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Shemary
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« on: February 03, 2011, 12:00:02 pm »

Hi everybody,
A decision has been made; the officer refused my application saying that I don't have the required experience while I have more than 12 years of experience in the Civil Engineering field all descried and schedule 3 of the application and supported by reference letters from my employers, the consultant, who has more than 20 years experience, very confident that y experience meeting the requirements...please advise what to do? How can we change this decision positively??
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samar123
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« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2011, 12:57:08 pm »

ooooo that's really sad .....have this decision made after your interview or without interview....the same case happened with a girl from india....don't know on wat basis they are doing this?
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Shemary
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« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2011, 01:11:15 pm »

ooooo that's really sad .....have this decision made after your interview or without interview....the same case happened with a girl from india....don't know on wat basis they are doing this?

The decision made before even the interview...I'm really surprised and don't know what to do because they are refusing based on invalid reasons
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Honest Robber
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« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2011, 02:28:40 pm »

How CHC informed you about this decision...? email or Letter...? if you was informed via email then you might not know the reason,as in email CHC usually donot explain the reason of rejection.

Wait for the letter....in the letter you will have a clear picture of "Why you was rejected"...once you have the letter in hand, only after that you will be able to access that what can be done now.

Honest Robber
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« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2011, 02:42:08 pm »

The off icer is not utilizing the tools to her job right!, I came accross with one off icer who refused on hasty generalizaioin. Reasoning: "Your company underpay you for the job performed by you". I replied saying " I was satisfied by the payment, because i was worried more of the work performed" My job was equivalent to loan officer at TD or any other bank/financial instituation. My company(best loving management in Toronto "Collect Corp") paid little less than others. " I accepted the offer". So, please, question your interview officer.
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Shemary
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« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2011, 05:20:26 pm »

How CHC informed you about this decision...? email or Letter...? if you was informed via email then you might not know the reason,as in email CHC usually donot explain the reason of rejection.

Wait for the letter....in the letter you will have a clear picture of "Why you was rejected"...once you have the letter in hand, only after that you will be able to access that what can be done now.

Honest Robber

Thank you Honest Robber,
I have been informed via a formal letter and according to that letter the reason behind the refusing is “You provided no detailed letters of reference from your employers” but I have already provided three detailed letters covering my 12 years experience.
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« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2011, 06:30:46 pm »

Dear All,
As of now I've worked for 2 companies and almost 11 years and both the companies have given me the ref. letter of almost 4 pages mentioning my duties,roles and responsibilities each  @  15-20 points in both the letters.Should that be well enough?!!I've also attached my payslips of all 10 years-(2payslips/year),increment letters,promotion letters.I think it should suffice the requirement for VO to get convenced for the exp.
What say guys??!!
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Edmonta
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« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2011, 07:40:17 pm »

Thank you Honest Robber,
I have been informed via a formal letter and according to that letter the reason behind the refusing is “You provided no detailed letters of reference from your employers” but I have already provided three detailed letters covering my 12 years experience.

If those reference letters provide the detailed information required to prove you did the job duties of your NOC then it sounds as if CIO may have erred and you should request they reopen your file for a second look.  Someone sent a FAX to the number provided for change of address, but I don't know what it is, but you may be able to do a search on the forum for it.  They made it clear in the subject line what it was about, so if you have the initials of the case officer you could put it to his attention.  Act quickly.  Good Luck.
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« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2011, 05:31:49 am »

Thank you Honest Robber,
I have been informed via a formal letter and according to that letter the reason behind the refusing is “You provided no detailed letters of reference from your employers” but I have already provided three detailed letters covering my 12 years experience.


Dear Shemary,

Please go to the HRDC website and note down the duties and responsibilities of your NOC Code, Match this NOC code duties with the duties which you have performed, if they both match, then make a cover letter and copy the duties from the NOC code HRDC and your actual duties and request to Re-Open your case.

Hope it help...

Regards,

Honest Robber
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Shemary
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« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2011, 11:26:11 am »

Dear Shemary,

Please go to the HRDC website and note down the duties and responsibilities of your NOC Code, Match this NOC code duties with the duties which you have performed, if they both match, then make a cover letter and copy the duties from the NOC code HRDC and your actual duties and request to Re-Open your case.

Hope it help...

Regards,

Honest Robber

Actually this is exactly what I agreed with my consultant to do but he is saying that we have nothing else to do if they denied the request to re-open the case....I mean this is it...do I have to give up for nothing after 4 years waiting Huh
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« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2011, 12:21:30 pm »

Agreed. You prove you submit these letters of references. And as long as the duties were similar to the NOC, you should pass.

I suggest you send the documents directly and communicate clearly and directly with your VO Officer.

Well, if you knew you submitted the reference letters and the VO said they didn't receive it, then your lawyer might messed up, and the papers could be either nit submitted by your lawyer or lost in the way!

Don't give up mate.

Cheers
Mezo


Dear Shemary,

Please go to the HRDC website and note down the duties and responsibilities of your NOC Code, Match this NOC code duties with the duties which you have performed, if they both match, then make a cover letter and copy the duties from the NOC code HRDC and your actual duties and request to Re-Open your case.

Hope it help...

