Thoz who got 6-12 months wait letter

[Arsh Ali]

If the person is not receiving original documents then what he needs to do....?

If u haven't sent ur degrees, don't expect other originals as wedding pics etc to come back with this letter

[Arsh Ali]

They are reveiwing the cases on the basis of file submitted to save time and finance.  And if someone has received MR, should stay satisfied that no call would be made at his/her workplace.  They would call at the workplace (during background check) before issuing MR, it will seldom happen if they would call after the submission of the Medical (a point when security check starts)

Agreed its the normal process but the process we r going thru is not devised.. The simply sending hold on to those who submitted docs after June 2010 or refusals.... U got verification last year when they dont have clear plan to wrap up things.. I don't feel anyone got any verification since start of this year..
You r one of the senior members and older than me on this forum (don't consider age please   ) what is ur opinion, is this all a 'itefaq' that all prejuners are getting reviewed, the ones with full doc submission before June 2010 are getting medicals and refusals..where as people getting 6-12 months wait letter or refusal if full doc submission is of June 2010 or later... It's cannot be like that the later stated group is half sent for verification and half refused and the initially stated group is getting medicals and none of them need verifications.... One more point, very few people who are done with medicals got PPR for this quarter as I guess this Quota phenomenon does exist......

[hinnajamal]

Agreed its the normal process but the process we r going thru is not devised.. The simply sending hold on to those who submitted docs after June 2010 or refusals.... U got verification last year when they dont have clear plan to wrap up things.. I don't feel anyone got any verification since start of this year..
You r one of the senior members and older than me on this forum (don't consider age please  ) what is ur opinion, is this all a 'itefaq' that all prejuners are getting reviewed, the ones with full doc submission before June 2010 are getting medicals and refusals..where as people getting 6-12 months wait letter or refusal if full doc submission is of June 2010 or later... It's cannot be like that the later stated group is half sent for verification and half refused and the initially stated group is getting medicals and none of them need verifications.... One more point, very few people who are done with medicals got PPR for this quarter as I guess this Quota phenomenon does exist......

I have been on this forum since 2009 but became active in 2010.  I have witnessed the trends changed at the CHC/ CIC.  The total visa quota for the CHC London is 12,600 for the 2012.  Some applicants have been prioritised and hence they were sent the MRs.  there is nothing prejudiced, i feel, being a Pre-Juner because the Canadian Parliament has approved and advised the Immigration Unit to prefer the MI-3 as compared to the MI-2/1; so do not take that letter of 6/12 months in a wrong way.  Consider you would have been rejected, then what had u done? nothing.  you are on the safe side.  hope for the best.

[Kashifshah]

Very informative comment received on 6 -to - 12 Month wait letter in LinkedIn group.

LinkedIn Groups
Group: Canadian Citizenship and Immigration Forum
Discussion: 6 to 12 Months hold letter

Hi All,
Those who have received the 6/12 months wait letter, their cases are on background/security check as Lilia had said in her earlier post which would take 6/12 months' timeframe. Also, the visa office can contact before the said time limit if the deeper scrutiny stands completed. So, it's a positive step as, at least, the applicants are out of uncertainty, unlike those who are receiving rejection letters on the grounds of Job Duties being mismatched.
The argument of Fed. Skilled Workers visa quota is closer to an end is equally competent because the FSW visa quota for the London Visa Office is 12,600 out of total of 61,000 for the current calendar year.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/ips/economic.asp
I request Lilia and Martin to share knowledge about the formation of ECU at the visa offices as it is assumed many cases, like the ones with 6/12 months letters, are being referred to this Unit?
Thanks in anticipation..

