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david1697

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ht711, I will hereby conclude my participation in the debate about EB visa allocation in US.

It's fairly complex issue and, unfortunately, most arguments are made based on personal or group interests (for example, Indians who would benefit from unlimited EB PR Visas obviously bring arguments in favor of it, and so do Immigration attorneys, because they are the ones to lose fees for not representing all the potential clients that they could represent if every single applicant could apply for a Green Card. On the opposite end of spectrum you have voters and organizations who simply want to restrict all immigration from all countries, no matter what, and they will fight tooth and nail against any proposition to increase quotas, be it for Indians, Chinese or Vietnamese).

What is often lacking is an objective analysis or the bigger picture (and I am not sure it is even possible to generate one, provided those who are in charge of analysing often have emotional investment and personal or group interests which inevitably skew the angles and distort the picture).
Perhaps, if there was a will to apply a higher intelligence to find a solution, it would calculate the overall benefits and harm to National interests , in the short and long term, and would propose the policy changes accordingly. But we all live in imperfect world and , consequently, solutions often are less than perfect.

Notice, I deliberately express my individual opinion on this matter in vague statements. Because, frankly, I admit the limits of my own knowledge of the full complexity of the issue and , under such circumstances, anything I state beyond what I just said would be driven rather by bias or wishful thinking than a fact based analysis. Because, what do I know about overall long term benefits or harms of alocating more than 7% of 140,000 PR Visas to any one Nationality? What do I know about harm of waiting 35 years for EB3 Visa versus harm to a country for accepting over 50% of worldwide quota from just one country? I mean, I can go on and ramble about it endlessly, but what do I really know? I do not specilize in this area, I haven't done extensive studies of this subject, I have not done a lot of things I would have to have done before I could share anything remotely resembling an expert opinion.
So, I will leave it there.

But , for the sake of fairness, let me make this very clear here: if there are immigrants who have or had it hard in US in the last 30 years or so, then one thing can be stated with certainty and it is this: Indians are not the ones in such category.

If anythng, Indians of the past 20-25 years had been (as an immigrant group) the most successful of all first generation immigrants to US, since may be Pilgrims arrived to America. No other group had gone through adaptation process with as little hardship as Indians did since late 1990's. To state otherwise is to misrepresent facts and to paint an inaccurate picture.

This, of course, is aside from a debate about 140,000 worldwide quotas and 7% per country allocation (which, btw, Congress increased for individual countries like India and China on more than one occasion in past decade, and, FYI, some unused visas from higher category do trickle down to India and China in lower category EB visas; so it's not exactly as rigid as you described).

I now conclude my participation in debate of ths particular subject (EB PR Visa allocation), with wishes of all the good to you and other immigrants, from all over the world.
 

ht711

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Dec 6, 2014
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david1697 said:
ht711, I will hereby conclude my participation in the debate about EB visa allocation in US.

It's fairly complex issue and, unfortunately, most arguments are made based on personal or group interests (for example, Indians who would benefit from unlimited EB PR Visas obviously bring arguments in favor of it, and so do Immigration attorneys, because they are the ones to lose fees for not representing all the potential clients that they could represent if every single applicant could apply for a Green Card. On the opposite end of spectrum you have voters and organizations who simply want to restrict all immigration from all countries, no matter what, and they will fight tooth and nail against any proposition to increase quotas, be it for Indians, Chinese or Vietnamese).

What is often lacking is an objective analysis or the bigger picture (and I am not sure it is even possible to generate one, provided those who are in charge of analysing often have emotional investment and personal or group interests which inevitably skew the angles and distort the picture).
Perhaps, if there was a will to apply a higher intelligence to find a solution, it would calculate the overall benefits and harm to National interests , in the short and long term, and would propose the policy changes accordingly. But we all live in imperfect world and , consequently, solutions often are less than perfect.

