Possible consequences for obtaining citizenship on false documents

[SFD]

Canadianc1,

It's a very difficult situation. A lesson for you and a warning for all us. Forged documents it's not a good idea.

As Ario suggest, talking to your employers is an option, I would  considered but it isn't easy....

Be strong, and don't let him blackmail you...

May God guide you in this process...

SFD

[canadianc1]

Hi All,

I approached him and said go ahead and do whatever you can as no one is going to believe you even though you show them your verified proof.
He became angry and told me he doesn't want any money (instead I was thinking of), rather he would set me as an example by following my case to the top level possible.
He told me his lawyer would be asking in court if anybody previously used forged document to enter Canada and once he becomes a Canadian Citizen then how come CIC law becomes inapplicable? if it does happen and one can retain his citizenship, then let the world know that Canada is a safe heaven for forged documenters due to my case.

It put me more pressure than prevously.

Any suggestion?

[SFD]

Hi All,

I approached him and said go ahead and do whatever you can as no one is going to believe you even though you show them your verified proof.
He became angry and told me he doesn't want any money (instead I was thinking of), rather he would set me as an example by following my case to the top level possible.
He told me his lawyer would be asking in court if anybody previously used forged document to enter Canada and once he becomes a Canadian Citizen then how come CIC law becomes inapplicable? if it does happen and one can retain his citizenship, then let the world know that Canada is a safe heaven for forged documenters due to my case.

It put me more pressure than prevously.

Any suggestion?

I think your Attorney ought to more than that. I mean, he should know how canadian law works so ask yourself what is the reason you have hired him then?
Stop putting preassure on yourself. You´ve already enough with this guy.

Anyway, hope things don´t get wild...

SFD

[robfis]

I don't think he has an attorney who works on this, in my opinion he's not doing anything, just scaring you. Lawyers don't do this kind of action. If somebody wants to tip the immigation service, they have to do it themselves. Lawyers do other things. Immigration services receive tips every day and I'm conviced they have lots of tips related to forged education. Have you heard of anybody who was deported for that?
Probably not. It's a tough call for immigration.
Try to find your peace, you'll be fine.
Robert

[asdf111]

Hi All,

I approached him and said go ahead and do whatever you can as no one is going to believe you even though you show them your verified proof.
He became angry and told me he doesn't want any money (instead I was thinking of), rather he would set me as an example by following my case to the top level possible.
He told me his lawyer would be asking in court if anybody previously used forged document to enter Canada and once he becomes a Canadian Citizen then how come CIC law becomes inapplicable? if it does happen and one can retain his citizenship, then let the world know that Canada is a safe heaven for forged documenters due to my case.

It put me more pressure than prevously.

Any suggestion?

buddy he is trying to pressurise you to get more money. he is very clever. just don't listen to that busted and take my advise tell him to do watever he can

[canpuneet]

Humans make mistake and I don't think anyone of us has the right to judge you or your circumstances...

Coming back to your case, since your kids are born in Canada, it is almost impossible that they will decide to deport you. refer to this case that happened in UK and keep in mind this man had criminal record. His case was different, did not use forged documents... but in the end he wasn't deported because of his family ties in UK... 

www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/.../asylum-ruling-fury-rights-cameron

All the best and hope you're more careful in future... God bless..

[canpuneet]

Not sure why the url has suddenly stopped working... here's the article and you can also google it..

It was apparently a "sickening day for justice" and David Cameron was furious. An Iraqi Kurd whose initial claim for asylum in the UK had been turned down was allowed to stay because immigration judges in Manchester ruled that, as he had a British wife and two children, it would not be right to deport him and destroy that family. But 33-year-old Aso Mohammed Ibrahim is not the average asylum case: he had been convicted of a string of motoring offences, including failing to stop after an accident in which his car hit and killed a 12-year-old girl.

Amy Houston was hit by Ibrahim's car in November 2003. She died six hours later in hospital after her family had to take the decision to turn off her life support systems. Ibrahim, who was not charged with causing the accident, had already been banned from driving and was convicted of fleeing the scene and driving while disqualified. But although he served a four-month prison sentence, there were no moves by the authorities at the time to have him removed from the UK. (He had arrived here in the back of a lorry in 2001, on the run from Saddam Hussein's atrocities against the Kurds.)

During last week's hearing it was revealed by the immigration judge that if there had been such a move it is likely Ibrahim would now be back in Iraq. But no such steps were taken, allowing him the time to settle here, marry and father a boy and a girl of his own, as well as becoming stepfather to two more children.

Thursday's judgment by the immigration tribunal became the focus of an immediate furore over the human rights act. The prime minister raged against it, stating, "We have an Iraqi asylum seeker who has killed a child and there is no way he can be sent back." Cameron continued that he "very much hoped the UK Border Agency would be able to appeal against the decision", and he was angry that "this was allowed to happen". He was also embarrassed by having made not only a pre-election pledge to scrap the act, but had also written personally and at some length to Amy Houston's grieving father, Paul. The Tory leader has been a frequent critic of the act, which was introduced by Labour in 1998 to bring European standards of human rights into domestic law so that they could be applied without the expense of constantly going to the Strasbourg Court of Human Rights for decisions.

In January, he wrote to Mr Houston, 41, expressing sympathy over Amy's death and tying the case to Conservative policy to abolish the act. But since coming to power in May, he has had to quietly shelve those plans on the advice of legal experts, including the attorney general, Dominic Grieve. Many experts point out that no judge can be prevented from taking the circumstances of any individual into account. "It's unlikely that any judge, when a criminal has been convicted of a crime and served that punishment, is going to be open to coming in with a second punishment of deportation," one lawyer told the Observer.

Amy's father, who wrote to the tribunal asking for Ibrahim to be deported, called Thursday's decision a perversity and said it showed the human rights act favoured criminals' rights over those of their victims. But the act does allow for judges to make up their own minds. The much-maligned Article 8 does allow someone to be deported if they pose a risk to society, although the consequences of removal on the family of the offender is taken into account.

In this case they took into account the fact that Ibrahim had been jailed and, while the Home Office had argued that Ibrahim brought his misfortunes upon himself – which is undoubtedly true – it is not only Ibrahim's rights which have to be considered, but also those of the children.

[khebra]

Just trust god and nothing will be happened.....i think now one can open the case again and this may cause problem to CHC officer....

[can1citizen]

Practically speaking, it is getting harder to keep citizenship status if obtained on any fraud basis.

Here's what Canadian Govt. is doing:
Feds plan to revoke fraudulent citizenship

canada.com/Feds+plan+revoke+fraudulent+citizenship/5127302/story.html

It says:

After a lengthy investigation by police and the department of Citizenship and Immigration, letters have been issued to hundreds of Canadians telling them the federal government intends to revoke their citizenship.
Individuals can challenge the decision in Federal Court but if they don't, cabinet will move to void their passports and strip them of their citizenship.

So, if you actually obtained Canadian Citizenship using your forged educational documents and if that's reported to CIC with the evidence that you mentioned, it will be really hard for you to stay in this country regardless you have kids born here since they can live either in foster houses or you can take them with you.

You can try to hide yourself to avoid any bad consequences.

[PMM]

Hi

Dear canadianc1,

Honesty is the best policy !

The retention time of an immigration file at CIC is 10 years only in normal circumstances.

Good Luck & please be honest in your life.

Nectar

You may wish to read http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/op/op01-eng.pdf  page 48.   The retention period for IMM 008s is 65 years.