Regards,

Honest Robber
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odin2404
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IELTS Request: sent with application
File Transfer...: 23rd Feb 2011
Med's Request: 03rd March 2011
Med's Done....: 30th March 2011
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« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2011, 12:28:36 pm »

Actually this is exactly what I agreed with my consultant to do but he is saying that we have nothing else to do if they denied the request to re-open the case....I mean this is it...do I have to give up for nothing after 4 years waiting Huh

Shemary ... there's a member Wayne (handle : Cappuccino) who has a fax number and a format to reappeal ... I'll try to get him in
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odin2404
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Category........: FSW1
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App. Filed.......: 21-09-2010
Doc's Request.: sent with application
Nomination.....: NA
AOR Received.: 27-01-2011
IELTS Request: sent with application
File Transfer...: 23rd Feb 2011
Med's Request: 03rd March 2011
Med's Done....: 30th March 2011
Interview........: Waived
Passport Req..: 03rd March 2011                                     PPR/RPRF sent: 13th April 2011 RPRF encashed: 29th April 2011
VISA ISSUED...: 05th May 2011
LANDED..........: 19th July 2011

« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2011, 12:36:51 pm »

This is an excerpt from Wayne's blog  @  http://get2canada.wordpress dot com

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How to deal with an unfair NER; A Negative Eligibility Review
Introduction
When CIC announced the changes to the immigration process back on June 26th, nobody was sure what it meant for the actual people involved. We assumed it would work almost the same way, and based our expectations on what we had read elsewhere.

Then the surprises came, Credit Cards and Bank Drafts were cashed almost right away, previously everyone thought that meant they were eligible for processing, when in fact under the new system it appears that the money is taken only after a brief glance of your application. Then we had CIC telling anyone who called up that they would have wait a staggering 33 weeks to get an AOR, or to even hear anything for that matter.

Everyone was beginning to feel rather disenfranchised, when suddenly, quite possibly the biggest shock of all arrived. Several forum members over at CanadaVisa got a letter from CIO telling them they had passed what seemed like a very thorough eligibility test. This quickly became known as the PER, short for “Positive Eligibility Review”. Not only had CIO seemingly scrapped the AOR, but they were doing a lot of the work the Visa Offices used to do. As time went on it became apparent that they were calculating points and assessing the authenticity of letters, and with this came the the PER‘s ugly cousin, the NER. The NER was a letter I was unfortunate enough to receive.

The thing about the NER was that it was, in my case, completely unjustified:

Although you have indicated that you have Arranged Employment, there is insufficient evidence on file that your employment offer is supported by a Human Resources Development Canada (HRSDC)/Service Canada confirmation letter.
Naturally I was rather furious. I had provided a Temporary Work Permit and a letter from my employer confirming that upon getting Permanent Residence I would be given a permanent position. Nevertheless, they continued on with their negative assessment, seemingly bouncing me down to a FSW Category 1 case:

As well, you have indicated that you have work experience in an occupation with the following NOC code:  2174 – INTERACTIVE MEDIA DEVELOPER.  This NOC code does not correspond to any of the NOC codes specified in the Instructions.
Since you did not provide evidence that you have work experience in the listed occupations, you do not meet the requirements of the Ministerial Instructions and your application is not eligible for processing.
Angry with this failure to properly assess my application I figured out my options for contacting them. It seemed like there were only two ways:

Sending an email to FSW-Sydney-Search-Enquiry @ cic.gc.ca
Calling the CIC Call Centre on 1-888-242‑2100
It quickly became apparent after sending the message that the first was a waste of time, with the auto response informing me I would have to wait 20 days before hearing anything! So I moved onto option 2.

The lady who I spoke to was very nice and tried her best to be helpful. I explained to her what happened and she opened up my file. After we had gone through everything she essentially told me that yes, CIO had made a mistake, but unfortunately, they can't do anything about it.

This, to use a north american expression, makes the call centre about as useful as a solar-powered flashlight. They simply have no authority to do anything about failed applications. Their advice was that I must simply wait for everything to come back, and post it off again with a note.

I was not going to accept that.

The Solution
The solution I recommend to anyone like myself, who has received an unfair NER are following steps, based on an idea that popped into my head after putting the phone down on CIC. In the original NER email is a fax number for address changes “only”. Could this be the secret way to send CIO some top priority information?

Address changes should be faxed to (902) 270-3561. PLEASE NOTE THIS FAX IS ONLY FOR ADDRESS CHANGES.

Put together a clear and concise one-page fax, in the following format:

THIS FAX IS FOR THE ATTENTION OF “<insert person who sent your NER here>” SERVICE DELIVERY AGENT – OR ANY CIO PROCESSING EMPLOYEE WHO CAN ASSIST WITH THIS SPECIAL CASE.

My application has been refused because of a CIO error. This has been confirmed over the phone to CIC on <date and time here>

Full name: <your full name>
DOB: <your DOB>
Email: <your email>
Phone: <your phone #>
File Number / Client Number: <file and client numbers here>

The issue is a rejection email I got from CIO on <date here> which states the following points:

<insert quote of first point from CIO NER email here>
<argument against the point here>

<insert quote of second point from CIO NER email here>
<argument against the point here>

<etc.>

In the application I provided the following:

<list documents relevant to this issue>

<summary here>

The Result
After sending the fax, I got a response from them the following day. It was the original email with this one line added to the top:

Please disregard letter dated 08/DEC/2010. You will be notified shortly with an updated decision.  We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused.

As you can see, this method produces good results and got CIO to take another look! On the following Monday I received the updated decision: waiting for me in my email inbox was my PER.

An important point worth noting that I believe the fax line is a one-way street, that is, CIO will never admit to getting a fax, or reply to a fax, because they do not want people using it the way I describe. It should only ever be used in absolute emergencies, and in cases where it is clear they have made a mistake
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« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2011, 03:55:42 pm »

Thanks for posting odin2404. Good way to appeal.
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Shemary
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« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2011, 10:10:45 pm »

Thanks for posting odin2404. Good way to appeal.

thanks a lot odine...thenk you all
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