Married an Egyptian - Need help

[Nessy]

Hey Everyone,

I got married and i want to move back to Canada, is it better/less time consuming if i go to Canada and apply for spousal sponsorship from there? I cant stay in Canada for more than 6months, is it possible that i leave Canada after applying if the proccess isnt done and my husband gets his pr in 6 months. What if i want to visit him while the application is in progress, is that possible?.

I'd like to hear if anyone faced any problems while applying or getting the results so, i don't repeat the same mistakes.

Thanks

[EgyptianEagle]

Hey nessy congratulation ( mabrouk)  yes it better be go back to canada and apply for spousal sponsership so it takes awhile (38 days in canada ) and takes from 5-8 months here in canadaian embassy in egypt to be done so after cic in canada reply on you u can come and visit him too easy gooo luck :D

[Nessy]

Thanks alot.

Do u have any experiences u can talk about concerning the process?

[mnassar]

just read the guides on cic very well & follow the instructions.

GOOD LUCK!!

[Nessy]

I havent been to Canada since 2004, will that cause a problem for me??
someone please help.

[fairouzm]

Hello Nessy,

My husband is from Cairo as well. First did you see the papers and what they require. It is a lot  of work and alot of hastle. It took us months to get papers from Cairo.

So here is what you will need

Egyptian Marriage certificate.. you can get this from the sigil madni.. if you have one already go to the justice ministry in lazoougly or sa'd zaghlool street and don't let anybody to mislead u coz they did that with us. Transilate it and then authurize it with the transilation from the foriegn affairs embassy.

qaaid aeli, which is a family compisition record. in order to get that, you will need the egyptian marriage certificate. So again don't let anybody misleaad you as it doesn't show nathionality so it is stright forward and u can get it in a day but ours took a month and a half because of the lady who works there. You have to transilate this one from a place they will tell u at the sigial madni and then take it back to them to stamp it then then you have to take it to the foreign affairs to authunticate it.


Birth certificate of ur husband has to be transilated at the health ministry in sa'd zaglool as well and then authonticate at teh foreign affairs ministry.

As for his identification card. It has to say that he is married before you can get qaid aeli or anything so make sure his raqam qawmi card has that. and then get it transilated... we are still trying to find how to do that...

police certificate doesn't have to be transilated it.. just submit them like that.

submit lots of proof... of living together.. anything u think is useless may not be to them...


You have to proof that you would settle with your husband in Canada once he gets his PR. So you can get a letter from a  university saying that you are accepted. if you have atteneded university before... all you have to do is to get a reactivation and get a  letter from them to  say that you are elliagable to study and admited. this will be enough. Or a job offer,

also, it is better to explain in ur letter that you are able to support him ie that you are well off and you will not need to get social assistance from them. so ifyou have educational proof, if you had jobs in canada before, things like that. if u have savings.... , etc...

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[fairouzm]

It is still the same time for ur husband wheather u are in Egypt or Canada.

[fairouzm]

I think Egyptian Eagle  understand the process wrong.

There is two parts for the application. First the application has to go to CIC in Canada, then they will forward it to Cairo. But the whole processes will take from 6-8 months in tottal. You will get initial approval. If you are a Canadian citizen, then u can sponsor him while living in Egypt just proof that you will be to Canada when he gets his PR.

I live in Cairo iwth my husband and got approved to sponsor him. I provided an acceptance from university. If you need any help nessy, write ur hotmail here and  i will be glad to help u. with any questions

Fairouz

[mnassar]

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qaaid aeli, which is a family compisition record. in order to get that, you will need the egyptian marriage certificate. So again don't let anybody misleaad you as it doesn't show nathionality so it is stright forward and u can get it in a day but ours took a month and a half because of the lady who works there. You have to transilate this one from a place they will tell u at the sigial madni and then take it back to them to stamp it then then you have to take it to the foreign affairs to authunticate it.



As for his identification card. It has to say that he is married before you can get qaid aeli or anything so make sure his raqam qawmi card has that. and then get it transilated... we are still trying to find how to do that...




also, it is better to explain in ur letter that you are able to support him ie that you are well off and you will not need to get social assistance from them. so ifyou have educational proof, if you had jobs in canada before, things like that. if u have savings.... , etc...