Notice, I deliberately express my individual opinion on this matter in vague statements. Because, frankly, I admit the limits of my own knowledge of the full complexity of the issue and , under such circumstances, anything I state beyond what I just said would be driven rather by bias or wishful thinking than a fact based analysis. Because, what do I know about overall long term benefits or harms of alocating more than 7% of 140,000 PR Visas to any one Nationality? What do I know about harm of waiting 35 years for EB3 Visa versus harm to a country for accepting over 50% of worldwide quota from just one country? I mean, I can go on and ramble about it endlessly, but what do I really know? I do not specilize in this area, I haven't done extensive studies of this subject, I have not done a lot of things I would have to have done before I could share anything remotely resembling an expert opinion.
So, I will leave it there.

But , for the sake of fairness, let me make this very clear here: if there are immigrants who have or had it hard in US in the last 30 years or so, then one thing can be stated with certainty and it is this: Indians are not the ones in such category.

If anythng, Indians of the past 20-25 years had been (as an immigrant group) the most successful of all first generation immigrants to US, since may be Pilgrims arrived to America. No other group had gone through adaptation process with as little hardship as Indians did since late 1990's. To state otherwise is to misrepresent facts and to paint an inaccurate picture.

This, of course, is aside from a debate about 140,000 worldwide quotas and 7% per country allocation (which, btw, Congress increased for individual countries like India and China on more than one occasion in past decade, and, FYI, some unused visas from higher category do trickle down to India and China in lower category EB visas; so it's not exactly as rigid as you described).

I now conclude my participation in debate of ths particular subject (EB PR Visa allocation), with wishes of all the good to you and other immigrants, from all over the world.
Ok Thanks for your time and patience....no more EB TALKS...Proud to be an Indian. Really Indians are doing good in US of A.
 

david1697

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That's the reason I suggested you to move to US of A :D

Since you are Indian I am sure you will do wel in US. Get at least 3 years of experience in H visa, then go to Canada (you already have Canadian PR) and look for a new job.
 

aashay12

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Jun 12, 2012
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Visa Office......
buffalo transferred to ottawa
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
july 2011
Med's Request
25th october 2013
Med's Done....
yes
Interview........
no
Passport Req..
first week of january
VISA ISSUED...
24/1/14
LANDED..........
13 nov, a day before the visa expires
Hey dude, I hope u find a job in Canada so u can have decent living
And bring ur fly over to canada.
 

aashay12

Star Member
Jun 12, 2012
197
7
Category........
Visa Office......
buffalo transferred to ottawa
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
july 2011
Med's Request
25th october 2013
Med's Done....
yes
Interview........
no
Passport Req..
first week of january
VISA ISSUED...
24/1/14
LANDED..........
13 nov, a day before the visa expires
sorry i meant wife...
 

rahulk9

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I hope you find better possibilities in USA. It is better to be in US than in India. I don't agree with aashay12 about India being a place to be in next 10 or more years.
 

B.A

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May 13, 2014
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AVO
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2131
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App. Filed.......
31-07-2013
File Transfer...
01-11-2013
Med's Request
23-10-2014
Med's Done....
24th & 27th oct 2014
Passport Req..
14 - 11- 14
Dnt be confuse........just follow yur mind after careful research.

Wish you all the best.

B.A
 

kumbu.bumbu

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ht711 said:
Hi Guys!
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the more i talk to people at work, especially from my home country, i get confuse, 100 people i talk to 100 different suggestions they give.
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Please, will appreciate.
Is this forum any different.
You seem to be a thinking man. Do as your heart says. Move to a place where you think you would be happy.
 

abdoulome

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Jan 9, 2014
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ht711 said:
Hi Guys!

