Hey Francaise,
This is incorrect information...Applications are scored/calculated by the rule or law that governed at the time the candidate applied for their CSQ. Thats why potential applicants are always urged to apply as soon as possible as rules may change at anytime. With this said only new applicants since this update will be awarded 2 points each for both listening and speaking
On the old application form before it wasn't mandatory to submit test scores, you will remember candidates indicated on a range from 1 to 12 their level of French and/or English if you wanted to claim French and English points. Also, as you know it was not mandatory for candidates to submit language scores from the official testing institutions (simple proof like invoices or class results for French/English would suffice). Of course candidates can always submit at a later stage test scores from an approved body even 2011 and earlier applicants (eg 2010, 2009...). However, and this is a BIG however what you indicated on your application and the proof you submit later MUST MATCH or you could jeopardize your chances. For example (using French but the same goes for English) if you applied in 2011 and you indicated on your application you knowledge for listening and speaking is 7 and 6 respectively this corresponds to level B2; In fact, at level 7 you are regarded as Francophonie. But if at a later date you submit B1 as proof as the level of French you know you harm your chances as your information does not match - on the old form B1 corresponds to level 5 out of 12 {intermediate not Francophonie}. You could be penalised as overstating you knowledge of French....Consistency is key my friend
Please look at the following cases :
Forum member "Quebec2011"
he had applied on October 2010, that time, 16/25 was not mentioned in guide, but his french points were assessed according to new rule.
I have DELF b1 my friend and there is nothing like french improvement, they haven't considered some of the points that is the reason for my rejection.
Age 16/16
Qualification 6/12 bachelor of business management
Area of training 0/16
Experience 4/8 I have more than 3 years of experience
french 7/16 I have Delf b1----- he has delf b1, according to old rule he should have been awarded 8 points, but he got 7 points according to new rule, coz he got less than 16 points in listening
English 6/6
Wife's age 3/3
Wife's Qualification 0/3
wife's area of training 0
French 2/6
financial self sufficiency 1/1
Good luck everyone
Forum member "walkingmarvel"
he had applied on October 2010, that time, 16/25 was not mentioned in guide, look at his interview story.
My wife main applicant. I am the dependant.
As we entered the interview cabin, we greeted the officer in French. In response we received nothing (No nod, no word). So we quietly moved forward and grabbed the chairs.
The officer introduced himself in French and started the interview. Asked us few basic questions in French like what were our names, where do we live and how did we arrive for the interview. I guess this 10 mins was the most French that we communicated.
It was basic French, yet the altar of interview made us a bit nervous.
Requested our passports, to verify the name and stuff.
Then he followed according to the CSQ application form. Now the conversation was in English. As per the points that we claimed, he started requesting originals of Education & Employment.
Following questions were based on it, like:
What is your degree equivalent to in Quebec?
What were the subjects that you had?
Responsibilities and duties at current work?
Current job is classified under what list in the skilled market of Canada?
Any name of the companies in Quebec, providing the same employment as current?
He also requested to look at any latest letters to prove the current employment status, pay slips and bank statements to prove it.
After this next set of questions were on the language skills. I remember that during our application there wasn't any need of IELTS. Also we had an experience of being in UK and working there for nearly 7 years; that was our argument but from his facial expressions I could figure out that he did not allocate those points.
We had our DELF A1/A2 for both of us.
Until now, I was under impression that passing a DELF was quite enough to get u respective points of the levels. However, he brought to our attention that we did not have enough marks to score points in the Oral section. I guess the marks reflect 14 & he said it should be above 16 (I am not exactly sure abt the figures). So even that was a moral breaking ground.
Ultimately he came upon asking us some information about Quebec. The questions were:
Names of three cities in Quebec.
Brief explanation about Quebec.
I have to say that considering the objections, I thought the outcome would be negative. Also as he raised issues like proving our level of English, showing pessimistic expressions on my pay slips as they were black & white online print outs, it all added up to demoralise us till the end.
Also at one stage, I remember the interviewer clearly telling us that: He has travelled to Delhi from HongKong to check out original papers. We have to impress them with information and papers, that's what they expect from us. If we want CSQ, we need to provide them with robust documents.
But at last when he calculated the points and added the remark that oh, we have got a daughter and we are able to score the points because of that. We were quite at ease then.
Interview lasted nearly one and half hour. Mostly it was in English and all the questions were surrounded in the region of questions I have stated above.
If a question was addressed to the main applicant, I was restricted in giving any explanation until the question was meant for me.
My wife is pregnant again. We did inform it to them via email when the interview was confirmed. But he did not utter a single word on it. After getting the CSQ even we did not gather enough guts to inquire abt it.
Once the CSQ was issued, interviewer's expressions completely changed and looked very cheerful.
his french points were assessed according to new rule.
That's why, i have stated in my previous post that it might be applicable for old as well as new and it's just my assumption.
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