QUEBEC APPLICANTS LETS SHARE EXPERIENCE

[mkshah]

hi quebecman,
thanks for your reply buddy..

I agree with you... that IO at interview will assess the french proficiency only according to the level declared in the application.
If it is more than your declared level, surely you will get higher points for language as well as it will help you in gaining more points for adaptability.

Thanks buddy.
+1  for you.

Dear MKShah, Vickey

I am totally agree with RAZA that it also depends on the level of french which you show in your interview along side your certification (A1, A2.........;.). I can give you the example of my friend, while filling the application form he had mentioned his french level as 5 and 6 on the language scale of 12. He has submitted A2 result and also some additional 2 months course certificate to show that his level is more than A2. When interview took place, the interviewer told him that his level is more than the level which he has mentioned in the form and gave him extra marks for that (. So for the candidates who have mentioned their level higher than the certification they have to show their skills during the interview.
I hope every thing will go fine for every one and we will get what we deserved;
take care,
Q boy

[mkshah]

Hi vicky,
Thanks for your comments and suggestions.
It helped a lot to understand my situation.

+1 to you

I would refer to my last post containing the Email which i received from BIQ HK regarding language competency rule applied to an applicant. First of all check that rule and points they allot and in accordance to that your points will be treated as per the AOR because when u received ur AOR your application will be treated as per that rule. furthermore, as u have submitted A1 and A2, in my oppinion they will count ur A2 certificate as it is the highest certificate in language u have attained and will use A2 for points allotment.

I hope it helps...

[Umer Shahzad]

Ok you will get it soon..! Insallah every one will receive a call for CSQ soon i am amazed at one thing there are countries which are taking high fees for immigration cases they are doing the verification with in 1 months e-g UK HSMP scheme the applicant is assessed in 1 month...! depending on the docs i wonder one thing how long Quebec or Canadian authorities take to process a complete file that people have to wait for years.. ! strange ini

[mkshah]

Hello folks..

I found this info regarding TEFaQ.. it is quite useful. but the guy who posted this info seems to be some french tutor who is here to promote/market his services.


The TEFaQ test has 2 components: Listening and Speaking.

In order to prepare for this exam, the FIRST STEP is to learn the French language in a proper and structured manner. This means learning Pronunciation, Vocabulary (on specific Themes), Grammar and eventually learning to string words together to make Sentences.

The SECOND STEP is to practice LISTENING. Here I advise you to listen to audio CDs with samples of TEFaQ questions. One good material is the TEF Test d'Evaluation du Francais: 250 Activites. Going through the transcript helps a lot, since there is a pattern about the way the questions are asked.

For the SPEAKING part of the exam, there are 2 sections.
Section A is about asking 10 questions to get information. So make sure you hone down the grammar topic on Interrogation (Asking Questions).
Section B is about convincing someone to do something. Here you need to be familiar with the techniques used for debates.
 

Link: http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/tefaq-how-to-prepare-t38927.0.html;msg1436341#msg1436341

[susanjo09]

Hi susanjo09,
congratulations to both of you for getting CSQ and also to your daughter who became reason for your success.

Pls can you share with us your basic details and points they given to you for each criteria below:

Age:31
Education: btech mechanical
AOT: didnt get any oints coz no direct experience
Work experience:10 years
French:we put beginner 3 in application ..no delf /
English:full points

Spouse's Age:27
Spouse's Educati
on:btech computer science
Spouse's AOT:got points
Spouse's French:beginner

Kids below 12 years:1
Study in Quebec:
Job in Quebec:
Family in Quebec:
Stay in Quebec:

Financial Self-sufficiency:1

How many points you were awarded by IO for ADAPTABILITY during the Interview and did he shared with you why he is giving you this many points for ADAPTABILITY out of total 6 points for ADAPTABILITY ?  i think we needed full 6 points .but he didnt say how much he gave for adaptability.he said he gave 3 for french.aout other points i m not sure.he mentioned we were just borderline.

Thanks in advance for your reply

 

[mkshah]

Hi susanjo09, if I calculate  points as per your details.
Age:31 16 pts
Education: btech mechanical 10 pts
AOT: didnt get any oints coz no direct experience 0 pts, pls can u share why u say that u have no direct experience
Work experience:10 years 8 pts
French:we put beginner 3 in application ..no delf /0 pts, have u not submitted result of any of french test???
English:full points 6 pts
Spouse's Age:27 3 pts
Spouse's Educati on:btech computer science 3 pts
Spouse's AOT:got points3 pts
Spouse's French:beginner 2 pts for A1/A2
Kids below 12 years:1 4 pts

Study in Quebec:
Job in Quebec:
Family in Quebec:
Stay in Quebec: Financial Self-sufficiency:1 1 pts
so points before interview = 56 as per above calculation

i think we needed full 6 points. but he didnt say how much he gave for adaptability.he said he gave 3 for french. I am considering 3 pts for ADAPTABILITYabout other points i m not sure.he mentioned we were just borderline.

ADDING POINTS FOR ADAPTABILITY, OVERALL POINTS COMES TO 59 OR 60 ONLY.WHICH IS LESSER THAN 63 FOR CSQ. SO I THINK, MAY BE YOU GOT POINTS FOR YOUR AOT, WHICH CAN BE 6 PTS.

[vickyRocks]

Hey Vicky I like this question as I have a chance to display more of my logic and maths skills .