I landed in Canada, went back to India then came back and then went back to India in last 6 months, just stayed for 3 months in Canada in total. I am in my late 30s. I have family. I don't know what to say or how to say, I was never so weak mentally, but this Canada thing changed my whole life, right now i am writing from sitting in India but i am getting an urge to go back to Canada again, but i am not able to answer to myself that why, or what for i want to go to Canada. I got the job, i started earning 1500 or so in a month but sitting at sharing-rental home at night, missing family, feeling weak that what the hell i am doing here, no one to talk to, the more i talk to people at work, especially from my home country, i get confuse, 100 people i talk to 100 different suggestions they give. Yes there are $ i mean whatever i will earn will be in CAD ($) but i don't know why i am not able to stick to this place and able to give myself time. I know in my field i cant get job as there are very less jobs (please dont ask my profession) but i came with a mindset that i will start with anything and will see what i can do or if i need to upgrade, i will do and if nothing works out at least i will save some by doing jobs but you don't have anybody to talk to, nobody has time. People help but what to say everybody is one way or another not happy (% wise) this is because everybody has his or her own experience. some have sold everything in their home country and they don't have any reason to go back so they are sticking. People are happy too. How to get over my this part. It was my dream from my early days to go abroad US/Canada but at last i got this opportunity, i am not liking it (dont know what to say). I don't understand where to start, should i go to Toronto, Alberta (Edmonton/Calgary), BC or where. Thinking of going to Toronto this time but just getting thoughts of going nothing is sure...will i be able to get survival jobs easily in Toronto please some serious guidance from seniors....

Please, will appreciate.
Hey buddy!!sorry had to get into this n tell you it's not worth going to d states now because you will jeopardize ur chances of getting your Canadian citizenship which would have allowed you to move n work in d states as a Canadian. I was on h1b in the states, did my studies n just moved to Canada as a PR . h1b is a mess man...no jok. My suggestion would b to apply for d US dv lottery while u r working in Canada (n bring ur wife), if you win d lottery , head there man but not under visa oderwise u will b a slave of d system. my pt of vue.
ps: Vancouver is amazing , if u lik warm weather, many Indians r there, I am not indian but worked with them in d states!u won't b bored..stayed in Vancouver for a month. hop u do d right choice!cheers.
 

aashay12

Star Member
Jun 12, 2012
197
7
Category........
Visa Office......
buffalo transferred to ottawa
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
july 2011
Med's Request
25th october 2013
Med's Done....
yes
Interview........
no
Passport Req..
first week of january
VISA ISSUED...
24/1/14
LANDED..........
13 nov, a day before the visa expires
u got to feel Canada, breathe the air, have a good feeling about things around.
Talk to positive people......immerse in the culture....
Start saying eh so you don't sound indian......
take the train......go around, see places.....
Drink tim hortons, second cup....
Go to Zanzibar, have a galore. Relax your mind.
Watch some Hockey or watch Eugenie Bouchard on TV.
Start liking Canada, Canada will like you.
Enjoy and appreciate rather than thinking the fcuk out your brains.
Don't judge, just live life for a week as a visitor....
Feel the change in you, you will reach your destination.
 

Ali Rizwan

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Aug 25, 2014
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@aashay12...hats off to you..this would be the best advise that anyone could give anyone being double minded about moving to Canada...LOVE CANADA AND CANADA WILL OVE YOU IN RETURN...
 

aashay12

Star Member
Jun 12, 2012
197
7
Category........
Visa Office......
buffalo transferred to ottawa
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
july 2011
Med's Request
25th october 2013
Med's Done....
yes
Interview........
no
Passport Req..
first week of january
VISA ISSUED...
24/1/14
LANDED..........
13 nov, a day before the visa expires
I have a double mind because of job situation.
To move or not to move...to canada
It's a gr8 country provided they have jobs....
Can't come to canada and flip burgers at the king
I don't want to be stuck there, paying money from my pocket
And losing all my savings.....if I don't have a job
 

ht711

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Dec 6, 2014
43
3
aashay12 said:
u got to feel Canada, breathe the air, have a good feeling about things around.
Talk to positive people......immerse in the culture....
Start saying eh so you don't sound indian......
take the train......go around, see places.....
Drink tim hortons, second cup....
Go to Zanzibar, have a galore. Relax your mind.
Watch some Hockey or watch Eugenie Bouchard on TV.
Start liking Canada, Canada will like you.
Enjoy and appreciate rather than thinking the fcuk out your brains.
Don't judge, just live life for a week as a visitor....
Feel the change in you, you will reach your destination.
you are awsome n ur suggestions too. Timies thats wat i njoyed most...awsome tea bagels tim bits n much mire. i m in my home country, yup but thinkin of coming back to east coast hlfx i guess...i guess i gotta start from zero...