pilot jobs in canada

[sherrysherry]

hi i am from pakistan and presently serving as a pilot in the air force my wife is a teacher and has an experience of 2 years.can anyone tell me if there are any jobs for pilots in canada and is there a possibiltyof getting the process of PR done early by applying for any province's SW category instead of federal and i want to apply as dependent of my wife who has 73 points.what chance does she have? plz answer my questions i would appreciate ....thanks

[sherrysherry]

hey people i am desperatley looking for answers. would it be compulsory for me to give proof of funds with the application. what if i give calgary alberta as the place where i land?wud it matter in case i intend settling down in toronto finally. thanks waiting for answers

[Libra]

hey people i am desperatley looking for answers. would it be compulsory for me to give proof of funds with the application. what if i give calgary alberta as the place where i land?wud it matter in case i intend settling down in toronto finally. thanks waiting for answers

I assume that you will be applying under the Simplified Application Process, and if that is the case, you do not need to show proof of funds when you are sending in the application.  Browse sub-links through http://cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/apply-how-simple.asp

If you are applying under the Federal Skilled Worker Program, you can land in any province, even if you stated a different province on your application.  You will not have this luxury of landing in any province if you apply under PNP (Provincial Nominee Program).

[sherrysherry]

thanks libra,i appreciate your reply.you assumed right i would be applying through the simplified process . you mentioned about PNP in your reply does that mean i cant apply through PNP unless i have a job offer from an employer from that province?what is the process of applying through PNP and what are the restrictions if we Land in a province through PNP. and kindly can you plz tell me what are major reasons for refusing someone an immigration visa by CHC people.

[Libra]

thanks libra,i appreciate your reply.you assumed right i would be applying through the simplified process . you mentioned about PNP in your reply does that mean i cant apply through PNP unless i have a job offer from an employer from that province?what is the process of applying through PNP and what are the restrictions if we Land in a province through PNP. and kindly can you plz tell me what are major reasons for refusing someone an immigration visa by CHC people.

With regard to the PNP, a province would have to nominate you first, and then you would have to fulfill the other CIC requirements like passing the medical exam and criminal/police background check.

The selecting criteria for an applicant vary from one province to the other; so, you would have to visit the PNP website of each province to find out what they are looking for in their PNP nominees/applicants.

You can access each Province's PNP information through the sub-links found on the CIC PNP link: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/provincial/apply-who.asp

PNP Restrictions: An applicant may have to sign an agreement with CIC with regard to their Provincial nomination to include the obligation to do the job within the Province that his/her nomination was based on. 

For most provinces, the PNP nomination might be employer-based (check each province from the link above) - this means that an employer will have to apply on behalf of the applicant.

PNP obligation: You will have all the rights entitled to a Permanent Resident (PR) including normal PR obligations; however, a PNP resident has a special residency obligation to the Province that nominated them. 

So far, the usual trend has been that an applicant stays in the province and works at the designated job for a period of 3 years, after which, the applicant will be eligible to apply for citizenship.

So, in most cases, you might be able to move to another province after 3 years and passing the citizen test and sworn in as a citizen or, after the agreed-upon obligation fulfillment with CIC, whichever comes first.

*** Remember that a PNP applicant's agreement with CIC supercedes everything else - including how long to remain in the Province. ***  And, you might not even need to take the citizenship test.

Major reasons for refusal include the following:
Having a criminal record to include drunk driving
Not meeting the passmark of 67 if applying under the Skilled Worker Program
Having a medical condition that will be a burden to the Canadian health system - Since I am not an immigration expert, I do not know what medical conditions would bar an applicant - sorry.  If you have no major health concerns, you should be fine.  They are aware that applicants will have the usual high blood or low blood pressure - these would not bar you.  I have heard of applicants with curable Tuberculosis being successful.

[sherrysherry]

thanks a lot libra....i really appreciate your help..plz dont feel annoyed but i need to ask few more questions. i hope you would be patient this time as well..is it true that if i apply with my wife as  principal applicant and she is not doing any job at the time of verification of our case or interview we would be disqualified? and since naturally i cant keep the requisite funds (in my case 15563 can$) for so long in the account what do you suggest when should i accumulate all my funds to get a good financial statement.i mean how much before the interview or verification and does the proof of funds mean only the cash or assets like gold, bonds, car and land property also included , which can be sold before moving to canada. thanks a lot

[thaiguy]

You (or your wife) do not have to be working.  You will get points for a maximum of four years out of the past ten in which you (or your wife) had verifiable work experience that qualifies under an NOC category.  Whether you're working now or not doesn't matter at all.

