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sivathegreat
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Category........: FAM
Visa Office......: New Delhi
App. Filed.......: 29-Sep-2011
File Transfer...: 30-Nov-2011
Med's Done....: 06-Aug-2011
Interview........: I will do it to my wife
Passport Req..: 20-Jan-2012
VISA ISSUED...: 30-Feb-2012
LANDED..........: She is flying Today

« Reply #17760 on: January 29, 2012, 02:35:01 pm »

when did you get sponsor approval
Jan 27th Address disappeared for every body.
Hi siva
My hubby approved from ND on 18 jan 2012


your PPR is quick!

I have seen the PPR letter in real for the first time.
And I think that PPR stage is an "insignificant" stage

it is like if you go to hotel the server bring "two glasses of water"
whether you are going to eat there or not

The timeline of approval -> PPR
and                PPR -> DM is so inconsistent
may be it is consistent only we in forum do not know about each persons case
maybe there is a pattern,

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« Reply #17761 on: January 29, 2012, 02:36:27 pm »

Thanks for your reply

..then I applied for him in april 2011, got a letter from CIC that he needs to apply in india to see if his PR is still valid. He applied for one-time travel document, but got rejected..

This had wasted time. If you had applied for Spouse PR in April 2011 why did they ask you to apply in India? DOnt they know that PR becomes invalid automatically. Or is it possibble to "give back life" to an expired PR?
you should have just gone through the regular spouse PR process.
Or did you apply for something other than Spouse PR??

it seems to me that they had wasted time.

I applied for exactly that a spousal PR, and I have been asking myself the same question time and again...

what a waste of time,money and other resources this whole process has been. I mean you make a rule, you stick to it..if a PR expires it expires...and they knew he did not stay for 2 years, still they called him for an interview just to tell him that he did not stay there for two years..I mean really, we knew that all along!!!..ohhh have mercy god!!
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kuku
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Posts: 824
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Category........: FAM
Visa Office......: New Delhi
App. Filed.......: 11/08/2011
Doc's Request.: None so far
AOR Received.: NEVER
IELTS Request: N/A
File Transfer...: 20/10/2011
Med's Request: N/A
Med's Done....: 5/07/2011
Interview........: waived
Passport Req..: 24/11/2011  ( E CAS changed to "In process' on 5/2/2012.
VISA ISSUED...: 12/02/2012
LANDED..........: 10/03/2012

« Reply #17762 on: January 29, 2012, 02:36:42 pm »

Thanks for your reply

..then I applied for him in april 2011, got a letter from CIC that he needs to apply in india to see if his PR is still valid. He applied for one-time travel document, but got rejected..

This had wasted time. If you had applied for Spouse PR in April 2011 why did they ask you to apply in India? DOnt they know that PR becomes invalid automatically. Or is it possibble to "give back life" to an expired PR?
you should have just gone through the regular spouse PR process.
Or did you apply for something other than Spouse PR??

it seems to me that they had wasted time.

PR does not become invalid automatically if he meets the criteria. So CHC ND would like to know if the person who is being sponsored by someone in Canada is still a Canadian PR or Indian citizen. because it makes a huge difference and reduces a burden on CHC ND if that person is still eligible to continue his PR status in which case sponsorship by someone is not required.
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eb1
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« Reply #17763 on: January 29, 2012, 02:40:32 pm »

PR does not become invalid automatically if he meets the criteria. So CHC ND would like to know if the person who is being sponsored by someone in Canada is still a Canadian PR or Indian citizen. because it makes a huge difference and reduces a burden on CHC ND if that person is still eligible to continue his PR status in which case sponsorship by someone is not required.

yes kuku, I agree...but he did not stay the minimum two years required, which means that his PR expires nevertheless...but I am not sure with CHC ND, you could be right here :S
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rajneet
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« Reply #17764 on: January 29, 2012, 02:40:43 pm »

Hey siva r first AOR FROM CPCM 6 dec
And CPC ND PPR ON 18 January
Pp sent on 25
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kuku
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Category........: FAM
Visa Office......: New Delhi
App. Filed.......: 11/08/2011
Doc's Request.: None so far
AOR Received.: NEVER
IELTS Request: N/A
File Transfer...: 20/10/2011
Med's Request: N/A
Med's Done....: 5/07/2011
Interview........: waived
Passport Req..: 24/11/2011  ( E CAS changed to "In process' on 5/2/2012.
VISA ISSUED...: 12/02/2012
LANDED..........: 10/03/2012

« Reply #17765 on: January 29, 2012, 02:49:37 pm »

yes kuku, I agree...but he did not stay the minimum two years required, which means that his PR expires nevertheless...but I am not sure with CHC ND, you could be right here :S

Yeah they could have checked by them selves if they wish. They have an entire system to get arrival-departure records of a PR holder. They can check it and get the number of days he stayed in the country. But again it becomes a long process and by law entirely a new case ( i.e. application for travel document out side the country) and that goes to a different department which could have wasted a more time so they rather preferred to call him for interview on the same case and rejected his travel document.

