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Author Topic: Traffic Offence/Violation and Criminal Inadmissibility Question  (Read 1351 times)
isaacr
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« on: December 21, 2010, 03:42:43 am »

My common-law spouse had a car accident where she drove through the stop light and hit a pedestrian. The incident occurred in early 2009, and occurred outside of Canada. The pedestrian was slightly injured. She was found guilty in court, and had to pay a fine, but that was all. This is reflected on the police certificate from her country.

My question is as follows:

Is this considered an offence that would be classified as a traffic/driving offence that falls under the Canadian criminal code as: Dangerous Driving (injury occurs), Section 249(3)?

and,

Would this mean the application would be rejected due to criminal inadmissibility?
Would the offence require criminal rehabilitation before application for PR?

I'm also curious if anyone has had a similar experience, and if your application was approved or rejected, etc..

I've spent quite a bit of time searching other posts here and there are some varying opinions on traffic offences. Most of them talk about speeding/parking tickets being OK, and DUIs being a definite rejection unless they have been deemed rehabilitated.

Any knowledge/experience would be sincerely appreciated!
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« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2010, 01:41:59 pm »

This sounds like a misdemeanor to me, but you'd better check with a lawyer.  I'd trust a lawyer's answer over anyone here.  You could also try calling the CIC Help Centre and see what advice they can give, if any. 
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« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2010, 01:46:29 am »

I did speak with a CIC call centre agent today, as well as a lawyer; both were of the opinion that the incident would be considered a traffic offence, and not a criminal offence, and it shouldn't have an impact on our application's approval. Both were however careful to state that the immigration officer will make the final decision.

I will be sure to include along with our application evidence that the fine was paid, but the police certificate from my spouse's home country shows the accident.

By misdemeanour, do you mean this would be considered a summary conviction offence? Therefore, not a serious criminal offence?
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« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2010, 06:13:47 pm »

I did speak with a CIC call centre agent today, as well as a lawyer; both were of the opinion that the incident would be considered a traffic offence, and not a criminal offence, and it shouldn't have an impact on our application's approval. Both were however careful to state that the immigration officer will make the final decision.

I will be sure to include along with our application evidence that the fine was paid, but the police certificate from my spouse's home country shows the accident.

By misdemeanour, do you mean this would be considered a summary conviction offence? Therefore, not a serious criminal offence?


I guess it would depend on how she was charged in her home country.  I'm only familiar with the Canadian legal system but in Canada if she was charged under the Highway Traffic Act and not under the Criminal Code, then it shouldn't be showing up on a criminal record check.  You might want to check with the courts from her area to see how the charge was proceeded with.

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« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2010, 11:38:05 pm »

She wasn't charged criminally... I will try to gather more information about this and talk to the CIC again.
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« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2011, 08:10:56 pm »

I'M A TEMPORARY WORKER HERE IN CANADA UNDER THE LIVE-IN CAREGIVER PROGRAM AND JUST RECENTLY, GOT A VIOLATION TICKET FOR FAILING TO PROVIDE PROOF OF INSURANCE. ON THAT DAY, I HAVE WITH ME A COPY OF THE TEMPORARY LIABILITY INSURANCE CARD THAT I PRESENTED TO THE POLICE OFFICER BUT IT WAS 5-DAYS EXPIRED AND I DON'T HAVE THE  "PINK CARD" WHICH THE INSURANCE COMPANY FAILED TO SEND ME, BUT I HAVE PRESENTED THE INSURANCE POLICY CONFIRMATION WITH THE EFFECTIVITY AND EXPIRATION DATE WRITTEN ON IT. I WAS REQUESTED EITHER TO PAY A FINE OR TO APPEAR BEFORE A JUSTICE.

MY QUESTION IS, SHOULD I JUST PAY THE FINE? AND, IF I WILL BE CHARGED WITH THIS TRAFFIC OFFENCE, WILL IT AFFECT MY APPLICATION FOR PERMANENT RESIDENCY HERE IN CANADA LATER ON?
ANY SUGGESTION ON WHAT I SHOULD DO?

THANKS!
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« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2011, 08:52:19 pm »

WE applied Inland spousal sponsorship last Sept 2010. My husband got pulled over last December 2010 for failing to provide a breath sample. We cannot afford to pay a lawyer ($5000.00 / court visit) so he just plead guilty.. But before he plead guilty, we asked CIC about affecting the sponsorship. they said, there's no problem with that. But still, of course im still worried about that.. Im will feel relieve only once i get the result (cross fingers for good result).. As far as I check the forms to filled up by the sponsor Form IMM1344EA Application to Sponsor and undertaking (under Eligibility Assessment)sPonsorship undertaking)..it only asked there in #16. Have you been charged with an offence under an Act of Parliament punishable by a maximum term of imprisonment of at least 10 years..