You will need to show that you have the required funds when you apply, later when they finalize your application, and then finally when you arrive in Canada.  Whether you have the required money in the bank between times doesn't actually matter.  But each time they ask for it, you should be able to prove you have the required funds.  You can not use gold, cars, or real estate as proof of funds because they aren't funds.  You could use bonds if the value can easily be determined (i.e., if they're publicly traded).  Generally, it's best to show a letter from your bank attesting to your cash balance or an original bank statement.

[sherrysherry]

hi libra,
            thanks a lot ...it was indeed great help.i have just one confusion.you mean that when they ask me to submitt my documents in four or whatever months and then i arrange the funds during those 4 months and present them with the statement..would it effect my chances or not i mean what iof the statement shows that the funds were arranged just a few months ago ..would they doubt it ..i mean i cant keep all this money in the account for too long. thanks appreciate your prompt replies may God bless you

[Libra]

hi libra,
            thanks a lot ...it was indeed great help.i have just one confusion.you mean that when they ask me to submitt my documents in four or whatever months and then i arrange the funds during those 4 months and present them with the statement..would it effect my chances or not i mean what iof the statement shows that the funds were arranged just a few months ago ..would they doubt it ..i mean i cant keep all this money in the account for too long. thanks appreciate your prompt replies may God bless you

Sherrysherry,

That should have been "hi Thaiguy, thanks a lot ..." in your last post, but he would understand.  Thanks Thaiguy;-)

What Thaiguy wrote is correct. 

CIC's Right to Request POF at anytime:  You can choose to submit proof of funds (POF) to CIC when they request for your documents within 4 months or more from your AOR date.  BUT bear in mind that they will definitely request for your proof of funds later on; usually, they request it towards the end of the process when they require your medical exam and criminal /police background check.  And it has been known that they can request for proof of funds more than 2 times during the process; but in some cases, they've only requested for proof of funds just once (at the end of the process), whether or not you submitted it earlier on.

Final Stage(s) of the Process: Medical exam and criminal /police background check are usually requested within the final year or 9 month lap towards the end of the process.

So, even if you send in your POF with your other initial documents, be prepared that they will request for it again just once - towards the end of the process; - or even twice - that is in the interim, and towards the end of the process; or as many times as they wish because they do have the discretion to do so.

POF and your chances: Yes, submitting your POF with your other documents affects your chances positively, gives an added weight to your application, and will probably expedite it just a little bit, but expediting is never a guarantee though.

How to?  Unfortunately, I cannot tell you how best to manoever your funds in your account, you will be the judge of that.

Even if you put funds into your account a few months ago, it is your account, you can do that.  And, like Thaiguy said, this is where you need your bank to back you up.  You can always choose to have your bank write a letter on your behalf describing your account activities including how long you've maintained the account(s).  Your account activities usually will include such things as your "average daily balance."  You need to talk with your bank on this; banks do this sort of thing all the time. 

What others have done: Some applicants submitted a letter from their banks plus their last 3 monthly bank statements.  Some applicants have only submitted just their last 3 monthly bank statements.  Other applicants have submitted a combination of at least their last 3 bank statements, plus the acceptable financial instruments that Thaiguy mentioned.  To add to Thaiguy's list of what is not acceptable will be company shares.

Don't forget also that after your application is successful and you receive your PR visa in your passport, when coming to Canada, you will be required to show proof of funds once again at the port of entry.  Some landed immigrants at a port of entry have even shown ATM receipts with their account balance reflecting the required settlement funds.  But don't worry about that now, when you get to that point, you'll cross it.

[sherrysherry]

hi all,
           Thaiguy plz accept my sincere apologies...and thanks libra for pointing out . i would not have noticed my fault if u had not pointed out.i must say that i have learnt a lot more about the entire PR process from you guys than from any other source.i really appreciate your help and patience. now libra can you plz tell me that while applying for FSW if we mention Calgary alberta or any other place i mean other than toronto would it expedite our processing to any extent.i have heard that if we mention a remote location or a western province as the intended place of our residence it expedites the process and additionaly my relatives live in toronto, so would it matter if i write anyother place. awaiting your response...thanks a lot

[thaiguy]

I think sherrysherry's dissed me.  She thanks me and then asks again for Libra's advice!  Haha

... over to you, Libra.

[Libra]

hi all,
           Thaiguy plz accept my sincere apologies...and thanks libra for pointing out . i would not have noticed my fault if u had not pointed out.i must say that i have learnt a lot more about the entire PR process from you guys than from any other source.i really appreciate your help and patience. now libra can you plz tell me that while applying for FSW if we mention Calgary alberta or any other place i mean other than toronto would it expedite our processing to any extent.i have heard that if we mention a remote location or a western province as the intended place of our residence it expedites the process and additionaly my relatives live in toronto, so would it matter if i write anyother place. awaiting your response...thanks a lot

Hi Sherrysherry,

The FSW program, unlike the PNP, allows you to land in any province, even if the province that you choose to land in is different from the province you initially stated in your application.