but again, we have to remember that we are dealing with world's most inconsistent department known as CHC ND. anything can happen any time. No one can predict.
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mapledreams
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Category........: FAM
Visa Office......: New Delhi
App. Filed.......: 22-08-2011
File Transfer...: 28-10-11
Med's Done....: 12-07-11
Interview........: Waived!
Passport Req..: 05-12-11
VISA ISSUED...: 22-01-12
LANDED..........: 10-02-2012

« Reply #17766 on: January 29, 2012, 02:55:51 pm »


 @  Siva

Well, you should be happy if I disagree as well, that gives you the chance to debate with me Wink
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« Reply #17767 on: January 29, 2012, 03:23:27 pm »

siva, kuku, maple dreams, shamsia, ajay & all the guys/girls in the forum; i think i should take a break from the forum n start studying.
im "devoting" too much time here Smiley

kuku & siva - ill message u my email address. please email me when they reach september files or something eye popping happens  Shocked

may the universe grant me strength to stay away from posting here.

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kuku
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Posts: 824
Ratings: +3
Category........: FAM
Visa Office......: New Delhi
App. Filed.......: 11/08/2011
Doc's Request.: None so far
AOR Received.: NEVER
IELTS Request: N/A
File Transfer...: 20/10/2011
Med's Request: N/A
Med's Done....: 5/07/2011
Interview........: waived
Passport Req..: 24/11/2011  ( E CAS changed to "In process' on 5/2/2012.
VISA ISSUED...: 12/02/2012
LANDED..........: 10/03/2012

« Reply #17768 on: January 29, 2012, 03:28:07 pm »

siva, kuku, maple dreams, shamsia, ajay & all the guys/girls in the forum; i think i should take a break from the forum n start studying.
im "devoting" too much time here Smiley

kuku & siva - ill message u my email address. please email me when they reach september files or something eye popping happens  Shocked

may the universe grant me strength to stay away from posting here.



you can check it on regular interval remaining a silent member.  Wink Wink
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sivathegreat
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Posts: 630
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Category........: FAM
Visa Office......: New Delhi
App. Filed.......: 29-Sep-2011
File Transfer...: 30-Nov-2011
Med's Done....: 06-Aug-2011
Interview........: I will do it to my wife
Passport Req..: 20-Jan-2012
VISA ISSUED...: 30-Feb-2012
LANDED..........: She is flying Today

« Reply #17769 on: January 29, 2012, 03:29:43 pm »

PR does not become invalid automatically if he meets the criteria. So CHC ND would like to know if the person who is being sponsored by someone in Canada is still a Canadian PR or Indian citizen. because it makes a huge difference and reduces a burden on CHC ND if that person is still eligible to continue his PR status in which case sponsorship by someone is not required.

Kuku,
I maybe wrong. but this is what I know, To maintain ones PR status in Canada a minimum residency obligation has to be met.
(This is non-negotiable) This is the IRPA Law (see section A28(1), A28(2)(a) of the IRPA
Residency obligation: A permanent resident must comply with a
residency obligation with respect to every five-year period
(namely, test of 730 days/5 years).


Suppose if the person leaves Canada and stays overseas thereby did not fulfill the obligation

a) Pre-PR card (before 2002)
Those days there was no PR-Card.
They might have been issued a Record of Landing and an Immigrant Visa (IMM 1000)
Using this Visa they used to travel up and down within the Visa period
They used this Immigrant Visa as a "Travel Document"
(The Indian Immigration authorities will see this and allow you out, the CBSA will see this and allow you in)

For discussion let us take an example Mr. Munna Bhai who left Canada to India and stayed here for some time and his immigrant Visa expired
now he cannot "travel" to Canada because his "travel document" his expired.

Now we dont know whether Munna Bhai satisfied Residency Obligations or not. What ever it is he may satisfy or may not but still he needs "Travel document" to travel back to Canada. So he applies with CHC-ND for a travel document. The office then first has to determine his "residency obligation" and for this IRPA provided Section A31(3) (it is nothing but laws laid down on "how to" and "what to' for the VO)

If Munna Bhai had satisfied residence obligation then VO issues "Travel Document" if he doesnt then he is not issued a "travel document" stating that he has not met minimum residency obligations and he is "no more a Permanent resident of Canada"


b) Post-PR card (After 2002)
Say for example Mr. "Jaggu Dada" who is a close friend of Munna Bhai and same personality and a staunch follower of Bhai.
He became PR somewhere in 2003 and got the new shiny "PR card"..however Jaggu dada went back to India because Munna Bhai Called him for some joint "danda" .

Now Jaggu dada wants to go back to Canada. two situations

1) He has a PR card which is vald - He can simply take a flight to Canada
2) His PR card is expired - He cannot "travel", Indian Immigration will not allow him. She he has to apply with CHC-ND

now like what they did with Munna Bhai. They will check Jaggu Dada "minimum residency obligation" if he satisfies then he may be given a "Travel Document" so he applies through IMM 5254. Once he re-enters Canada he can will apply for PR Card. Since to my knwoledge PR card is made and issued in Canada only (it is in-country service) only things issued abroad are VISA and COPR.

