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legalfalcon

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Sep 21, 2015
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Montréal, Quebec, Canada
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FSW
Visa Office......
Ottawa
NOC Code......
4112
App. Filed.......
03-09-2015
Doc's Request.
01-10-2015
AOR Received.
03-09-2015
Med's Done....
17-08-2015
Passport Req..
05-04-2016
VISA ISSUED...
12-04-2016
LANDED..........
05-05-2016
fpaikar said:
Thank you for your continuing guidance legalfalcon.I am just in doubt about submitting the documents with passport .We just got the renewed work permits and our old work permits are on our old passport.As we got new passports as well ,do we submit the original new work permits as well.Also do we send our old pasdports as well.Sorry to disturb you again
When you receive the PPR, you are not expected to send in any documents apart from the Passport. When the old passport is cancelled and a new one issued, the visas, work permits on the old one remain valid. However, when the PPR is issued, all CIC is asking for is the current passport for giving you the PR visa. This passport should be the one whose number you mentioned while filling your profile. In case, you used your old passport number and while your application was in process, and subsequently got your passport renewed, you have to send a case specific enquiry (CSE) and let CIC know of the update.

So to answer simply, just send your new passport, no need to send the old one or the work permits etc. If this passport was renewed after you filed your PR application, and you used your old passport number, send in a CSE and let CIC know of the change.
 

fpaikar

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Jul 15, 2013
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legalfalcon said:
When you receive the PPR, you are not expected to send in any documents apart from the Passport. When the old passport is cancelled and a new one issued, the visas, work permits on the old one remain valid. However, when the PPR is issued, all CIC is asking for is the current passport for giving you the PR visa. This passport should be the one whose number you mentioned while filling your profile. In case, you used your old passport number and while your application was in process, and subsequently got your passport renewed, you have to send a case specific enquiry (CSE) and let CIC know of the update.

So to answer simply, just send your new passport, no need to send the old one or the work permits etc. If this passport was renewed after you filed your PR application, and you used your old passport number, send in a CSE and let CIC know of the change.
Thank you so much.Actually we did send them a scanned copy but on the same day they sent us the Ppr mail.So guess they should be aware of that.So I will just send them our new passports and will not include the work permit.Thank you so much
 

fpaikar

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Jul 15, 2013
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legalfalcon said:
When you receive the PPR, you are not expected to send in any documents apart from the Passport. When the old passport is cancelled and a new one issued, the visas, work permits on the old one remain valid. However, when the PPR is issued, all CIC is asking for is the current passport for giving you the PR visa. This passport should be the one whose number you mentioned while filling your profile. In case, you used your old passport number and while your application was in process, and subsequently got your passport renewed, you have to send a case specific enquiry (CSE) and let CIC know of the update.

So to answer simply, just send your new passport, no need to send the old one or the work permits etc. If this passport was renewed after you filed your PR application, and you used your old passport number, send in a CSE and let CIC know of the change.
Thank you so much.We did the case specific enquiry and send them the scanned copy.But the same day they sent us the Ppr Mail.So I will just send the new passports.Thank you so much as always
 

legalfalcon

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Sep 21, 2015
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Montréal, Quebec, Canada
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FSW
Visa Office......
Ottawa
NOC Code......
4112
App. Filed.......
03-09-2015
Doc's Request.
01-10-2015
AOR Received.
03-09-2015
Med's Done....
17-08-2015
Passport Req..
05-04-2016
VISA ISSUED...
12-04-2016
LANDED..........
05-05-2016
fpaikar said:
Thank you so much.We did the case specific enquiry and send them the scanned copy.But the same day they sent us the Ppr Mail.So I will just send the new passports.Thank you so much as always
Since you have sent the CSE and the scanned copies, you are all good.

All the best!
 

fpaikar

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legalfalcon said:
Since you have sent the CSE and the scanned copies, you are all good.

