Sponsoring a spouse from Egypt

[mnassar]

still no news Egypt007 ?

[Egypt007]

no not yet... I'll keep you guys posted if i find anything out...

Yes, Allah kariam giden, wa howa alam beena...

[mnassar]

RABENA ma3aky w ma3ana kolena
plz tameneena awel mate3rafy anything isa
3ereft any number leehom wala lessa ?

[poetresse]

OH this is a great thread of info here,, but i still have so many questions......

to get the marriage done, can we go to a mosque/ masjid or what?

how long must I stay in Cairo before I can return to Canada...is there a certain amount of time I must stay there for?...i have been informed that my passport will be sealed for a month is that true and if so do you know why?
 i'm just so confused...and i dont really know any arabic, so full english would be great.....so in that case...what do these mean?

• ytwasak
  

qaid aeli

• raqam qawmi
  

All and any help would be appreciated, thanks

[fairouzm]

ytwasak means legalized by the foreign affairs ministry
Raqam qawmi =identification card with national number much like a SIN card but with a photo.
Qaid aeli=family compisition record for you and your husband.

To get the marriage done you have to go to ma'zoon who is the person who performs the marriages. Your future husband should know. You can stay as long as u want. Nobody will take ur passport from u. I don't think. Nobody took mine.  I would prefer if u stay with ur husband for sometime so you can gather proof of ur relationship. IE trips. wedding photos, keep everything, wedding receipts, anything u buy for him, calling cards, gifts, bus tickets, trip tickets, entry stamp for entering egypt! emails, chats via webcam(screen shots).photos, make sure  you take some intimate photos ie hugging each other, holding hands :)

Fairouz

[fairouzm]

Poetresse

I would advice that he gets his paper done first. He can transilate his papers, ie the birth certificate has to be transilated from the health ministry in lazoughly, military exemption or military service certificate, id, etc.

you have also to request an Option C printout from Canada Revenue Agency. Read the forms carefully so u don't miss anything that can cause delay.

[poetresse]

fairouzm,
thank you so kindly for your help...i know he may know everything, but i would also like to, i don't want to be left in the dark so to speak....he mentioned that i would need 5 pictures, passport size...not sure yet if we will get married when i go there in february 2009,, but my mother gave me her old wedding dress to alter...it would be nice to wear it when we get married, so that is why i asked about the masjid...so what is a ma'zoon? and i have some friends i will be traveling with
i have kept what i can, cause i really wasn't aware we had to...i have a pic of us with his arm around me at khan el khalili....i have calling cards, airplane ticket from my visit, i have everything i saved from my trip in a scrapbook...as i have some family there that i visited and places i went to, without him...so there all in the book, emails, chats, still shots he took of himself on his webcam,
anyways....i have most of these things....i think i am rambling on now, but really thank you oh so much

[poetresse]

what is a family composition record, what does this consist of exactly?

[fairouzm]

the ma'zoon is the guy who performs the wedding cermony and you will have to sign the marriage contract and things like that.  It depends though if he is a Muslim will go through Ma'zoon coz this is the islamic way to get married. However, if he is Chrisitan, then you can marry through the church which I can't advice you anything about as I never got married in Church before.

I would take photos in Egypt. :) Don't take them in Canada or you will pay fortune there. You will need more than 5 photos considering you will be doing many papers. I would just have them ready. I had more than 10 anyways and most of them are gone now! Make sure the whiteground is white and if I was you, i would just do it here. It costs about 3 or 4 dollars to get a whole bunch of them. Canadian passport photos are different size than the ones that Egyptian wants   4 by 6.


The family compisition record is just a paper that lists your husband's name at the top and below in a table it lists you as his wife and then if you have any childern you will have to update that.

