Sponsorship Evaluation - Double checking that I have done this right?

[Boracay]

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pdf/kits/forms/IMM5481E.PDF

The confusing part for me is on the right side

I am a Canadian Citizen sponsoring my common law partner from The Philippines.
She has 1 dependent child who will not be joining us. I am not and have never tried to sponsor anyone else.

I'm going to write what I think it should be but please correct me if I'm wrong....

4. Yourself

This is 1

Current Undertaking
5A - Number of persons included in boxes 1 to 4 on Section C on IMM1344

My answer would be 1, as I am only sponsoring the principal applicant?

Previous Undertakings

My answer for all would be 0, because I've had no previous undertakings

6A - Persons not included in 5
Your spouse or common law partner

Although I am looking to sponsor my common law partner, is the answer is 0 because she was wrote as 1 in 5A

6B - Every other family member not included in the above and dependent on you (the sponsor) whether they are living with me or not.

This one I'm a little bit confused about because she does have a dependent child but that child is not financially dependent on me. The child lives with my partners parents and are financially dependent on them, however once in a while my partner will send them money, but that is strictly from her and not me.

So my guess would be 0?

7 - Add the total numbers together

So my guess is 2. Which is myself and my partner.

But I'm just ensuring I ask first so I don't do it wrong

Thanks everyone =)

[CharlieD10]

You are correct.

[chelley]

keeping in mind that if she ever wants to sponsor that child in the future, they should be included in the application (as non accompanying)

(i know mind my business, but sometimes people don't know this and find out the hard way when they try to sponsor an undeclared dependent...)

[canadianwoman]

I'm going to write what I think it should be but please correct me if I'm wrong....

Current Undertaking
5A - Number of persons included in boxes 1 to 4 on Section C on IMM1344

My answer would be 1, as I am only sponsoring the principal applicant?

But isn't your partner's child listed in box 4 (non-accompanying family members) on Section C of IMM1344?
In which case it will be '2'.

[Boracay]

She let me know she has no plans to sponsor the child, however I am firm that we will include the child in the application in case she changes her mind, and don't want something like that resting on my conscience if it wasn't possible for her in the future. So we must leave this open ended.

Canadianwoman. I believe you are correct! omg...I was sure I was right to, in fact I just erased a different message stating "Correct me if I'm wrong but....." and then I double checked and realized that it's continued on the next page.

Number 4 is for non-accompanying family members, which yes I included her daughter.
btw...I checked the box "Dependent Child" and then it says "A, B, C" what does that mean?

Also now I'm realizing I should be including her legal husband here in The Philippines as an non-accompanying family member also?

So maybe that box should state 3???

And then the total when adding them all together "Question 7" would be 4 ??

[chelley]

No you shouldn't include her estranged husband... Only include the applicant and eligible dependents... Her estranged husband would not be eligible to be sponsored by you and hopefully wouldn't qualify as an eligible dependent

[canadianwoman]

Don't include her husband. The marriage is over.

Even though your partner does not want to sponsor her child, one sure way to complicate and delay a sponsorship case is to not have a child examined as part of the application. List her as non-accompanying, get her medicals and photos done, and everything should be fine.

[Boracay]

Great! Thanks so much to both of you. Glad I checked this out before proceeding.
Good karma for both of you =)

[Boracay]

While we're on the subject of adding her estranged husband on the forms.

Are their any we must add him to?

IMM008 - Application for Permanent Residence for Canada
Question 10 - Have you ever been married or in a common law relationship?
We answered yes here and provided his info as requested

And then on page 2 - Details of Family members
It clearly states that we must include her spouse or common law partner who are already not permanent residents of Canada.

Do we add him there?

.........

And I'm wondering if we add him to.....

IMM5406 - Additional Family information
Section A - Spouse or Common Law Partner

I am her common law partner, he is her spouse, I am confused here!

[chelley]

No,for the purposes of this undertaking, you are her spouse/partner... CIC considers her marriage as over for all extensive purposes... You are the one who is now claiming the marriage/marriage like relationship with her and she can only legally have one of these at any given time here...

Answer questions about her past marriages honestly but the status of that relationship is what we would consider as voluntarily separated, here when voluntary separation (due to relationship break down) exceeds a period of time (one year I believe?), the person is considered effectively single (ie all spousal commitments/status are severed)...

I believe that's how it works

[missmini]

i guess i would write both him as spuse ( mentioned ex-spouse or something) and you for sure; but i'm not sure...on one hand u want to be honest and make them see the whole picture clearly on another hand u want to fill the forms correctly 

try the manilla thread, especially people who already finished or r close to finish in similar siuation with u...phillippinnes ways and laws r so different, u need advice from people from there

abt her daughter, even if she does not want to take her now to canada u never know in the future...from what i saw with others ca is very strict with this aspect, especially concerning children, i think she's non accompanying member and u might need to have her medicals done too (depends on her age)....but if she's not accompanying her maybe u don't need to add her in the undertaking, my guess...read well the manuals abt this and also see stories abt non-accompanying children so u have a better idea.....the most important be patient and don't rush the file preparation....it's more important to submit it well good luck!

[canadianwoman]

And then on page 2 - Details of Family members
It clearly states that we must include her spouse or common law partner who are already not permanent residents of Canada.

Do we add him there?

It says 'if applicable'. I don't think he is 'applicable' - they mean someone who is being sponsored now, or might be sponsored in the future. That marriage is over, and she won't ever be able to sponsor him.

[Boracay]

Just thought of a new related question....

In the region specific form for The Philippines.

The following original documents are required.
..
marriage certificate
...etc
No Record of marriage (Cenomar) or Advisory on Marriages (AOM)
etc

Regarding her estranged husband I have him included in the section it asks about previous marriage, name, birthday etc
But I have deleted him as a family member because the marriage is over and we of course do not consider him a family member.

However the form asks for either a marriage certificate or cenomar.
Should we be including the marriage certificate even though it's to someone else?

[missmini]

i think the marriage certificate would be the marriage with u

since she cannot have the no record of marriage write a letter explaining why, give proof that the anullement is in process if u have it....this is just my logical guess, maybe people with more experience in the region could jump in

[Boracay]

yeah....because if I send the marriage certificate of someone else, I'm sure they mean of us.
But otherwise they want the certificate of no marriage which she can not provide.

Maybe it's best to send a copy of the marriage certificate and then a letter of explanation why we sent it?

I'm just concerned that if we send nothing then they will request something and it will just delay the process.