"You are being given the oppertunity to undergo and submit the results of IELTS"

[Abuzeyad]

Hello guys,
I have applied - Buffalo, July, 2007 and got AOR - Aug 09, 2007. Then, on AUG 14, I recived a letter saying that the materials I providedas a proof of my English ability does not support the level of proficiency indicated on my application (16 points). So, as it says, "You are being given the oppertunity to undergo and submit the results of IELTS".
I have some questions here:
1- I don't need the 16 point to reach to the pass mark I only need 2. So, Can I contact them and change my claim to less points (like 8 points)?
2- They mention that if I don't provide  the results within 120 days, they will do the assessment based on the documents they have. Does it mean a delay in my place in the priority queue?
3- When they send me this information, does it mean that they start the proccessing of my application? I think this will be a very fast !!!!
4- What is the best way to contact them in Buffalo? is there a Tel?
Thank you in advance
Ahmed

[Libra]

Hello guys,
I have applied - Buffalo, July, 2007 and got AOR - Aug 09, 2007. Then, on AUG 14, I recived a letter saying that the materials I providedas a proof of my English ability does not support the level of proficiency indicated on my application (16 points). So, as it says, "You are being given the oppertunity to undergo and submit the results of IELTS".
I have some questions here:
1- I don't need the 16 point to reach to the pass mark I only need 2. So, Can I contact them and change my claim to less points (like 8 points)?

No, you don't need to do that.

2- They mention that if I don't provide  the results within 120 days, they will do the assessment based on the documents they have. Does it mean a delay in my place in the priority queue?

If you don't take the IELTS, it means that you will be short of 2 points, and not at the required 67 pass mark, which might not be in your favor. 

You have 4 months to take the IELTS - if they request for it, don't try to go around it - take the IELTS exam, it's in your own best interest.

When you have an exam date set, if the results release date is past the 120 day period, then it would be best to notify Buffalo about your exam date and result release date and request for an extension.

However, if your IELTS exam results release date is well within the 120 day period, then you don't need to contact them.

3- When they send me this information, does it mean that they start the proccessing of my application? I think this will be a very fast !!!!

Yes, they have started processing your application, which is already in queue, but they have a filing process they go by to maintain the application queue.

4- What is the best way to contact them in Buffalo? is there a Tel?

Try not to contact Buffalo at the initial stage if it is not really necessary - you don't want to jeopardize your application. 

Take the IELTS exam, it will give you more points and increase your chances.

Thank you in advance
Ahmed

[Abuzeyad]

Hi Libra,
Thanks for prompt reply and thorough answers.
I need to clarify one point.
I am already now studying in Canada at the university of Toronto (PhD) and of course I have TOEFL (which they don't recognize) and teach in English. These among many thing that I have sent them in my claim letter.
So, do you think thatI will loose all the 16 points if I cannot take the test?
I have some friends with similar cases had 8 points upon IO assessment.
The only thing that I am worried about that I loose my place in the queue which means a delay.
Thanks
Ahmed

Hello guys,
I have applied - Buffalo, July, 2007 and got AOR - Aug 09, 2007. Then, on AUG 14, I recived a letter saying that the materials I providedas a proof of my English ability does not support the level of proficiency indicated on my application (16 points). So, as it says, "You are being given the oppertunity to undergo and submit the results of IELTS".
I have some questions here:
1- I don't need the 16 point to reach to the pass mark I only need 2. So, Can I contact them and change my claim to less points (like 8 points)?

No, you don't need to do that.

2- They mention that if I don't provide  the results within 120 days, they will do the assessment based on the documents they have. Does it mean a delay in my place in the priority queue?

If you don't take the IELTS, it means that you will be short of 2 points, and not at the required 67 pass mark, which might not be in your favor[/u]. 

You have 4 months to take the IELTS - if they request for it, don't try to go around it - take the IELTS exam, it's in your own best interest.

When you have an exam date set, if the results release date is past the 120 day period, then it would be best to notify Buffalo about your exam date and result release date and request for an extension.

However, if your IELTS exam results release date is well within the 120 day period, then you don't need to contact them.

3- When they send me this information, does it mean that they start the proccessing of my application? I think this will be a very fast !!!!

Yes, they have started processing your application, which is already in queue, but they have a filing process they go by to maintain the application queue.

4- What is the best way to contact them in Buffalo? is there a Tel?