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« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2011, 11:47:28 pm »

Hi

I'M A TEMPORARY WORKER HERE IN CANADA UNDER THE LIVE-IN CAREGIVER PROGRAM AND JUST RECENTLY, GOT A VIOLATION TICKET FOR FAILING TO PROVIDE PROOF OF INSURANCE. ON THAT DAY, I HAVE WITH ME A COPY OF THE TEMPORARY LIABILITY INSURANCE CARD THAT I PRESENTED TO THE POLICE OFFICER BUT IT WAS 5-DAYS EXPIRED AND I DON'T HAVE THE  "PINK CARD" WHICH THE INSURANCE COMPANY FAILED TO SEND ME, BUT I HAVE PRESENTED THE INSURANCE POLICY CONFIRMATION WITH THE EFFECTIVITY AND EXPIRATION DATE WRITTEN ON IT. I WAS REQUESTED EITHER TO PAY A FINE OR TO APPEAR BEFORE A JUSTICE.

MY QUESTION IS, SHOULD I JUST PAY THE FINE? AND, IF I WILL BE CHARGED WITH THIS TRAFFIC OFFENCE, WILL IT AFFECT MY APPLICATION FOR PERMANENT RESIDENCY HERE IN CANADA LATER ON?
ANY SUGGESTION ON WHAT I SHOULD DO?

THANKS!

1.  Don't write in CAPS it is considered shouting and is hard to read.
2.  If you had valid insurance at the time, then go to court to dispute it, otherwise pay the fine.
3.  It has no effect on your application, as it is not a criminal offence.
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« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2011, 11:56:01 pm »

Hi

WE applied Inland spousal sponsorship last Sept 2010. My husband got pulled over last December 2010 for failing to provide a breath sample. We cannot afford to pay a lawyer ($5000.00 / court visit) so he just plead guilty.. But before he plead guilty, we asked CIC about affecting the sponsorship. they said, there's no problem with that. But still, of course im still worried about that.. Im will feel relieve only once i get the result (cross fingers for good result).. As far as I check the forms to filled up by the sponsor Form IMM1344EA Application to Sponsor and undertaking (under Eligibility Assessment)sPonsorship undertaking)..it only asked there in #16. Have you been charged with an offence under an Act of Parliament punishable by a maximum term of imprisonment of at least 10 years..



there is a problem.  Failure to Blow is a criminal code offence and by pleading guilty is now inadmissible for criminality.  He will probably be reported under as inadmissible an a decision will be made to either remove him from Canada or issue a TRP (Temporary Resident Permit) to allow 5 years to pass, so he can apply for rehabilitation, or to be able to apply for a pardon.

From the Criminal code

Failure or refusal to comply with demand

(5) Everyone commits an offence who, without reasonable excuse, fails or refuses to comply with a demand made under this section.

Only one determination of guilt

(6) A person who is convicted of an offence under subsection (5) for a failure or refusal to comply with a demand may not be convicted of another offence under that subsection in respect of the same transaction.

255. (1) Every one who commits an offence under section 253 or 254 is guilty of an indictable offence or an offence punishable on summary conviction and is liable,
(a) whether the offence is prosecuted by indictment or punishable on summary conviction, to the following minimum punishment, namely,

(i) for a first offence, to a fine of not less than $1,000,

(ii) for a second offence, to imprisonment for not less than 30 days, and

(iii) for each subsequent offence, to imprisonment for not less than 120 days;
(b) where the offence is prosecuted by indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years; and
(c) if the offence is punishable on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term of not more than 18 months.
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« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2011, 02:52:02 pm »

Hi

there is a problem.  Failure to Blow is a criminal code offence and by pleading guilty is now inadmissible for criminality.  He will probably be reported under as inadmissible an a decision will be made to either remove him from Canada or issue a TRP (Temporary Resident Permit) to allow 5 years to pass, so he can apply for rehabilitation, or to be able to apply for a pardon.

From the Criminal code

Failure or refusal to comply with demand

(5) Everyone commits an offence who, without reasonable excuse, fails or refuses to comply with a demand made under this section.

Only one determination of guilt

(6) A person who is convicted of an offence under subsection (5) for a failure or refusal to comply with a demand may not be convicted of another offence under that subsection in respect of the same transaction.

255. (1) Every one who commits an offence under section 253 or 254 is guilty of an indictable offence or an offence punishable on summary conviction and is liable,
(a) whether the offence is prosecuted by indictment or punishable on summary conviction, to the following minimum punishment, namely,

(i) for a first offence, to a fine of not less than $1,000,

(ii) for a second offence, to imprisonment for not less than 30 days, and

(iii) for each subsequent offence, to imprisonment for not less than 120 days;
(b) where the offence is prosecuted by indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years; and
(c) if the offence is punishable on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term of not more than 18 months.


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****He will probably be reported under as inadmissible an a decision will be made to either remove him from Canada or issue a TRP (Temporary Resident Permit) ??

-- >> but my husband is a Canadian Citizen.. Are they going to remove him from Canada?

-->> will it affect him to sponsor me? our paper is 6 months already from receipt of our application.
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« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2011, 03:34:49 pm »

Hi


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****He will probably be reported under as inadmissible an a decision will be made to either remove him from Canada or issue a TRP (Temporary Resident Permit) ??

-- >> but my husband is a Canadian Citizen.. Are they going to remove him from Canada?

-->> will it affect him to sponsor me? our paper is 6 months already from receipt of our application.


Since you didn't state that he was a CC in your post, (my crystal ball was cloudy that day) It has no effect on your application, unless he does jail time.
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