made huge error on application for pr renewal application

[applicationerror]

Hello Lyon,
made an huge error on p.r. renewal application,i applied in rush as my p.r. was expiring and miscalculated the days, at the time of application i was 727 days.
can i withdraw the application? pls. pls. pls. suggest something
thanks

[applicationerror]

can i contact them ,explain the error,& start afresh?,feel like crying

[Alabaman]

what is the error??

[applicationerror]

my p.r. expired on 4th Aug, i didnot know that
departed canada      arrived back    days absent
5-oct-2006               15 jun 06        253
26-jun-2006             03 -aug -07    38
26 nov -2007            24-dec-07       29
29 feb-08                 4-jun-08         96
4 jul-08                    25-aug-08       52
1-oct-08                  15-dec-08       75
1-feb-09                  04-may-09      92
14-jun-09                28-aug-09       75
27-sep-09               22-jan-10        117
11-apr-10               28-jun-10         78
20-aug-10              17-jan-11        150
6-mar-11                18-Apr-11         43
                      total absence     1098 days or presence in canada is 727 days
tried to calculate using passport stamps & made the mistake in calculating days,they have asked for copy of passport & while rechecking stamps i realise now that makes me short by 3 days, feel like kicking my self for this goof up. i have wife & son here on P.r. & they have already applied for citizenship, son goes to private school, wife is house wife

[applicationerror]

additional info
first arrived canada on                   left on
4th Aug 06                                   05-oc02006

[Alabaman]

So what did you fill in your application?? Less than 1094 days? What date did you apply for renewal? If you applied on August 04 your days of physical presence in Canada should look like this: which is more than 730

Arrived   Departed   Days in Canada
04-Aug-06   05-Oct-06   63
15-Jun-06   26-Jun-06   11
03-Aug-07   26-Nov-07   115
24-Dec-07   29-Feb-08   68
04-Jun-08   04-Jul-08   30
25-Aug-08   01-Oct-08   37
15-Dec-08   01-Feb-09   49
04-May-09   14-Jun-09   41
28-Aug-09   27-Sep-09   30
22-Jan-10   11-Apr-10   80
28-Jun-10   20-Aug-10   53
17-Jan-11   06-Mar-11   48
18-Apr-11   04-Aug-11   109
TOTAL DAYS       734

[applicationerror]

Hello Albaman,
Thanks so much for your prompt response,i just now checked the cic website and this how they calculate the absence:

 When I try to calculate my absences, I get different numbers than the residence calculator. How does the residence calculator determine the number of days for each absence?

A4: The calculator uses the following rules to determine the number of days absent for each absence declared:

    When calculating an absence, either the day you leave Canada or the day you return is considered an absence, but not both. For example, an absence between July 1, 2003 and July 15, 2003 equals 14 days of absence.
    If you leave Canada and come back the same day, you do not have to declare an absence.
    An absence on February 29 (leap day) is not counted as an absence, nor is it credited as a presence.
    Total residence days ending in .5 are rounded up in your favour.
    

So what did you fill in your application?? Less than 1094 days? What date did you apply for renewal? If you applied on August 04 your days of physical presence in Canada should look like this: which is more than 730

Arrived   Departed   Days in Canada
04-Aug-06   05-Oct-06   63
15-Jun-06   26-Jun-06   11
03-Aug-07   26-Nov-07   115
24-Dec-07   29-Feb-08   68
04-Jun-08   04-Jul-08   30
25-Aug-08   01-Oct-08   37
15-Dec-08   01-Feb-09   49
04-May-09   14-Jun-09   41
28-Aug-09   27-Sep-09   30
22-Jan-10   11-Apr-10   80
28-Jun-10   20-Aug-10   53
17-Jan-11   06-Mar-11   48
18-Apr-11   04-Aug-11   109
TOTAL DAYS       734

[Alabaman]

What you described above is for Citizenship residency obligation. Days are counted differently for Citizenship than from PR obligation.

For the PR residency requirements, any part of a day spent in Canada is a day spent in Canada so any of your travel days where you spent a few hours in Canada counts as a full day in Canada. For example, if you leave Canada on July 1, 2003 and return on July 15, 2003 this will equal 13 days of absence.

For Citizenship obligation, when calculating an absence, either the day you leave Canada or the day you return is considered an absence, but not both. For example, if you leave Canada on July 1, 2003 and return on July 15, 2003 this will equal 14 days of absence.

[applicationerror]

canada does not stamp the departure dates in the passport, so can the arrival date at a foreign country  be counted as the departure date,as most of the eastern countries are atleast 12 hours ahead + transit time
for example if i left on 1st,my arrival stamp will be 3rd most of the times. what should be mentioned as departing date from canada?

my apologies Alabaman if i am bothering you too much

[Leon]

canada does not stamp the departure dates in the passport, so can the arrival date at a foreign country  be counted as the departure date,as most of the eastern countries are atleast 12 hours ahead + transit time
for example if i left on 1st,my arrival stamp will be 3rd most of the times. what should be mentioned as departing date from canada?

my apologies Alabaman if i am bothering you too much

You don't need to stretch your time like that.  Alabaman already recalculated this for you for your stays and here I do it again for your absences only:


5. Oct. 2006   15. Jun. 2007   252
26. Jun. 2007   3. Aug. 2007   37
26. Nov. 2007   24. Dec. 2007   27
29. Feb. 2008   4. Jun. 2008   95
4. Jul. 2008   25. Aug. 2008   51
1. Oct. 2008   15. Dec. 2008   74
1. Feb. 2009   4. May. 2009   91
14. Jun. 2009   28. Aug. 2009   74
27. Sep. 2009   22. Jan. 2010   116
11. Apr. 2010   28. Jun. 2010   77
20. Aug. 2010   17. Jan. 2011   149
6. Mar. 2011   18. Apr. 2011   42
                                      1085

So you see, you only have 1085 days outside Canada.  Your calculation error is counting one of your travel days with your absence according to the citizenship requirements but the PR requirements are different, for them, any day or part of a day spent in Canada counts as a full day in Canada.  Because of that, both your departure date and your arrival date count as days within Canada.

For example, your last absence from the 6th of March until 18th of April: 6th of March is in Canada, then you have the remainder of March, 25 days outside Canada, then you have the first 17 days of April outside Canada and April 18th as staying in Canada again so total you have 25+17 days = 42 days outside.

[Alabaman]

This is assuming you filed your application for renewal on August 4, 2011. Was that the date you filed?

[applicationerror]

application filed on 3rd august

[Alabaman]

application filed on 3rd august

That means you had 733 days of physical presence (which is more than the required 730 days). Relax my friend and stop bothering your self.

[applicationerror]

thanks so much Albaman,
but what about the error that i made in the application, i mentioned 20 aug instead of 28th, can i simply write letter (along with the copy of passport, they have asked for it),& explain things, or should I hire a Lawyer?

[Alabaman]

thanks so much Albaman,
but what about the error that i made in the application, i mentioned 20 aug instead of 28th, can i simply write letter (along with the copy of passport, they have asked for it),& explain things, or should I hire a Lawyer?

but on the PR renewal form, you are not required to fill in days. It only ask for month and year.

As long as you filled that you were absent from Canada for less than 1094 days then you shouldn't worry. Just give them whatever they ask for. I don't think you need a lawyer for this. Do you plan to travel out of Canada soon?