[Arsh Ali]

I have been on this forum since 2009 but became active in 2010.  I have witnessed the trends changed at the CHC/ CIC.  The total visa quota for the CHC London is 12,600 for the 2012.  Some applicants have been prioritised and hence they were sent the MRs.  there is nothing prejudiced, i feel, being a Pre-Juner because the Canadian Parliament has approved and advised the Immigration Unit to prefer the MI-3 as compared to the MI-2/1; so do not take that letter of 6/12 months in a wrong way.  Consider you would have been rejected, then what had u done? nothing.  you are on the safe side.  hope for the best.

I know you are quite old on this forum as I joined in Nov 2011..I know the VISA quota for CHC london thing. Moreover I am quite contained with this letter as the oldest one to get one dated 21st March
I guess I was not able to make my point in last post, First of all my question was not regarding all MI 1,2 & 3, I specifically inquired about MI1.... Hence the highlighted line, I donot agree with, in MI1 case..... let me rephrase my query, do you think that out of all MI 1 applicants, they prioritised the group who submitted full docs before June 2010 and send them medicals or refusals where as the group with less priority (as u said), like us, are getting 6-12 months letter and refusals.... so I dont think they have any priority on NOC basis in MI1, they divided them in two groups on full doc submission base, first group got medicals and second group got 6-12 letters as per VISA quota issue....

[Kashifshah]

April 17, 2012, Minister Kenney announced two additional changes that will help transform Canada's immigration system. One proposed change would help CIC ensure FSW applicants meet current labour market needs. It would allow new rules set out in Ministerial Instructions to apply to people who have already submitted an application. For example, instructions could place a priority on a specific occupation, such as doctors, and have existing applications from doctors processed first, regardless of where they are in the queue.

A similar change would allow new regulations, once approved, to apply retrospectively to people who have already submitted an application. These changes would help ensure that immigrants are chosen based on Canada's current needs and priorities.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/media/releases/2012/2012-04-17.asp


Now category wise queue is a new queue system. In which category in demand will process first. I find out why they send letter to pre-june 2010 for wait 1 year, 2 year etc. There are lot of applicant in pre-june 2010 according to VO letter 144000 applicants did not receive any final decision. For example NOC 4131 status in Canadian Occupational Projection System graph.
http://www23.hrsdc.gc.ca/occupationsummarydetail.jsp?&tid=57
Projection of Cumulative Job Openings and Job Seekers over the Period of 2011-2020
   Level    Share
Expansion Demand:        10,922            21%
Retirements:                34,444            68%
Other Replacement Demand: 4,104      8%
Emigration:                        1,505            3%
Projected Job Openings:      50,975       100%

   Level    Share
School Leavers:    21,802    64%
Immigration:    5,406    16%
Net Mobility    6,789    20%
Projected Job Seekers:    33,997    100%
They are selecting 5406(16% share in projected job seekers) applicants in next 9 years from NOC 4131.
Per year projection is 600 applicants and this is near about cap 500 of applications. The another thing which impact on immigration system is visa quota per year. So overall if they create new category wise queue system and priority first in first out and if this new rule apply on pre-june 2010.
New rule benefit is pre-june 2010 case process first then new case in same category. Loss is that there are lot of applicants so wait is long. So there are no chance to add old NOC under process in new 2012 list on 5 july. One another thing visa quota can give advantage to pre-june 2010.
Visa quota this year is 57000. So if this quota can not achieve from priority applicants then this may be achieve from pre-june 2010 applicants. This is the reason why they are not processing fast pre-june 2010 application.
Formule for estimate time according to new proposed rule :- How much time will take to process an application?
Start Queue Index + Applicant Queue Index / 500(Cap on Category) = Years

Hope they will process our application soon.
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[eemmoo1]

April 17, 2012, Minister Kenney announced two additional changes that will help transform Canada's immigration system. One proposed change would help CIC ensure FSW applicants meet current labour market needs. It would allow new rules set out in Ministerial Instructions to apply to people who have already submitted an application. For example, instructions could place a priority on a specific occupation, such as doctors, and have existing applications from doctors processed first, regardless of where they are in the queue.