Now, about this idea that your FSW application will be expedited if you state that you intend to land in Calgary, Alberta or even in Saskatchewan; I am not sure whether that has really been the case.  At the same time, I am not going to say that I doubt it either because I didn't try it that way - I just stated Toronto, which is a metropolis on the Eastern shore, and I might not even land there.

I would think that a PNP application for Calgary, Alberta or Saskatchewan might probably receive some kind of priority processing compared to other provinces since each province can make a petition to the Federal government for that.

On another note, when it comes to the immigration process, what you hear from others might sometimes have a ring of truth because it is based on our experiences plus what the law says also backed by the country's changing policies.

What I will say is this: you have nothing to loose under the FSW, if you state a province and end up not landing in it.

[Libra]

I think sherrysherry's dissed me.  She thanks me and then asks again for Libra's advice!  Haha

... over to you, Libra.

Hi Thaiguy,

You know the mic is yours anytime . . .  :-)

Thanks buddy!

[sherrysherry]

hey Thaiguy dont take it to your heart.it was just that libra had been answering my querries , thats why i asked him plz dont mind and yes this time i have a reason to correct you sir ;) sherrysherry isnt a SHE i am a HE.lolz..neways thanks a lot guys you have answered most of my querries very nicely only my very very first question remains unanswered.i.e anybody living in Canada could tell me are there any pilot jobs in canada. and yes thaiguy or libra what should be my course of action if i intend to utilise PNP of any province. thanks

[Libra]

. . . only my very very first question remains unanswered.i.e anybody living in Canada could tell me are there any pilot jobs in canada. and yes thaiguy or libra what should be my course of action if i intend to utilise PNP of any province. thanks

Only two provinces show a “FAIR” job potential for Pilots.  Now, you should also know that “FAIR” is less than “Good;” however, it is better than “Limited.”

The 2 Provinces are Nova Scotia and Newfoundland and Labrador.

Here are the Statistical Data from HRSDC

Occupation:  Air Pilots, Flight Engineers and Flying Instructors
NOC code: 2271

Area:  Halifax and surrounding areas - Nova Scotia
Employment Potential: FAIR

Employment Trends for Halifax and surrounding areas:

Currently the chances of qualified Air Pilots, Flight Engineers and Flying Instructors finding employment are considered to be fair in the local area. Air Canada Jazz consolidated their flight crews at major centres in 2005, which resulted in a undetermined number of pilots and flight attendants from Halifax, having to commute or be transferred. Overall, Jazz is looking to increase the number of flight attendants by 25 percent, but it is unknown what if any effect that will have on Halifax. CanJet Airlines shut down its scheduled passenger service to concentrate on its charter business, which resulted in 450 initial lay-offs, however about 175 pilots and flight attendants were hired back to fly charters .

Slowdowns in the oil and gas industry have impacted the demand for helicopter pilots. Those entering the labour force with little work experience will have difficulty finding employment in the Halifax metro area. The ability to perform under stress, excellent coordination, agility, and physical and mental health are important skills.

While there is a fair level of employment opportunity in the local area, this is not the case in the rest of the province where opportunities are more limited. People who are able to work elsewhere may want to research opportunities for this occupation in other labour markets within Nova Scotia and across the country. The future employment outlook for Air Pilots, Flight Engineers and Flying Instructors in Nova Scotia is expected to be fair over the next 5 years. The outlook nationally is also fair.

The following areas in Nova Scotia has “LIMITED” potential:

Annapolis Valley
Antigonish / Pictou / Guvsborough
Cape Breton Network
Colchester / Cumberland
South Shore
Southwest Nova Scotia

Expires: April 2008
Date published: 2007-07-05


Area:  Newfoundland and Labrador (for the Entire Provincial area)
Employment Potential: FAIR

Employment Trends for Newfoundland and Labrador:

LABOUR MARKET CONDITIONS

Air Pilots, Flight Engineers and Flying Instructors make up a small occupational group in Newfoundland and Labrador. At the time of the Census, May 2001, 180 persons were employed as Air Pilots, Flight Engineers and Flying Instructors in the Province, an increase of 16% from 1996. Over the same period, employment in all occupations increased by 2%.