Try not to contact Buffalo at the initial stage if it is not really necessary - you don't want to jeopardize your application. 

Take the IELTS exam, it will give you more points and increase your chances.

Thank you in advance
Ahmed

[Libra]

Hi Libra,
Thanks for prompt reply and thorough answers.
I need to clarify one point.
I am already now studying in Canada at the university of Toronto (PhD) and of course I have TOEFL (which they don't recognize) and teach in English. These among many thing that I have sent them in my claim letter.
So, do you think thatI will loose all the 16 points if I cannot take the test?
I have some friends with similar cases had 8 points upon IO assessment.
The only thing that I am worried about that I loose my place in the queue which means a delay.
Thanks
Ahmed

CIC probably gave you some points for language proficiency, but it did not add up to 16, that's why they are requesting IELTS.  Moreso, with whatever they gave you for language proficiency (maybe 8, who knows?), it is not enough and it does not add up to the required 67 pass mark.

No, you will not loose your place in the queue.  You will still be within the expected median processing time for Buffalo cases.

You are not alone in this, there are others with similar qualifications like you who were required to take the IELTS.  However, you will be surprised to know that applicants from the Netherlands have not been required to take the IELTS.  Such is life, CIC has the discretion and the last say.  If they ask for it in your case, it means they need it.

Jebs,

I am from The Netherlands and they didnt ask me for this test either so it is possible that they will not. 

regards,

Gerrit

http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/-t5311.0.html;msg14129#msg14129

There's nothing you can do; you want the PR - right?  Take the IELTS, and don't worry, you will still be within the median processing time for Buffalo applications - and, your application is NOT delayed by you taking the IELTS.

[Abuzeyad]

Hello Libra,
Again, Thanks for prompt reply and thorough answers. What a nice person you are.
And again I feel that my explanation of my case was not clear.
I should have 65 points without any langauge points. That means if they will give me 8 points for English that will make my score 73.
Do you still think in the same way.
Another oint that I want to clarify, I am afraid of the delay that may be caused if I take IELTS. I afraid from the delay that may happen if I DON'T take it. I have no intention to take it because I have no time to arrange and more importantly that I have no money (275 CAD) to spend for only 2 points that I need.
I hope that my case is clear now.
And thanks again for you concern.
Have a great weekend
Ahmed

CIC probably gave you some points for language proficiency, but it did not add up to 16, that's why they are requesting IELTS.  Moreso, with whatever they gave you for language proficiency (maybe 8, who knows?), it is not enough and it does not add up to the required 67 pass mark.
No, you will not loose your place in the queue.  You will still be within the expected median processing time for Buffalo cases.

You are not alone in this, there are others with similar qualifications like you who were required to take the IELTS.  However, you will be surprised to know that applicants from the Netherlands have not been required to take the IELTS.  Such is life, CIC has the discretion and the last say.  If they ask for it in your case, it means they need it.

Jebs,

I am from The Netherlands and they didnt ask me for this test either so it is possible that they will not. 

regards,

Gerrit

http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/-t5311.0.html;msg14129#msg14129

There's nothing you can do; you want the PR - right?  Take the IELTS, and don't worry, you will still be within the median processing time for Buffalo applications - and, your application is NOT delayed by you taking the IELTS.

[Libra]

Usually, when they ask applicants for the IELTS, it means that the applicants did not get any points for Language Proficiency (LP).  And, the IELTS results will determine how many points CIC would allocate to the applicant for LP. 

So, right now in your case, it means that you do not have any points for Language Proficiency.

And, I have never heard of applicants being rejected after attempting the IELTS tests and send their results in.

Whereas, without the IELTS, you are putting your application at risk of being denied because right now, you do not have any points for LP, which is a crucial selecting factor, and you will also be under the pass mark. 

And, according to CIC: "If your score is lower than the pass mark, you are not likely to qualify to immigrate to Canada as a skilled worker."

If your level of education is already at the Ph.D level and, if you have attempted the TOEFL before and, if you teach in English (let's say, as a post-graduate assistant /fellow, or as a research assistant) and to quote you below, then you do not necessarily need to prepare for the IELTS. 

I am already now studying in Canada at the university of Toronto (PhD) and of course I have TOEFL (which they don't recognize) and teach in English.

If your English Language skills are up to par as you declared to CIC, then you can always choose to attempt the IELTS without even preparing for it.  And, you will still pass and be able to garner /get at least 2 or more points to get to the required 67 pass mark or even more - the more points, the better.