All the best!
Thank you so much.But after sending them the scanned copy they did not send us any confirmation .Hope it does not cause any issue as the Ppr request and the scanned copy were done on the same day.
 

legalfalcon

VIP Member
Sep 21, 2015
19,030
9,888
Montréal, Quebec, Canada
Category........
FSW
Visa Office......
Ottawa
NOC Code......
4112
App. Filed.......
03-09-2015
Doc's Request.
01-10-2015
AOR Received.
03-09-2015
Med's Done....
17-08-2015
Passport Req..
05-04-2016
VISA ISSUED...
12-04-2016
LANDED..........
05-05-2016
fpaikar said:
Thank you so much.But after sending them the scanned copy they did not send us any confirmation .Hope it does not cause any issue as the Ppr request and the scanned copy were done on the same day.
No need to worry. When you send documents, the take forever to send confirmation, but your scanned PP would already be in your file. If you want to be on the safer side, just send an email to the email id you have in your PPR, and ask them to confirm of they received your scanned documents of the new passport and if they need your old PP. Usually they reply back in 3-5 days.
 

JustCanada

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Feb 9, 2015
112
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Philippines
Visa Office......
Ottawa/Manila
NOC Code......
1111
Doc's Request.
16 September 2015-IELTS and 02 February 2016 -Bank Records & Payslips
AOR Received.
10 September 2015
Passport Req..
June 9, 2016
VISA ISSUED...
July 2016
LANDED..........
August 9, 2016 (To GOD be the glory!)
legalfalcon said:
To answer that you have to have the GCMS notes. Once the eligibility is done, then only the security and criminality is left. I posted a detailed post sometime back. I am posting it again for your benefit.

As per the trends, your eligibility is cleared within the first 5 months and then what is left is the security and criminality. This is for the FSW (outland). For the inland applicants, the process is different, their BGC goes in progress within a few days after they receive the AoR. So its is difficult to predict if it is just a technical issue, or the BGC is initiated sooner in the application.

The anatomy of an standard application is as follows:

1. Enter the EE pool.

2. Receive the ITA.

3. File application and supporting documents.

4. AoR - Automatically acknowledged, usually on the same day as submission.

5. The first step is to check for completeness. This usually triggers the application review "IN PROGRESS." This is done at the Centralized Intake Office (CIO).

6. Next stage is the R10 review. This is the first stringent check of the application against the EE profile you created. The Regulation 10 of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations imposes a strict liability on the applicants to account for all documents uploaded, satisfy what was stated in the EE profile, and ensure that there are no gaps. If you do not provide the documents or they are filed incorrectly, your application can be rejected due to the strict liability on the applicant under this regulation. However, a lot depends on the agent reviewing the file. Under the R 10 review your IELTS, ECA are checked against the websites to ascertain that there is no misrepresentation. (R10 review is done within the 1-3 months of filing the application). If an applicants age has changed from EE profile to ITA, then the same is recorded and his score is affected. This is also done at the CIO level. Most of the applications are rejected here.

7. At the R10 review if you have any documents missing, the application is rejected, or more time is given to file the document if there is a Letter of Explanation (LoE). It largely depends on the agent reviewing it. Some are brutal and will reject the application even for a minor error.

8. Usually by this stage the medicals are also passed. Recently some applicants received request to re-access their medicals when the file reached the Local Visa Office (LVO). I have a theory for this, but in most cases, once the medicals are passed, they are good until the final review stage. The applicants who received a re-assesment for the medicals could be because of two reasons:
a. The doctor or the facility which examined them had a complaint against it, or the CIC found something fishy about how things were being conducted there; or
b. The medicals did not disclose the required parameters, or the applicant had an underlying medical issue, which the CIC wanted to get re-assessed.