Compared to other occupations, Air Pilots, Flight Engineers and Flying Instructors are somewhat younger than average. While the majority of those employed in this occupation work in the Eastern region, a significant number also work in Labrador. Air Pilots, Flight Engineers and Flying Instructors are employed by the Air Transport industry (69%), by Health (11%), and by Government (8%).

The unemployment rate for this occupation in 2001 was very low compared to the rate of 19% for all occupations in general. Quarterly reporting, December 2002 to September 2003, indicates that the number of persons collecting Employment Insurance benefits ranged from a high of 36 in March to a low of 13 in September.

GRADUATE FOLLOW-UP STATISTICS

In 2000, 45 people graduated from one year commercial pilot programs. When contacted by the Department of Education for graduate follow-up, 51% of these people responded to the survey.

One year following graduation, 91% of the graduates who responded found some type of work compared to 81% for all one-year, entry-level programs. Approximately 46% of respondents had found full-time work in a job related to their program of study. The success rate for finding related full-time work was on par with the results (47%) for all one-year, entry-level programs.

Also in 2000, 15 individuals graduated from a three-year professional pilot program. When contacted by the Department of Education for graduate follow-up, 53% of these people responded to the survey.

One year following graduation, 97% of the graduates who responded found some type of work compared to 95% for all three year, entry-level programs. Approximately 52% of respondents had found full-time work in a job related to their program of study. The success rate for
finding related full-time work was lower than the results (79%) for all three-year, entry-level programs.

These statistics include results from respondents residing in Newfoundland and Labrador as well as outside the province.

The graduate follow-up statistics reported here vary slightly from those reported by the Department of Education in their CareerSearch 2002 publication which reports on the reference week June 24-30, 2001. For more information see the CareerSearch website at https://os.edu.gov.nf.ca/csp/pkgmain.start_css.

EMPLOYMENT POTENTIAL

The provincial outlook for this occupation over the next 5 years is considered to be FAIR.

Opportunities for employment will be better for those who have built up flight time and obtained various endorsements. Work in this field is very experience oriented. New entrants to this occupation may encounter difficulty logging the necessary flying hours required by many employers. For fixed wing pilots, new entrants will often obtain their Instructor Rating and work as instructors as a means of building necessary flight time for further career advancement. However, due to regulatory flight time requirements, this option is not available to new graduates with rotary wing commercial licenses thus making it more difficult to build flight time. Employability requirements vary depending on the employer and the aircraft. Relocation may be required to progress in ones career.

Mobility is especially important for helicopter pilots as they are often required to work in many different locations depending on the employer's contracts for services.

Newfoundland presents some unique small aircraft and helicopter opportunity related to the outfitting and natural resource sectors. In addition, there may be added opportunity as regional carriers continue to fill air transportation gaps in the province.

As a service occupation, employment is highly affected by industry activity, government spending and other economic changes.

Date published: 2005-03-01


Area:  Winnipeg - Manitoba
Employment Potential: LIMITED

Employment Trends for Winnipeg, Manitoba:

Employment prospects for air pilots, flight engineers and flying instructors are limited in 2006-2007. There is keen competition for entry level positions. As pilot applications can exceed the number of job vacancies, some airlines are asking candidates to have qualifications beyond the basic requirements. Additional qualifications can include a university degree or college diploma, aviation college diploma, military or commercial flight experience, jet and/or glass cockpit experience or an additional language.

Computerized flight management systems on new aircraft may affect the demand for flight engineers. Flight instructors must maintain a flight instructor rating. Instructors start their careers teaching ground school and flight instruction to private or recreational pilots.

When the economy is strong, increased business travel, tourism, and trade results in more flights and more pilots being employed. However, airlines are vulnerable to fluctuations in the economy and can lay off pilots to reduce costs. Advances in technology and the desire by airlines to remain competitive will limit the opportunities for new pilots. The majority of new openings will be with lower paying regional carriers. Restructuring and increased competition in the air industry continues to affect the demand for pilots.

Date published: 2006-07-05


Area:  NB Southeast (Moncton) - Province of New Brunswick
Employment Potential: LIMITED

Employment Trends for Southeast (Moncton):

SUMMARY:
This is a small labour force in the area, with limited employment prospects and limited activity in the area. There are few employers in the area and no major airlines are based in this area. Recruitment for any available positions is probably done via other mechanisms.

