should i really worry about the canadian embassy in morocco ?

[med]

am reall so grateful to all of u for writing back to me , so after having read ur replies abt m case of marriage with no formal pictures of wedding and how could this affect my application for PR . here are some more info . plz tell me would the fact that we have been talking to each other for 20 months and she has been here three times and we have plenty of pictures of her and me and my friends and the fact that she is calling me on phone everyday for 20 months and the fact that we have letters from her parents and friends congratulating us and we also have a couple of pictures of her and me in the day we we were married we took some of us in a restaurant exchaning rings and having food but just the two of us we also have the proof that we didnt have time the marriage date and the ticket date were just one day different we got married on tuesda and she went on thursday , will all these facts together with the fact that am holding an official governmental post as a teacher financiall stable and living alone will all these things make my situation better , plz need answers and thanks so much us if it could help plz i need ur opinion s again
 med

[RPM]

Hi,
The country I come from (India), even if we dont have wedding pictures, a marriage certificate with 2 reference letters from the witness would suffice. Of course in the covering letter we need to mention why an eloborate wedding could not be performed in detail. I know a at least 3 succussful cases from India in this situation. I am not 100% sure about Morocco though. Considering the rejection rate in Morocco is high compared to other countries, maybe you should call the help desk and find out the solution.

And, in this forum itself go through the topic, "sponsoring husband from Morocco". I am sure this issue has been discussed there.

Good luck

[BettyPage]

RPM is right read the topic about Morocco.

IMHO your situation is not gonna look good to the embassy in Rabat. This embassy really does enjoy refusing people for the smallest of issues and not having a single wedding photo and not having a formal wedding is more then a little issue where an IO in Rabat is concerned.

We all that have gotten married in Morocco know what it was like, running around to get the paperwork in order. My husband and I planned ahead and had the wedding ceremony at his families house prepared well in advance and were married at the "adul" only a day before the huge reception at the house. I too left shortly after wedding , 4 days after my wedding but have returned a few times since then to visit.

My recommendation to you both is, to fill out the application and write a letter explaining the time crunch you were under and why there are no photos of the wedding day but include as many photos as you have of the two of you together with family/friends of her trips there. Also, send in your proof or correspondence and letters from family wouldn't hurt either.

But the biggest and most important is that she needs to go back and visit you ASAP and then send in that to the embassy as well, pics of her visit say for your honeymoon or do have a wedding reception since you didn't have time in her earlier visit. Really this is key and important and will be vital for your case.
Other then that, unless there is a huge age difference between the two of you, you should be ok.

[med]

thanks very much for ur replies its really nice of you . plz tell me would the fact that we have been talking to each other for 20 months and she has been here three times and we have plenty of pictures of her and me and my friends and the fact that she is calling me on phone everyday for 20 months and the fact that we have letters from her parents and friends congratulating us and we also have a couple of pictures of her and me in the day we we were married we took some of us in a restaurant exchaning rings and having food but just the two of us we also have the proof that we didnt have time the marriage date and the ticket date were just one day different we got married on tuesda and she went on thursday , will all these facts together with the fact that am holding an official governmental post as a teacher financiall stable and living alone will all these things make my situation better , plz need answers and thanks so much

[frolic]

I understand the issues of paperwork and love and wanting to get things done and start a life together sooner than later since I have done it and am in the middle of the paperwork wait now.  

But...I have to ask, is the paperwork so hard to fix in Morocco that many people run into this issue of no real reception and no pictures?  I had my honeymoon in Morocco so please don't think I am judging the country or people.  

[boujasim]

hello,i have a situation similar to med, but iam applying thru damascus office, u think its easier there?
from what ive seen the majority of ppl applying from here are getting their PR.

[RPM]

Med,

I am not sure if you should be worried but from what I have read in this forum, Rabat Embassy is one of the difficult one's. While 20 months of correspondence, a good job with the govt, stable financial condition with taxes paid on time is a good thing, no pictures with lots of friends and family (like Betty Page said) "could" still go against you. Of course there is also a possiblity that you will also get a visa even without an interview (From Rabat, a little unlikely considering you have no wedding pictures). Can she travel back for another vacation(honeymoon)?