A similar change would allow new regulations, once approved, to apply retrospectively to people who have already submitted an application. These changes would help ensure that immigrants are chosen based on Canada's current needs and priorities.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/media/releases/2012/2012-04-17.asp


Now category wise queue is a new queue system. In which category in demand will process first. I find out why they send letter to pre-june 2010 for wait 1 year, 2 year etc. There are lot of applicant in pre-june 2010 according to VO letter 144000 applicants did not receive any final decision. For example NOC 4131 status in Canadian Occupational Projection System graph.
http://www23.hrsdc.gc.ca/occupationsummarydetail.jsp?&tid=57
Projection of Cumulative Job Openings and Job Seekers over the Period of 2011-2020
   Level    Share
Expansion Demand:        10,922            21%
Retirements:                34,444            68%
Other Replacement Demand: 4,104      8%
Emigration:                        1,505            3%
Projected Job Openings:      50,975       100%

   Level    Share
School Leavers:    21,802    64%
Immigration:    5,406    16%
Net Mobility    6,789    20%
Projected Job Seekers:    33,997    100%
They are selecting 5406(16% share in projected job seekers) applicants in next 9 years from NOC 4131.
Per year projection is 600 applicants and this is near about cap 500 of applications. The another thing which impact on immigration system is visa quota per year. So overall if they create new category wise queue system and priority first in first out and if this new rule apply on pre-june 2010.
New rule benefit is pre-june 2010 case process first then new case in same category. Loss is that there are lot of applicants so wait is long. So there are no chance to add old NOC under process in new 2012 list on 5 july. One another thing visa quota can give advantage to pre-june 2010.
Visa quota this year is 57000. So if this quota can not achieve from priority applicants then this may be achieve from pre-june 2010 applicants. This is the reason why they are not processing fast pre-june 2010 application.
Formule for estimate time according to new proposed rule :- How much time will take to process an application?
Start Queue Index + Applicant Queue Index / 500(Cap on Category) = Years

Hope they will process our application soon.
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You have done an excellent research. But things are very uncertain when it comes to CIC and Kenney. There are two applicants in staralihaiders list canada1234 and hinnajamal. Both have same timelines and NOC but received different response from London. Nothing can be assured or ascertained of what is going around in CIC at the moment.

4131   Canada1234   19-07-10   IP 06-03-12   04-08-10   No   08-05-12    No      No 
4131   Hinnajamal           19-07-10   6to12 M.wait   31-08-10   13-08-10   No    No      No 

[Arsh Ali]

April 17, 2012, Minister Kenney announced two additional changes that will help transform Canada's immigration system. One proposed change would help CIC ensure FSW applicants meet current labour market needs. It would allow new rules set out in Ministerial Instructions to apply to people who have already submitted an application. For example, instructions could place a priority on a specific occupation, such as doctors, and have existing applications from doctors processed first, regardless of where they are in the queue.

A similar change would allow new regulations, once approved, to apply retrospectively to people who have already submitted an application. These changes would help ensure that immigrants are chosen based on Canada's current needs and priorities.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/media/releases/2012/2012-04-17.asp


Now category wise queue is a new queue system. In which category in demand will process first. I find out why they send letter to pre-june 2010 for wait 1 year, 2 year etc. There are lot of applicant in pre-june 2010 according to VO letter 144000 applicants did not receive any final decision. For example NOC 4131 status in Canadian Occupational Projection System graph.
http://www23.hrsdc.gc.ca/occupationsummarydetail.jsp?&tid=57
Projection of Cumulative Job Openings and Job Seekers over the Period of 2011-2020
   Level    Share
Expansion Demand:        10,922            21%
Retirements:                34,444            68%
Other Replacement Demand: 4,104      8%
Emigration:                        1,505            3%
Projected Job Openings:      50,975       100%