[fairouzm]

about how long you should stay in Cairo,

I would recommend  you stay until you get ur papers done. which may take a few days, months, or two months! It depends highly on the employee. My husband doesn't like to pay a penny to employees to get jobs done. So we end up waiting for a month and a half for our family compisition record which we later understood taht the person who did it, wanted money but my husband didn't catch it. The family compisition record doesn't list your citizenship and she was telling us that we will have to change that as the form in the computers said Egyptian. Anyways, after getting tired, my husband told her to print it and fix it by her hand. There wasn't any citizenship field so she was like oh, it must of have been changed or fixed.

For transilation, I highly recommend the office I listed on this thread. The lady is knowledgable  and she will not mislead you and they charge reasonable prices. + they are certified by the Canadian Embassy. we were scammed by another office telling us that they were certified and they were not. Plus we had to wait a week to get documents like entry stamp transilated. Oh one more thing, when we made a mistake in our family compisition record by not legalizing the arabic version of it first, she fixed it for free although she had warrned us about it.  I am so impressed by their service. :) You don't get that alot in here.

Good luck! :) and Wish you a happy stay in Egypt! Dont' forget to try their amazing mango juice! :) I don''t know if you have been in Egypt before around February. Bring with you advil cold and sinus. Much needed :)

[poetresse]

Thanks once again...i doubt i will need any advil, as I hardly ever get colds here, but i'll bring one anyhow....i can only take a month max off from work or i will loose my job and i'm not willing to do that....still didn't say whether it would take place in a mosque...we are both muslim, so from the way you said it about christians going to a church to have it done, i'm assuming the mosque is the place....am i wrong?
Thank you so much for all your help...i would have asked my fiance myself, but sometimes it is difficult for him to explain in english..

[fairouzm]

Hello,

Yes you can get married in a mosque. Most people do it in three places. Azhar mosque, Noor Mosque, or Husein Mosque (I don't recomend that one) I would do it in Azhar. But you will have to bring your own ma'zoon and stuff like that. I think u can get it done in a month if you act aggrisivally. If anything is missing, your husband can do it for u. I would plan and have most paper done.

So what you will have to do is to get marriage certificate-- have it transilated from justice department in lazoghuly.
get ur husband's identification card changed to say married 75 le for rush service and usually takes about 4 days.
and then get ur family compisistion record. I advice you to start filling and looking the forms way before ur marriage. Read the guides and be much prepared. Then u can do it in a month so you don't be panicing especially in ur honeymoon :)

Fairouz

[mnassar]

hay poetresse & welcome on board

i got married in "masjed el shorta" at salah salem st. , its really calssy & thier service is great & they got yr marr. cert. done in only 2 weeks or mayb less
so i ll recommend that one so badly

My advice to u poetresse is to gather as much evedience 4 yr relation as u can caz this is their main concern abt the sponsorship process

GOOD LUCK!!

well done fairouzm , u r really a good guide masha2 ALLAH

oh i wanna ask u fairouzm  abt my qaied , after i got it should i go 1st to legalize it from foriegn affairs then happy land for translation then sigil madani to stamp the translated one then forieng affair to legalize the translation?
am i right

[fairouzm]

Hello Mnassar,

So you got ur qaid already mashallah! Good for you! where did u get it from ard el ma3ared?

After you get it from the sigil madni take it to the foriegn ministry (the arabic version before you transilate it) as they will not stamp the transilation for that one as it is not official transilation. Then take it to the happy international business center. I know I said happy land before but I don't know where I got that land part from :D but it doesn't have a land in the name. She will do it for u right away no waiting for days or anything! Good luck! We paid 30 LE

Fairouz

[mnassar]

looool

sounds so funny "happy land" , everytime i hear that name i keep laughing :))

anyway , i didnt get my qied yet am still waiting for it to b issued but thank u very much :))

but wat do u mean by ard el ma3ared??
& concerning the 2e3fa record , just take it to happy int. 4 translation or there's something else?

thanks alot

[Nessy]

Hey guys, sorry i havent been on in a while. I havent had any internet access in a while. I have been reading through all ur posts and i just have a few quick questions.
First: Concerning, The army certificate thing for my husband that says his army is postponed, does that have to be translated? certified? or what? does he have to send the original?? He tells me it will be really hard to get another one,if he has to send the original? ya3ni original certificate? translated one? certified?...i dont know someone help.