Firstly, I want you to look at the GPI for 2011 on page 39 with me click here and download from the link http://www.bladi.net/forum/289887-guide-procedures-dimmigration-davril-2011-a/

In my calculation I am taking the highest band but the same concept applies throughout.  Now look at the table....Let's say someone claims 12 (level C2) on application.  Therefore the level of French they must display is 12/12*100 = 100%.  Similarly, follow my logic (simple percentages):

C1 ---> 10/12*100 = 83%
B2 --->  8/12*100 = 67%  (regarded as Francophonie)
B1 ---> 6/12*100 = 50%  (regarded as Intermediate)
A2 ---> 4/12*100 = 33%  (regarded as high beginner: waystage - bridge between beginner and intermediate)
A1 ---> 2/12*100 = 17%  (regarded as low beginner).

These are the percentages level of French one must have according to what they claim on their respective application forms.  So to conclude if you claimed A2 you must illustrate you have 33% of the knowledge of French in an interview.  The intensity of French you should know should correspond to this percentage classification - ie. High Beginner (knowledge of reflexif, possisif, passe compose, imparfait, L'accord du participe passe, futur tense etc.).

Cheers

Thanks Bajan..It was remarkably explained..+1 for you..

[vickyRocks]

you mean if a degree/diploma (suppose MBA) can be obtained in Pakistan after 16 years of education, but in Quebec it requires 17 years, in this case they wont award points for AOT?

Raza,
AOT and education are always treated separated in pint grid, as u have asked about MBA from Pakistan it will give u 10 points, because i also did from Pakistan university after completing 16 years of education followed by 2 years bachelors and 2 Year FSC degree.
Where as the domain of your study is business administration which will give u 6 points and for work expereince if you have any, will be as per the number of years u have worked in ur domain...

I hope it helps..

[vickyRocks]

To the point answer 4 u question !
I had delf a2 and interviewd at hong kong for csq. I claimed begnir intermediate points while i submited application for csq and at that point of time i just knew abc of french .. But later after 2 and half years of my application i got interview call and went to hong kong 4 it. Interview was in french from very begining and i did very well. Interviewr lady gave me 12 points against french..... So conclusion is practice french , make it perfect , you will be awarded points at judgement of interviewer ...  Be obidient and precise.

Bajan,Raza,Mkshah and other seniors..

One more interseting query i just noticed...DELF A2 applicant got 12/16 Points ain french..Is it possible...

[vickyRocks]

dear  Guys  BIQ has  sent  ma file back  due to not to  provide Diploma of DELF A1 and A2  while I have  sent original  Attestation du rslt that  I  have  rcvd  from  ALLIANCE france  with Embassy  stamp...  but  they have  given  me   reference  and am  awaiting  for Diploma copy from AF  once will get  it then will  resend my file ....

Dont send   file  without original Copy otherwise they will  return  file if  you are  claiming   point  for  French....

regards

AA

What going on with BIQ HK..these guys gone nuts..i guess

[mkshah]

hi vicky,
I also read this post

if you read carefully, this person has initially claimed A2 level in his applicatin, but within the period of 2 and half year till he gets interview call, he had developed his french skills to the level of B1 /B2 and the based on his french language skills exihibited during the interview, IO should have awarded 12 points.

Here the main thing to understand for pre 6th Dec 2011 applicants is that, during interview an applicant must atleast match his language skills with those declared in  his application. If he exhibits higher langauge proficiency then the declared level in application, surely higher points will be awarded as per the language proficiency assessed by IO duriing interview.
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Bajan,Raza,Mkshah and other seniors..

One more interseting query i just noticed...DELF A2 applicant got 12/16 Points ain french..Is it possible...
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[Umer Shahzad]

hi vicky,
I also read this post

if you read carefully, this person has initially claimed A2 level in his applicatin, but within the period of 2 and half year till he gets interview call, he had developed his french skills to the level of B1 /B2 and the based on his french language skills exihibited during the interview, IO should have awarded 12 points.

Here the main thing to understand for pre 6th Dec 2011 applicants is that, during interview an applicant must atleast match his language skills with those declared in  his application. If he exhibits higher langauge proficiency then the declared level in application, surely higher points will be awarded as per the language proficiency assessed by IO duriing interview.

well MK shah  the language points are not locked at the time of application they give u more points if u demonstrate good French during the interview

[mkshah]

yes umer, you are correct,
that is what I am pointing out...
for pre-6th dec 2011 applicants, language points are not locked at the time of sending application.
Dont know much about post-6th dec 2011, but as per the foramt for updating changes in status, there is an option to update them with language proficiency also, so i think post-6th dec 2011 can also update their application with higher language proficiency at later stage.

well MK shah  the language points are not locked at the time of application they give u more points if u demonstrate good French during the interview

[vickyRocks]

hi vicky,
I also read this post

if you read carefully, this person has initially claimed A2 level in his applicatin, but within the period of 2 and half year till he gets interview call, he had developed his french skills to the level of B1 /B2 and the based on his french language skills exihibited during the interview, IO should have awarded 12 points.

Here the main thing to understand for pre 6th Dec 2011 applicants is that, during interview an applicant must atleast match his language skills with those declared in  his application. If he exhibits higher langauge proficiency then the declared level in application, surely higher points will be awarded as per the language proficiency assessed by IO duriing interview.

Mkshah,
I draw conclusion from this post is that if u have any level decared in ur application and u reach to the interview stage, but at the point of adaptibility section u can get more score depending upon ur application and preparation in French/english....

[mkshah]

yes, thats pretty much correct and valid for CSQ interview for french and english proficiency.

thats why we encourage all forum members to learn and develop french skills as much as possible till the time of interview, because you may get higher points for langauge proficiency as well as good command over language can earn you more points for adaptability also


 

Mkshah,
I draw conclusion from this post is that if u have any level decared in ur application and u reach to the interview stage, but at the point of adaptibility section u can get more score depending upon ur application and preparation in French/english....