   Level    Share
School Leavers:    21,802    64%
Immigration:    5,406    16%
Net Mobility    6,789    20%
Projected Job Seekers:    33,997    100%
They are selecting 5406(16% share in projected job seekers) applicants in next 9 years from NOC 4131.
Per year projection is 600 applicants and this is near about cap 500 of applications. The another thing which impact on immigration system is visa quota per year. So overall if they create new category wise queue system and priority first in first out and if this new rule apply on pre-june 2010.
New rule benefit is pre-june 2010 case process first then new case in same category. Loss is that there are lot of applicants so wait is long. So there are no chance to add old NOC under process in new 2012 list on 5 july. One another thing visa quota can give advantage to pre-june 2010.
Visa quota this year is 57000. So if this quota can not achieve from priority applicants then this may be achieve from pre-june 2010 applicants. This is the reason why they are not processing fast pre-june 2010 application.
Formule for estimate time according to new proposed rule :- How much time will take to process an application?
Start Queue Index + Applicant Queue Index / 500(Cap on Category) = Years

Hope they will process our application soon.
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So high chances Prejuners will not be part of new changes as it will only help if the revised NOC list got categories same of MI 1 applicants... or if its not included in it then it is the same situation as we are facing now.... so I still dont feel they linger on MI 1 applicants any more as very few of NOCs are going to be repeated in new lists as they have already exhausted rather over issued to some NOCs in order to clear the backlogs.... My opinion.. other may differ.....

[coolguy2010]

Hi All,

Finally i got the waiting letter (no other documents) dated 24/4/2012 received on 19th May 2012.

In document submission, I had not submitted original education certificates except other documents such as employment related, banks letters, were original.

Anyway I am not affected , if the documents are not returned as all were temporary documents for Immigration purpose.

In letter, they have clearly stated that please don't contact us atleast 12 months unless there are changes in your file such as employment change, etc.


Regards
Cool


 

[eemmoo1]

Hi All,

Finally i got the waiting letter (no other documents) dated 24/4/2012 received on 19th May 2012.

In document submission, I had not submitted original education certificates and other documents such as employment related, banks letters, were original.

Anyway I am not affected , if the documents are not returned as all were temporary documents for Immigration purpose.

In letter, they have clearly stated that please don't contact us atleast 12 months unless there are changes in your file such as employment change, etc.


Regards
Cool


 

Welcome to WAITING CLUB

[coolguy2010]

Thanks boss......

Welcome to WAITING CLUB

[Arsh Ali]

You have done an excellent research. But things are very uncertain when it comes to CIC and Kenney. There are two applicants in staralihaiders list canada1234 and hinnajamal. Both have same timelines and NOC but received different response from London. Nothing can be assured or ascertained of what is going around in CIC at the moment.

4131   Canada1234   19-07-10   IP 06-03-12   04-08-10   No   08-05-12    No      No 
4131   Hinnajamal           19-07-10   6to12 M.wait   31-08-10   13-08-10   No    No      No 

Obviously its not gender biasedness .... do any one think that initial application submission date also counts?

[eemmoo1]

Obviously its not gender biasedness .... do any one think that initial application submission date also counts?

No i dont think so. Processing times starts when complete application is received at respective visa office.

[Arsh Ali]

You have done an excellent research. But things are very uncertain when it comes to CIC and Kenney. There are two applicants in staralihaiders list canada1234 and hinnajamal. Both have same timelines and NOC but received different response from London. Nothing can be assured or ascertained of what is going around in CIC at the moment.

4131   Canada1234   19-07-10   IP 06-03-12   04-08-10   No   08-05-12    No      No 
4131   Hinnajamal           19-07-10   6to12 M.wait   31-08-10   13-08-10   No    No      No 

Ms. HinnaJamal can you please share the date of your initial approval/full doc request....

[nizami]

its mentioned in my 6-12 month letter that all irreplaceable docs have been returned. However i have recieved nothing but that letter so far.

Same line is also mentioned in my letter as well and i haven't received any of my documents, Just the letter.