So, you can always sacrifice the $275 CDN to attempt the IELTS - it's in your own best interest.

Once again, taking the IELTS will not delay your application in any way.  In fact, they have already filed your application to be reviewed after the 120 day pass mark; and that will be the next time they will look at your file - not before that.  So, you just have to act now within that time by attempting the IELTS, or choose not to act and put your application at risk.

Follow the link below to an IELTS web page and at the bottom of the new web page, you'll find links to free samples of what the test is all about from Academic Reading Sample to Speaking Sample. 

The samples will give you an idea of what the different parts to the exam would look like

IELTS Free Samples Testing Material: http://www.ielts.org/candidates/findoutmore/article260.aspx

Hello Libra,
Again, Thanks for prompt reply and thorough answers. What a nice person you are.
And again I feel that my explanation of my case was not clear.
I should have 65 points without any langauge points. That means if they will give me 8 points for English that will make my score 73.
Do you still think in the same way.
Another oint that I want to clarify, I am afraid of the delay that may be caused if I take IELTS. I afraid from the delay that may happen if I DON'T take it. I have no intention to take it because I have no time to arrange and more importantly that I have no money (275 CAD) to spend for only 2 points that I need.
I hope that my case is clear now.
And thanks again for you concern.
Have a great weekend
Ahmed

CIC probably gave you some points for language proficiency, but it did not add up to 16, that's why they are requesting IELTS.  Moreso, with whatever they gave you for language proficiency (maybe 8, who knows?), it is not enough and it does not add up to the required 67 pass mark.

[Abuzeyad]

Thanks Libra,
You give no way but taking the test and I will.
Ahmed

Usually, when they ask applicants for the IELTS, it means that the applicants did not get any points for Language Proficiency (LP).  And, the IELTS results will determine how many points CIC would allocate to the applicant for LP. 

So, right now in your case, it means that you do not have any points for Language Proficiency.

And, I have never heard of applicants being rejected after attempting the IELTS tests and send their results in.

Whereas, without the IELTS, you are putting your application at risk of being denied because right now, you do not have any points for LP, which is a crucial selecting factor, and you will also be under the pass mark. 

And, according to CIC: "If your score is lower than the pass mark, you are not likely to qualify to immigrate to Canada as a skilled worker."

If your level of education is already at the Ph.D level and, if you have attempted the TOEFL before and, if you teach in English (let's say, as a post-graduate assistant /fellow, or as a research assistant) and to quote you below, then you do not necessarily need to prepare for the IELTS. 

I am already now studying in Canada at the university of Toronto (PhD) and of course I have TOEFL (which they don't recognize) and teach in English.

If your English Language skills are up to par as you declared to CIC, then you can always choose to attempt the IELTS without even preparing for it.  And, you will still pass and be able to garner /get at least 2 or more points to get to the required 67 pass mark or even more - the more points, the better.

So, you can always sacrifice the $275 CDN to attempt the IELTS - it's in your own best interest.

Once again, taking the IELTS will not delay your application in any way.  In fact, they have already filed your application to be reviewed after the 120 day pass mark; and that will be the next time they will look at your file - not before that.  So, you just have to act now within that time by attempting the IELTS, or choose not to act and put your application at risk.

Follow the link below to an IELTS web page and at the bottom of the new web page, you'll find links to free samples of what the test is all about from Academic Reading Sample to Speaking Sample. 

The samples will give you an idea of what the different parts to the exam would look like

IELTS Free Samples Testing Material: http://www.ielts.org/candidates/findoutmore/article260.aspx

Hello Libra,
Again, Thanks for prompt reply and thorough answers. What a nice person you are.
And again I feel that my explanation of my case was not clear.
I should have 65 points without any langauge points. That means if they will give me 8 points for English that will make my score 73.
Do you still think in the same way.
Another oint that I want to clarify, I am afraid of the delay that may be caused if I take IELTS. I afraid from the delay that may happen if I DON'T take it. I have no intention to take it because I have no time to arrange and more importantly that I have no money (275 CAD) to spend for only 2 points that I need.
I hope that my case is clear now.
And thanks again for you concern.
Have a great weekend
Ahmed

CIC probably gave you some points for language proficiency, but it did not add up to 16, that's why they are requesting IELTS.  Moreso, with whatever they gave you for language proficiency (maybe 8, who knows?), it is not enough and it does not add up to the required 67 pass mark.