8. Now the next stage is to determine eligibility, i.e. whether the application meets the program prerequisites under which it is filed. For FSW, your experience, letters of reference, education, etc are in order. For the PNP, FSW and your nomination is present, for CEC, your Canadian experience is on file. And, so on so forth for the other categories. The objective here is to review whether you meet the program threshold and what you claim is correct. If there is any suspicion, or things don't sound good, the agent can send you application for further review. Which includes an interview, extra doc request etc. If the applicant meets the requirements, and his score is over the cut off for the ITA she received, his eligibility is passed. If there are issues, they will be addressed. This usually happens at the LVO. This stage happens when the application is usually 4-5 months into the process. At this stage, if the eligibility is met, the chances of refusal considerably go down, unless there is a criminal history. However, if your score goes down due to CIC not acknowledging your experience, NOC and reference letters not matching, or a change in age, the application is rejected.

9. As soon as the eligibility is met, next comes the security and criminality (or background check). Usually the criminality is met through the Police Clearance Certificates (PCC) uploaded with the application. If the applicant has been to a country which is suspicious, or your travel history does show frequent visits to a country without any explanation, the same are recorded and evaluated. If things look good, your criminality is passed. A lot of applicants receive a request for Schedule A at this stage to ensure no gap time is present and the history is clear.

10. The last and the final stage is the security. This is a serious & time-consuming stage, involving many agencies, including Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS), International Police (INTERPOL), Criminal Database Checking & touch-base with Local Police. Many things are considered here. Number of countries visited, Applicant coming from 'certain' countries, past law enforcement or military record, Prolonged stay in a country w/out sufficient docs to prove cause, frequent traveling to certain nations, your *Name (?), Inter-Religion/Nationality Marriages etc. If everything is simple & straight, the file soon gets into the 'final review' stage. If there are any 'red flags', the case goes into a 'spin'. Then the file might go to the local Police/intelligence agencies; the outcome/timeframe of which is beyond the control of CIC. And thereby the timeframe can be anything [sometimes beyond 1yr]. But, usually this stage should be over within 1-2 months. However, a point to be noted is that the applicant can also be called for an Interview [at this stage], due to this reason. For some people the security has a quick turn around. But in the last two weeks a lot of applicants are stuck at this stage.

11. At the final review, when the security results come in, the PPR is issued.

Now, this is NO way is a generalization of the process. Some applications are processed much faster, some are slow. This is what I could gather from my GCMS notes, my experience with dealing with the immigration authorities in US on behalf of my clients and my personal application which is still in progress.

This is only for information to provide a picture about the process, but CIC has never disclosed their processing procedure. However, looking into some immigration cases, and the information through the GCMS notes available on the forum, this is the best generalization I could come up with. Albeit, for some applicants the criminality is done before the eligibility is checked, for other after. So please don't debate as to how one case you saw was different from what I have stated.

This is just an overview. If you do not find it appealing, just ignore it. If it was up to me, I would process all applications much faster.

But, this is a long wait and probably the most important decision you will make in your life. Be optimistic, helpful and supportive of others. This forum is an excellent resource for many, so even when you receive your PPR, please hang on for a few more months and update your timelines and answer any questions other applicants may have. Don't be a parasite.
Wow LegalFalcon, you're a legend! I don't know how to return the favor to you for your goodness! How I wish that every person has the same helping heart that you have. I really do hope that I'm now on the last and final stage-CSIS since I'm an outland. This would also mean that I just have to wait with more patience same as you. Knowledge is power and thank you very much for sharing the power that you gain thru your experiences.
 

Jvanmi

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Jan 20, 2016
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Received PPR today!

I have been a silent reader but all info here meant a lot to me. Thank you so much, everyone :)
 

hanayuki

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Feb 25, 2016
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Did all Sep folks get their BG started? I'm AOR 17 Sep and still waiting, the BG check has not even started yet. I have ordered gcms notes but it's really unnerving
 

DreamCanada16

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Feb 11, 2016
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App. Filed.......
09-09-2015
AOR Received.
09-09-2015
Passport Req..
6th December 2016

SvetaB

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Jun 18, 2015
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Visa Office......
Ottawa
NOC Code......
1311
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
03-09-2015
Doc's Request.
30-09-2015
AOR Received.
03-09-2015
Jvanmi said:
Received PPR today!

I have been a silent reader but all info here meant a lot to me. Thank you so much, everyone :)
Congratulations!