Last updated : 2004
Date published: 2006-03-03


Area:  Saskatchewan / Areas below show limited potential
Employment Potential: LIMITED

The following areas in Saskatchewan show limited job potential for NOC 2271 /Pilots

Estevan Area
La Ronge Area
Moose Jaw Area
Saskatoon Area
Swift Current Area
Weyburn Area
Yorkton Area

Dates Published: Range from 2003 – 2005

[sherrysherry]

well sounds discouraging but i am ready to change my field of expertise.hey libra would it be possible for me to pursue studies right after landing in canada as a PR.would the Govt help me in this regard and what are the ranges of daily wages for smal part time jobs like receptionist and so on.and can my wife get a job as a school teacher?..thanks

[Libra]

well sounds discouraging but i am ready to change my field of expertise.hey libra would it be possible for me to pursue studies right after landing in canada as a PR.would the Govt help me in this regard and what are the ranges of daily wages for smal part time jobs like receptionist and so on.and can my wife get a job as a school teacher?..thanks

Of course, as long as you have received your SIN (Social Insurance Number), which you can apply for, in person and receive the same day; as well as your PR card, which a landed immigrant usually receives within 30 days.

Yes, the govt. will help with financial aid.  The school that accepts you will walk you through the process.

So far, from what I've heard, you can get part-time jobs for a pay range of $8 to $10 /$11 per hour.

Yes, your wife can get a job as a schoolteacher after she has fulfilled all of the teacher licensure requirements for the particular province.  Each province has its own requirements.  Your wife will get further information on all of this by browsing through the different provincial Ministries of Education websites from the following link: http://www.edu.gov.on.ca/eng/relsites/oth_prov.html

You can also learn more about PR entitlements including do's and don'ts by browsing through the sub-links from this CIC web link: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/newcomers/about-pr.asp

[sherrysherry]

thanks libra,
                   it is indeed great help from your side. i would appreciate a lot if you tell me or confirm that i have haerd there are chances that the Canadian govt is thinking of increasing minimum points criteria for PR is that true and one more thing i have heard tht certain provinces in canada offer PNP without a formal job offer from a canadian employer...is that true..thanks a lot.Godbless you

[Libra]

thanks libra,
                   it is indeed great help from your side. i would appreciate a lot if you tell me or confirm that i have haerd there are chances that the Canadian govt is thinking of increasing minimum points criteria for PR is that true and one more thing i have heard tht certain provinces in canada offer PNP without a formal job offer from a canadian employer...is that true..thanks a lot.Godbless you

PNP Without Employer's Job Offer

I believe all of the PNPs have a requirement for an Employer's job offer backed by Labor Market Information from HRSDC.  However, bear in mind that each province has its own set of requirements for this particular program. 

You can access each province's PNP program through this link: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/provincial/apply-who.asp

So far, the only Province that I am aware of that has other provincial nominee streams other than the usual employer stream for PNP is Manitoba, which has other streams like Family Support, Community Support, and General Stream.  Here is a link to their different streams as outlined in Tables 1 & 2: http://www.gov.mb.ca/labour/immigrate/pnp/eligible.html

For the General Stream, one of the criteria is: Two Affidavits of support from either friends or distant relatives in Manitoba. 

If you have questions about any of their PNP streams, you will get the most accurate answers from them by sending an email to: immigratemanitoba@gov.mb.ca

A lot of potential immigrants have been asking questions especially about their Community Support Stream, and what it entails.  Feel free to send them an email if you are interested in the Community Support stream. 

If you send them an email, I am pretty sure you will get a response.  Don't forget to give your email an accurate subject heading like Provincial Nomination Program - Community Support, or a subject title that appropriately matches your questions.

SKILLED WORKER PASS MARK

Well, the Skilled Workers' pass mark used to be 75, and then it was dropped to 67 a couple of years ago. 

There is always the possibility that they might increase it to conform with any new immigration policies such as, maybe to streamline the process - who knows?  Anyway, lawyers always caution procrastinating applicants of this possibility - that the pass mark could be increased especially, if the current government or the majority in the Canadian parliament wishes it so.  By the way, I used to be a procrastinating applicant.

Don't forget that immigration policies are highly politicised; it could take any shape or form - there's always the possibility that any of these could happen:

1.  Increase the pass mark for Skilled Workers
2.  Discontinue a couple of the current immigration programs
3.  Or, even close their borders to immigration or severely restrict it, like the U.S. did some years back.

Mind you, I am not saying that these would happen as I am not a member of the Canadian Parliament, nor am I a Canadian Policy Maker; I am an immigrant myself - I am only giving my own personal worse case scenarios.

Other than that, I have not heard anything definite with regard to an increased pass mark - but the likelihood of it is always there.

[Libra]

I want to bring to your attention that I updated the last post; re: The General Stream for Manitoba.

[sherrysherry]

thanks a lot libra ..i have read your reply today...is it true that there isa job saturation in Canada?...are there oppurtunities still there ..i have heard that toronto is saturated but western provinces have the oppurtunities