NER - Misunderstanding

[vernani]

I've received this week a NER due to:

"Although this NOC code corresponds to the occupations specified in the Instructions identified by the Minister, you have not provided sufficient evidence, from your employers, that you performed the actions described in the lead statement for the occupation or that you performed a substantial number of the main duties of the occupation as set out in the occupational description of the NOC, including all of the essential duties."

I recognized the duties were not fully described, however, for someone who worked in my NOC it was more than enough to recognized my the duties that I performed. So I took the advice of Wayne (get2Canada blog) and sent a fax, but I haven't received an answer since Monday, have any of you had the same problem?

[loolo]

I am sorry to hear about your NER, what were the documents/letters that you included as evidence that you performed the duties expected?
Since you have responded by sending them a fax, I will encourage you to be optimistic.

Loolo

[devilhimselff]

Same question. What did you send with the Application for claiming Work Experience.

Even if you dont get a response, prepare New docs and just be ready to volley the Package back to them, so that you can make it within time.

[Cappuccino]

I've received this week a NER due to:

"Although this NOC code corresponds to the occupations specified in the Instructions identified by the Minister, you have not provided sufficient evidence, from your employers, that you performed the actions described in the lead statement for the occupation or that you performed a substantial number of the main duties of the occupation as set out in the occupational description of the NOC, including all of the essential duties."

I recognized the duties were not fully described, however, for someone who worked in my NOC it was more than enough to recognized my the duties that I performed. So I took the advice of Wayne (get2Canada blog) and sent a fax, but I haven't received an answer since Monday, have any of you had the same problem?

I am Wayne (get2canada) and the advice on my blog was written by CanadaJimmy.

The bottom line is - did you provide sufficent evidence at the time to satisfy CIC that you performed a minimum of 1 year's work in your NOC, satisfying at least the lead statement and half of the duties? If not, then any evidence you present after the fact doesn't really mean anything.

So when you say "I recognise the duties were not fully described", what exactly do you mean?

I ask for this level of exactness because it is VERY important as to whether your application should pass or fail the initial eligibility review.

Best wishes,
Wayne.

[vernani]

Thank you for your replies.  @ Wayne, I'm sorry about the misunderstanding.

The evidence was a statement from my employer stating them what I've been doing since I started working there 5 years ago. The differences between the occupational description and my employer's declaration were like this:

occupational description:

• Consult with clients to determine type, style and purpose of renovations or new building construction being considered
  

employer's statement:

• Vernani is an associate architect...
• Vernani assumed a relevant participation on all the flat renewal projects realized, on XXX project (all phases) and in different international competitions and awards as the honorable mention
• Vernani keep excellent and professional relationship within colleagues, external engineers, clients and contractors.

My employer wrote me a new reference letter, not a full description of my main duties... I recognized that and I asked my boss a new statement which describes every duty that I've performed and I sent it with the fax.

My concerns now are:

• Taking into account the fax is only to report address changes, do you think they will answer even it is only to tell me that I shouldn't use that number?
• In the same fax, I asked them to return my application if they didn't consider my new employer's statement. Do you think they will send me back? This would save me time and money...

Thank you for your time.

[vernani]

Hi all,

I got the answer from CIC today. My new employer's statement was considered new information and because of that they refused to reconsider my application. I hope this will be an example to whom is about to send the application: be explicit as far as you can be and try to follow all the advice you can get from this forum.


Good luck to everyone, I'm gathering all the paperwork to send it again.

Thank you for your help.

[haral]

your first ref letter did'nt have any job descriptions. it only mentiones your titile and some achievements you have accomplished.....in the next attempt make sure u get a proper job description letter.......give me ur email and i will send u a sample..

Hi all,

I got the answer from CIC today. My new employer's statement was considered new information and because of that they refused to reconsider my application. I hope this will be an example to whom is about to send the application: be explicit as far as you can be and try to follow all the advice you can get from this forum.


Good luck to everyone, I'm gathering all the paperwork to send it again.

Thank you for your help.

[sho78]

Thank you for your replies.   @  Wayne, I'm sorry about the misunderstanding.

The evidence was a statement from my employer stating them what I've been doing since I started working there 5 years ago. The differences between the occupational description and my employer's declaration were like this:

occupational description:

• Consult with clients to determine type, style and purpose of renovations or new building construction being considered
  

employer's statement:

• Vernani is an associate architect...
• Vernani assumed a relevant participation on all the flat renewal projects realized, on XXX project (all phases) and in different international competitions and awards as the honorable mention
• Vernani keep excellent and professional relationship within colleagues, external engineers, clients and contractors.

My employer wrote me a new reference letter, not a full description of my main duties... I recognized that and I asked my boss a new statement which describes every duty that I've performed and I sent it with the fax.

My concerns now are:

• Taking into account the fax is only to report address changes, do you think they will answer even it is only to tell me that I shouldn't use that number?
• In the same fax, I asked them to return my application if they didn't consider my new employer's statement. Do you think they will send me back? This would save me time and money...

Thank you for your time.

what do you mean by new employer and how long you you have been working with your new employer.....

[vernani]

sho78,it wasn't a new employer but yes a new employer's statement.

haral, I have only copied some parts of my employer's declaration, those that correspond to the partial occupational description I have also written in my previous post.

The point here is: I should have asked a full description of my duties that would match with the occupational description duties instead of a regular reference letter.

[kan2008]

Did you get the refusal from the CIO (Nova Scotia)?

sho78,it wasn't a new employer but yes a new employer's statement.

haral, I have only copied some parts of my employer's declaration, those that correspond to the partial occupational description I have also written in my previous post.

The point here is: I should have asked a full description of my duties that would match with the occupational description duties instead of a regular reference letter.

[Cappuccino]

sho78,it wasn't a new employer but yes a new employer's statement.

haral, I have only copied some parts of my employer's declaration, those that correspond to the partial occupational description I have also written in my previous post.

The point here is: I should have asked a full description of my duties that would match with the occupational description duties instead of a regular reference letter.

Hi,

As I suspected - they make a decision based on the evidence available at the time they make the decision - I don't think they will consider additional documents you send after that decision was made.

Which NOC is this for? 2151 Architects? If so, then time is on your side I think. Last year only 900 or so total were received for the whole year, so one would expect the 500 cap to take 7 months or so to fill up.

But please note - do not get a work experience letter which exactly matches the occupational description duties listed in the NOC. CIC will see right through this and probably fail the application.

Instead, just get a full description of your ACTUAL duties. CIC will match those descriptions against the NOC duties, and should recognise if the duties are the same or similar.

Don't try to force a copy of the NOC duties!

Best of luck,
Wayne.

[vernani]

Thanks Wayne