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Dear fairouzm,

Would u plz explain the above mentioned issues more?
I sent my docs to canada to days ago & i did translate all the docs that need to be translated but i dont understand the "qaaid aeli & ID" parts..!!!
wat do u mean by that?!!!
& do i need to provide a bank account or something?

Appretiate yr help

[fairouzm]

Hey,

So you need to proof u are married in Egypt  other than the marriage certificate.You need something called qaid aeli which lists ur name and wife's name and that u are married and ur kids if u have any. If u read the forms it is called kashf al ahl but in Egypt they call it qaid aeli.. from el segil el madni... i advice u to get it asap or they will request it. Also your raqam qawmi card needs to be changed to say that you are married. So far we haven't transilated both. we will do that today. I will let u know how to do them. They didn't return my application although those were missing but called the embassy here and they said they need all of that.

Well, sometimes they think that u are married to go to Canada. So if you show them that u have a good job, good savings, not for u only. For your wife too. To proof that u didn't marry for coniveince. Ie they may suspect that ur wife got money from u in order to go to Canada. so if you proof that she is well off, well educated, then this rules out that option. It is not required. I just learned to be extra careful from past experiences of my friends and my sister whose application was refused because they suspected that she got married so she can bring him into Canada.  I sent my unviersity marks to proof that I am smart and doing well, i submited employment pay stubs and history, letters from my friends, professors, etc. It is better to do that now than if you have to appeal the refusal.  It took three years for him to come to Canada! january 2004 to june 2007

Fairouz

Fairouz

[mnassar]

thanks for yr fast reply :)

but it's written in the guide that :
"If you are in a common-law or conjugal relationship, provide proof of that relationship
You must provide a Family Composition Certificate (“Kashf El Ahl”) issued by the Civil Register
(“Sigil El Madani”) where applicable."

So wat i understood is this is only applicable incase common-law or conjugal relationship !!
So wat do u think?!!!

& concerning the proof of marriage , I ve a good job here in egypt AL 7amdolellah and i sent them My Employment letter, my wife also mentioned her jobs & that she was graduated from AUC.
also she got accepted at mcmaster uniisity in hamilton & we sent that letter too.
So IS that enough?

Thank U :)

[fairouzm]

Egyptians don't recognize common-law! I asked the embassy here and they said I need it. The place it is put in is confusing but it is a different sentence. It is only missing a period at the end as it starts with a new line and also a capital letter. Where applicable if you are married in Egypt, if you are not married then, you can't get one in teh first place.  This is where the confusion comes from. Egyptians don't recognize common law so you will not have anybody under you qaid aeli if you have this type of relationship. However, if you also check the specific cairo instructions for sponsiring members of family class, they request that in a sperate line and you have to include it under a separate checklist. FAMILY COMPOSITION CERTIFICATE
Family composition certificate (“Kashf El Ahl”) issued by the Civil Register (“Sigil El Madani”).
 

it is better to do it now than later. :)

Fairouz

[mnassar]

Ahaaaa,
I got it now, i really appretiate yr help, thank u:)

So ALL i need to do now is to go to sigil el madani to change my ID status from single to married & to get el Qaeid AL 3a2eely righ?

but hay do u ve any idea how & where we gonna translate those things?

& wat abt the proof of marriage part that i asked u in my last post?

Thank u again & sorry for bothering u :)

[fairouzm]

ok,

Yes, if your raqam qawmi doesn't say that u are married, your wife will not be able to get anything in the future either for her or for her kids. You have to put her on that. And you will not get qaid aeli unless you change it first. It takes about 3 days fast service to change it 75 LE for the service.

We got the papers transilated from a place called happy land they said they are certified by the Canadian embassy. We are also going to take them again to the sigil madni to stamp them on Saturday and then take them to the foreign affaris ministry to legalize them.

[fairouzm]

the proof... i will write it later in detail as I am busy right now.

[mnassar]

thank u thank u thank uuuuu very much fairouzm
& waiting for yr post ISA

GOOD LUCK!!

