's ability to cope under stress as it is a determination of language skills.

Couldn't agree more. The emphasis should have been on overall score rather than splitting it up per ability. Mine was the best example. I scored CLB 10 in 2 of them, 9 in 1 and 8 in in the other. Despite having two 10s, I couldn't secure additional 50 points just because I had a momentary distraction in listening.

 

[Pippin]

Couldn't agree more. The emphasis should have been on overall score rather than splitting it up per ability. Mine was the best example. I scored CLB 10 in 2 of them, 9 in 1 and 8 in in the other. Despite having two 10s, I couldn't secure additional 50 points just because I had a momentary distraction in listening.

Yes! And I know an example of three CLB 10's and an 8 that still failed to meet the target. Second exam got 10 in the previous 8 skill, but dropped a 10 to 8 elsewhere. In two exams would have four 10's if they could be combined.

 

[mf4361]

is it on purpose?

Yes

Sure. Canada has the right to set their own rule and we as applicants have to follow. Whether the rule is good for applicants and more importantly to Canada and Canadians is debatable. So far AFAIK it has attracted a lot of highly educated, but lack in work experience people in while left out who just fall below the line and has work experience. I've seen too many immigrant with professional credentials or graduate degrees and had to resort to working min wage low skilled jobs. Canadian employers of skilled jobs just don't care about foreign experiences.

IELTS/CELPIP/TEF as a proxy of language skills is questionable too. CELPIP's speaking section is not even conversational. IELTS is better in some ways but still a good score relies more on good exam skills than on language and communication skills.

 

[Skvach]

The main problem with all those exams is that they were never designed to be used for immigration, but for academic purposes.

 

[RamsayBolton]

The main problem with all those exams is that they were never designed to be used for immigration, but for academic purposes.

Do you have any fact to support your claim? The only notable difference between general and academic tests are writing task 1 (graphs/charts vs. letter) and the use of vocabulary, otherwise everything is pretty much the same.

IELTS/CELPIP/TEF as a proxy of language skills is questionable too. CELPIP's speaking section is not even conversational. IELTS is better in some ways but still a good score relies more on good exam skills than on language and communication skills.

Agreed. The CELPIP's speaking is just too awkward and unnatural for me. I did not feel comfortable to speak loudly in a dead silent room. I wish IELTS could use US/Canadian accent for their Listening test.