I know its difficult to get time-off from work, specially in these market conditions.

[BettyPage]

Frolic,

It takes at best about 2 weeks to get married in Morocco. It's an imperial system so there's lots of documents to be stamped here, authorized there, notorized over here, run back to this ministry and get verified, then go to that office and get authenticated...etc...etc so yes it does take time, is it impossible? absolutely not.

I knew this going in and we had a great Adul who gave us a "to do list" and so we just followed that but at the same time set a date for the wedding, invited guests, organized performers, musicians, dresses, etc etc while still running around getting documents done. Thank God for my mother-in-law who pretty much arranged the entire wedding ceremony and hired all the help she needed for the day. We had a lot of wedding guests, tons of pics and a 3 hour video so it's totally doable in Morocco in a short period of time.

What city did you honeymoon in?

[med]

i dont think so,  morocco is like all other countries there are administrative procedures one has to go through but the problem is if u had no idea abt that and u think its eas to get married and ur wife brings just a couple of weeks then u ll have trouble am sure . plus how can they  build thier   decision whether the marriage is genuine or not over a bunch of pictures of marriage , one can easily  invite friends and make a fake ceremony . some of thier questions look silly .

[med]

well am really shocked at how hard to get a visa . i never thought it ll be like tht at all . anyway its better that i expect the worse i hope i had know this forum before it would have saved me alot of work . do u think that the mississauga office will have any issue abt my case or the problem is just withe canadian embassy in morocco.
for frolic i live in agadir and work there too

[frolic]

Ok so it is not that much different than what I experienced.

I got married in Russia...and they have thier own rules and paperwork requirements of course.  First you can only apply for a wedding date a month in advance.  A tourist visa for Russia is only available for 30 days.  So you see right away those two timeframes do NOT work.  You can beg and plead with the manager of the Zags (Russian marriage department) to get an earlier date or perhaps you can pay extra, but it is not guaranteed.  As well the city I was married in is 450km from Moscow where the Canadian embassy is as well as some Russian government departments that you would need to access to legalize your papers for use in Russia.  And of course you need similar papers to get married anywhere, especially when you are marrying in a different country.  Passport, marriage search saying you are not married, and perhaps divorce certificate if you were married before. 

Would it be possible to do what I did and prepare the paperwork in Canada to avoid much of that running around like I did?
I collected my papers here.
I sent them to Department of External Affairs for legalization which is free. 
External affairs forwards the documents and my payment to the Russian embassy for their half of the legalization.

Then when I went to visit the next time all we did was translate and notarize the documents there, and I signed the marriage application infront of a translator and notary so that later on my fiancee could apply without me being there.  A month before the wedding date she just applied with my already propared paperwork and witnessed application form. 

This let us plan our wedding and honeymoon and the date of the wedding easily.  I flew in 2 days before the wedding and 2 days after the wedding we were on our way to Morocco. 

We started in Casablanca and went to Marrkech and finally Agadir.  Wonderful time.

[med]

good job frolic and congratulations

[hoping75]

If I can make a small input.

I recommend you include as much evidence as possible with your application, don't wait to take it with you to the interview. I noticed many people plan on taking the evidence to the interview and send very little with the application. I really do believe the agent makes the decision from the application and the evidence contained with it ,far more than the interview. I believe their decision is mostly made before you ever go to the interview.

I don't believe there is any such thing as too much evidence.

The application process is becoming more and more difficult from all the refusals I have been seeing lately, so give them even more than they need.

This is just my personal opinion and view.

Good luck and God bless

[med]

god bless u Hoping 75 u really give me back some hope thanks so much

[frolic]

Well I am just trying to let people know another way they might do it in the future instead of the Rabat Runaround.  It could be an option to make the paperwork easier when you get there you have things in order and arranging the wedding is easier.  Including getting the photos and party and everything, nevermind that it helps in the eyes of the CIC, but also so you have a nice wedding you can enjoy.  

And yes, proof proof proof.  I could have sent them a 10 kilo package if I included everything.  Instead I included exerpts of emails and chats and phone bills from different months.   This made a nice stack about 1 inch thick.  Then I made sure to note that I had more than a years worth of each type of document.  