[fairouzm]

here is some of what i had submited in my application.  It may looks like alot...but.. it is better than getting refused...

communication
printout of screen if you chat via video cam. Yahoo will show the date on the camera screen. YOu can use the print screen on the keyboard to do that and then save it in paint or any photo editing program by doing pasting it.

Emails.. gmail is amazing for that purpose.. saves sent messages and logs chats as well... This has helped me alot as to proof how we met as I was telling my friends all about it so sent emails helped alot. 

If you are using prepaid cards for mobile phone, then send a few and explain that you used cards and you don't have bills.


phone cards history.

I used a website called thephonecardstore.ca u can only use it if you are in Canada so your spouse can use it to call you. Cheaper than phones.

It is amazing and they track ur orders.

phone bills, cellphone or inland.

Electronic greeting cards.


photos

Intimate photos and smiling... one time a person got refused coz he wasn't smiling on photos. looooooool silly reason but it happened.
photos with family and friends.
Wedding photos
engagment photos
Trip photos

Honeymoon,
Hotel receipts
photos,
room car


Tickets or boarding pass
Entry exist stamps from passports.


Any annoucments in the newspaper.

Letters from two official people that know you or your spouse and know that you are married. It is better if they are Canadian. Someone like a boss would be better. This is better come from your spouse. She can ask them nicely to write something to proof that ur relationship is geniuin.

Letters from family and friends to support that you are married. I had tons of letters on mine.

envelops addressed for both you and your spouse showing the same address but your name on one and hers on one.

Wedding shopping
Any receipts she got when she was preparing for wedding. Clothes, tiara, wedding dress, etc, anything and everything, wedding ring receipts...

Wedding itself, wedding hall receipts.. cake order receipts.. 

Gifts receipts from both of you if you don't have receipts, then take photos of the gifts and send them...

Greeting cards from friends and family.

letters of employment from both of u,

bank statments if you have savings...

Proof that you pay rent and things like that...

university grades even if they don't request them... Especially if they are good grades.... it proofs you worked hard.

I sent in my pregnancy positive test along with ultra sound.

my evidance was 2kg and I paid 1000 le to send it via DHL.

[mnassar]

wooooooooooooow

unbeleivableeeee!!!

I dont ve most of wat u mentioned here!!!

[Egypt007]

HOLY CRAP!!!!! thats alot.... you don't really need all that... but in your case, if you got all that stuff, why not..... Looks like your not the "throw away" type...

Good luck...

[fairouzm]

You have to learn from other's people's mistakes. So I decided to keep a file and thought about evidance through all my engagment period. :) So I kept them organized!

They refuse for simple stuff sometimes, they ask why are you guys sitting apart in a  photo. So you have to have some kind of intimate photos. Hugging, holding hands, etc. Smile in your photos and show that you are happy. :)

[mnassar]

do u think they might ask me abt more evidance in the future??

[fairouzm]

Well,

They will work on what they have. Sometimes they request more in the interview. What did u submit? Once u get your file Id from Cairo! Try to submit more. Meanwhile, they will work with what they got. But qaid aeli, i think they will want that. so do it now and wait till your file transferes to cairo and then submit it there.

[fairouzm]

yah you have to wait for AOR to submit them. Because you need to write teh file number and your id on the envelope.

 If I find something new, I will let you know. They are so tired of me at the embassy. I call alot.. :)
soon it will be a month and I haven't recieved my AOR. However, I am hoping in the next few weeks I will. I am leaving cairo to Canada soon so I need to submit them asap.

Fairouz

[Nessy]

So, pictures arent enough?? That was all i was planning to send, i dont have alot of things. What about bank statements, or credit card reciepts or would those be too personal.  I also met my husband while i was a student in University, and we have alot of common friends, does that information help at all. A few of my professors even attended my wedding, actually i had 350 people attend my wedding and 200 attend my engagement, i still have the reciepts, but they are in arabic, even my wedding invitation were in arabic, Can arabic documents be sent???

[Egypt007]

You should send everything you have to prove your relationship is genuine... they give you all that proof back anyways when he's approved so don't worry about giving originals....

Look send all the Arabic originals you got and attach them with English translations.. (you can translated)...

good luck