So in explaining here I have understood EB's case (before that I didnt)
Her husband left to India. His PR expired.
She applied for Spouse Visa through the regular process

CPC-M noted that this person is a PR however not able to (lazy bums..)
or did not want to take the head ache of "Determining PR status" of her husband

so they just said "Apply to your VO" (what for just to get a "travel document"?? you very well know that they will not give)
so that they can determine the residency status of her husband and if he qualifies ND can issue a Travel document
and he can come here as a PR.

However what makes me angry is the "determination part" can be done here in CPC-M
there should have been some way or eb could have said "just do your job, just process it"

what is it going it take for them to determine her husband "residency obligation status" at CPC-M??
It might the stupid law..something might have prevented them from doing it
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sivathegreat
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Posts: 630
Ratings: +7
Category........: FAM
Visa Office......: New Delhi
App. Filed.......: 29-Sep-2011
File Transfer...: 30-Nov-2011
Med's Done....: 06-Aug-2011
Interview........: I will do it to my wife
Passport Req..: 20-Jan-2012
VISA ISSUED...: 30-Feb-2012
LANDED..........: She is flying Today

« Reply #17770 on: January 29, 2012, 03:34:37 pm »

siva, kuku, maple dreams, shamsia, ajay & all the guys/girls in the forum; i think i should take a break from the forum n start studying.
im "devoting" too much time here Smiley
kuku & siva - ill message u my email address. please email me when they reach september files or something eye popping happens  Shocked
may the universe grant me strength to stay away from posting here.

I wanted to do the same man. I am working from Home
and could not complete my projects..!!!

spending too much time here!
best of luck!
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kuku
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Category........: FAM
Visa Office......: New Delhi
App. Filed.......: 11/08/2011
Doc's Request.: None so far
AOR Received.: NEVER
IELTS Request: N/A
File Transfer...: 20/10/2011
Med's Request: N/A
Med's Done....: 5/07/2011
Interview........: waived
Passport Req..: 24/11/2011  ( E CAS changed to "In process' on 5/2/2012.
VISA ISSUED...: 12/02/2012
LANDED..........: 10/03/2012

« Reply #17771 on: January 29, 2012, 03:44:26 pm »


However what makes me angry is the "determination part" can be done here in CPC-M
there should have been some way or eb could have said "just do your job, just process it"

what is it going it take for them to determine her husband "residency obligation status" at CPC-M??
It might the stupid law..something might have prevented them from doing it


Well CPC M works for sponsorship files. Travel documents and PR card renewal is done at other office. So that is what I said in my post, it becomes entirely a new application and they have to spend separate resources and it might take even longer than calling an applicant for personal interview and giving the decision. 
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newdelhi2011
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Med's Done....: july 2011
Passport Req..: 14-12-2011

« Reply #17772 on: January 29, 2012, 03:50:17 pm »

siva, kuku, maple dreams, shamsia, ajay & all the guys/girls in the forum; i think i should take a break from the forum n start studying.
im "devoting" too much time here Smiley

kuku & siva - ill message u my email address. please email me when they reach september files or something eye popping happens  Shocked

may the universe grant me strength to stay away from posting here.



nahiiiiiiiii.... yea hani ho sakta. 
We know you will come back within a day  Tongue. Just check once a day. Don't be a silent observer.
But do focus on your exams and make us proud  Cheesy
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shamsia
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Category........: FAM
Visa Office......: New Delhi
App. Filed.......: 30-06-2011
File Transfer...: 31-08-2011
Med's Done....: 16-06-2011
Interview........: Waived
Passport Req..: 14-11-2011
VISA ISSUED...: 10-01-2012
LANDED..........: March 15th - Saudi Arabia; April 6th - Canada. Inshallah!

« Reply #17773 on: January 29, 2012, 04:00:22 pm »

siva, kuku, maple dreams, shamsia, ajay & all the guys/girls in the forum; i think i should take a break from the forum n start studying.
im "devoting" too much time here Smiley

may the universe grant me strength to stay away from posting here.

Lol, all the best Grin Your next aim is to quit facebook, right?  Roll Eyes Tongue
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sivathegreat
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Posts: 630
Ratings: +7
Category........: FAM
Visa Office......: New Delhi
App. Filed.......: 29-Sep-2011
File Transfer...: 30-Nov-2011
Med's Done....: 06-Aug-2011
Interview........: I will do it to my wife
Passport Req..: 20-Jan-2012
VISA ISSUED...: 30-Feb-2012
LANDED..........: She is flying Today

« Reply #17774 on: January 29, 2012, 04:04:02 pm »

Well CPC M works for sponsorship files. Travel documents and PR card renewal is done at other office. So that is what I said in my post, it becomes entirely a new application and they have to spend separate resources and it might take even longer than calling an applicant for personal interview and giving the decision. 

I agree, I saw your post later after I wrote this story!
maybe if eb could have researched first..but how will she know that?
but still CPC-M is given an application and they should process it and not return it
I think they just didnt know, or did not spend much time
just "passed the buck.."
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