Also...take care with everything, I know it's paperwork, and annoying, and confusing, but think of it as your future life together and spend the time and effort and detail to get it as good as you can make it.  And yes...even spend more.  When sending all the documents from Russia to Canada I could have mailed it and hoped it got here, but instead I couriered it and paid a lot.  It's only a courier fee measured against our marriage which is priceless. 

Wish you luck Med and hope it goes well for you.

[med]

thanks frolic for all ur help i really appreciate that hope ur enjoying ur time there

[Lois Lane]

Med, although it's true that wedding pics are important they are not the only thing the IO looks at.  The fact that you have been chatting for 20 months is a huge plus as well as her visits there.  Also, that you are well employed along with the pics of family and friends will all be to your advantage.  I would be really surprised if you weren't accepted.

Keep us posted....my husband if from Meknes :)

[med]

oh louis thanks so much am really happy now i have hope

[hoping75]

god bless u Hoping 75 u really give me back some hope thanks so much

You are welcome
Just to let you know I sent a box with 5 kilos of evidence with the application.
Conversations, phone bills, pictures, letters about our relationship, evidence of trips,etc

Good luck

[boujasim]

med, i personaly am not convinced that sending tons of supporting documents would make any differnce, i dont think they actually read them all,it is essential to prove you and your wife are in contact,but sending loads of papers doesnt make any difference,there is no harm in sending alot of supporting documents but you really should only send the essentials, i know 2 couples who barely sent anything and stll managed to get the PR in 4 months,but this was in damascus(however iam trying to send new photos and proof of contact),btw my wife spoke with an immigration lawyer who told her that each visa office judge based on whats normal in the country your from, thats why the refusal rates in islamabad are very high and in damascus for example they are low.

you have nothing to worry about your are LEGALLY married,the IO might refuse your application(la samah allah) but you can appeal his decession and iam 100% sure you will be cleared to enter canada,this is your wife's basic right and aslong as your relation is true and you did not lie in the application,in the end you will be allowed to enter,but we always hope to get it in the fastest way..

wish you all the luck

[hoping75]

     A lot of supporting evidence is just my opinion. Of course it is each person's personal choice. I'm sure the Agents don't read everything, but it does show them that the contact did happen and you are giving them the evidence of that, not just your word for it.Your future with your spouse depends on this. Is it worth the chance not to send the evidence? If you don't provide the evidence, what do they have to judge your relationship by?

I must say I am blessed that my Husband is now here in Canada with me.

I really wish all the best to everyone facing this process.

[boujasim]

yea you are right,but what i ment is if someone doesnt have that much of supporting documents, its not really a big issue,if you have all the basics coverd and your marriage is solid.

anyways, iam really happy to know your husband is with you in canada, wish u both all the luck in building a bright future.

[med]

thanks so much boujasem for ur comment good luck brother in ur file too .

[hoping75]

I have posted my opinion about including as much evidence as possible because of all the hearts that have been broken recently.

I have seen on a few different forums all of the refusals that have been happening. I hate seeing this happen to people. The process is so difficult on it's own, the waiting is torture, but to get to the end and to be refused is too painful.

The refusals are always because they don't believe it is a genuine relationship, and much of that seems to be lack of evidence sent with the application. It's difficult to know how much evidence you are to send. This is not something that a person does many times, it's unknown to us all.

That's why I think if you give them an abundance of evidence of your relationship, you are inceasing your odds of approval greatly. It is much more difficult to say a relationship is not genuine if you have given them a great deal of proof that it is.

I just wish the best to all of those who just want to share their lives wih the ones they love. That is what life is all about

[med]

i completely agree with Hoping  . its really unfortunate that a bunch of people judge poeples lives and relationships and decide whether to make them happy or give them more torture than the one they have from long distance . we will provide them with ample evidence and all they want and we will see but really am ready to go with them to the end i will appeal them if they refuse and i ll make out of it a national issue i swear and send my case to the press i wont accept their refusal at all . they have no right to seperate a married couple no right at all .