Second: Are u guys sure that the Happy Land translation place is certified/approved, i was told to go to this place in Heliopolis (dont remember the name?), but 4 papers are for 1000 L.E? That is waaay to much for me.

Last: I'm going to be travelling to Canada to mail the applications from there. I want to make sure i have everything done, translated/certified/etc. before going. Do i,being the canadian sponsor have to get anything done from Egypt? I have been in Egypt for the past 4 years? + Do i have to get medical tests done??.

Thanks in Advance

[fairouzm]

I am just as you poetresse, I rarley got colds while I was in Canada despite the harsh weather. Here in Egypt, I get them every other week for some reason :)

Well, the qaid aeli shouldn't take long, don't let anybody mislead u as what happened with us. ok :)

well, the lady told us to go to ard el ma3ared for something. I forgot. She said they are quick over there. Check if there is sigil madni there. i don't know as I stopped going with my hubby. I let him do all the hard work.

Yah for the aefa just take it to happy international and that is it.

[fairouzm]

Hello Nessy!

Don't send the original army certificate as he will not be able to get a new one. Just take a copy for transilation. Happy international business center is not that expensive. In fact it was less than the amount we paid before for 4 pages as well. lol. We were scammed big time. They transilate the birth certificates for the health ministry and the lady herself said to my husband that they are certified by the canadian embassy and they accept documents from them. It is in medan lazoughly. A transilation copy of the military certificate will be fine! The embassy is closed today, but last time they said to me any place that is certified is accepted so we will see i guess.

Fairouz

[mnassar]

thnx fairouzm

[Nessy]

Thanks Fairouz,

Wallahi ur awesome.

Anyways, what is the latest with everyone applications?
I'm still filling out the application/gathering all the documents, Thank god for this forum, or else i would have probably already sent it in without having half the stuff done.

I just have another question, the rakaam qawmi, we went in to get our marital status changed and its been 2 weeks now and i still didnt get it back.

I was supposed to be off to Canada this weekend, but i had to postpone my ticket for that.
I'm pretty much done with everything except for translating my husband's army papers and getting qued el 2ali done
I'm getting really furious, i dont know what to do..

[fairouzm]

Oh Nessy,

You should of done the express form for changing the raqam qawmi. it is for 75LE and they do it in three days. My husband got it after 4 days. I hate how things work out in Egypt. You should see how the shovelled us like cows when we went to do the raqam qawmi the police guy didn't even listen to us and put us in the wrong lineup. :)   We left and then the next day we went to another office to do it.  So which office are you doing your raqam qawmi from?
God help you!

[Nessy]

I'm doing it from Ism Madinata Nasr 2, they told me today that if we wanted it faster, we could go to the abassiya to pick it up. And when we went to Abasiya they told us that it isnt possible and that we have to pick it up from Madinat nasr.
No Body Knows Anything in Egypt.
I decided to leave everything else for my husband to do on his own.

[mnassar]

this is all fake

u can do it from anywhere caz everything now is computarized but they dont wanna do their work properly , they think that they r the kings of this country & we r their slaves.
thats sucksss

anyway , GOD bless u
ISA khier

[fairouzm]

ohhhhhh, the police station would take long to do. This is right if you do it fast, you have to go to the abassaya or zatoon. This is what they have told us. We tried abasya first but then my husband went to zatoon and got it there in 4 days. I know it is a lot of work to get anything in Egypt. But the qaid aeli shouldn't take long to do at all. My husband did the qaid aeli in abasya and be careful not to wait a month like us. They will tell u a computer has to fix something and blah blah blah. Just tell them to print what they have and it will be fine! Good luck guys!

Fairouz

[mnassar]

Egypt007 any news abt yr situation?
i hope everything is fine