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bravosix
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Posts: 115
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Category........: CEC
NOC Code......: 6211
App. Filed.......: May 2012

« on: December 18, 2011, 11:40:06 pm »

Hi everyone,

I was looking at the denied applications on trackitt and found one that got my attention.

"Application Denied Low income as compared to NOC code"

So I looked my position on this website:

http://www.workingincanada.gc.ca/content_pieces-eng.do?cid=1

And found that my salary is between the low and the average range

Position is Assistant Manager (Retail, drugstore)

Hourly rate goes is shown as follows:

Low is $11
Average is $18.25
High is $25.59

My rate is $14.42

Does that means that if I apply with that rate, my application will be refused on the basis of "Low income compared to NOC code".

I've been in the position for 7 months only so getting a raise is not very likely.

Any thoughts?

Thanks in advance
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justtheme
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Posts: 163
Ratings: +2
Category........: FSW2
Visa Office......: Buffalo
Job Offer........: Yes
Pre-Assessed..: Yes
App. Filed.......: 14-12-2010
AOR Received.: 03-09-2011
IELTS Request: Done
File Transfer...: 03-09-2011
Med's Request: Soon
Med's Done....: Soon
Interview........: Soon
Passport Req..: Soon
VISA ISSUED...: Soon
LANDED..........: Already in Canada

« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2011, 12:29:09 am »

Hi everyone,

I was looking at the denied applications on trackitt and found one that got my attention.

"Application Denied Low income as compared to NOC code"

So I looked my position on this website:

http://www.workingincanada.gc.ca/content_pieces-eng.do?cid=1

And found that my salary is between the low and the average range

Position is Assistant Manager (Retail, drugstore)

Hourly rate goes is shown as follows:

Low is $11
Average is $18.25
High is $25.59

My rate is $14.42

Does that means that if I apply with that rate, my application will be refused on the basis of "Low income compared to NOC code".

I've been in the position for 7 months only so getting a raise is not very likely.

Any thoughts?

Thanks in advance

One of the reasons for my LMO denial was low wage. The average was $23 (low $12) and my salary was $16.

My company will now have to readvertise and resubmit the application.
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bravosix
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Posts: 115
Ratings: +0
Category........: CEC
NOC Code......: 6211
App. Filed.......: May 2012

« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2011, 12:34:12 am »

One of the reasons for my LMO denial was low wage. The average was $23 (low $12) and my salary was $16.

My company will now have to readvertise and resubmit the application.

What is FSW2?

That's bad news, I thought I was on the right track and had everything I needed until I found this Sad
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justtheme
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Posts: 163
Ratings: +2
Category........: FSW2
Visa Office......: Buffalo
Job Offer........: Yes
Pre-Assessed..: Yes
App. Filed.......: 14-12-2010
AOR Received.: 03-09-2011
IELTS Request: Done
File Transfer...: 03-09-2011
Med's Request: Soon
Med's Done....: Soon
Interview........: Soon
Passport Req..: Soon
VISA ISSUED...: Soon
LANDED..........: Already in Canada

« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2011, 09:00:59 am »

What is FSW2?

That's bad news, I thought I was on the right track and had everything I needed until I found this Sad

FSW2 = Federal Skilled Worker Category 2
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jes_ON
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Posts: 2495
Ratings: +55
Category........: CEC
Visa Office......: New York
App. Filed.......: 06-May-2010
AOR Received.: 13-Aug-2010
File Transfer...: 01-Mar-2011
Passport Req..: 30-Jun-2011
VISA ISSUED...: 12-Jul-2011 (received 25-Jul-2011)
LANDED..........: 03-Sep-2011

« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2011, 05:50:07 pm »

I was looking at the denied applications on trackitt and found one that got my attention.

"Application Denied Low income as compared to NOC code"

Most people on Trackitt agree that that post was not legitimate.  Members had been debating whether or not salary was a factor in CEC decisions, one person staged that post in the middle of the argument. 

To summarize the debate -

- Salary is not one of the factors that CIC uses to determine eligibility for CEC.

- However, salary may be an indicator that someone is "fudging" their skilled work experience if it is far too low for the occupation (e.g. claiming to be an engineer but making 15,000 per year; claiming to be a manager but making minimum wage).  This might cause greater scrutiny of your application materials and/or create doubt about your job duties.  Not enough by itself to refuse an application, tho.

- And, it is true that salary is an important factor that HRSDC uses in issuing a Labour Market Opinion (LMO).  About a year ago, to reduce exploitation of foreign workers by employers, and to prevent the displacement of Canadian workers by foreign workers who accept a lower wage, HRSDC began requiring for LMOs that salaries for temporary foreign workers meet or exceed the average wage for an occupation. 

Unless you're faking something, you don't need to worry about it.

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phathalo
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Posts: 48
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Category........: CEC
Visa Office......: CPP - Ottawa
App. Filed.......: 28-07-2011
AOR Received.: 23-09-2011
Med's Request: 17-10-2011
Med's Done....: 28-10-2011
Passport Req..: 01-12-2011
VISA ISSUED...: 03-01-2012

« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2011, 07:23:30 pm »

I applied for both a LMO/WP (received) and CEC (passport sent) under NOC 1122 and I was making $8 less than average salary. I do not know whether they consider other variables: My current employer gave some strong (and passionate) references (and calls).

                            Low    Average    High
Toronto Region    15.73    28.30    46.28

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jes_ON
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Posts: 2495
Ratings: +55
Category........: CEC
Visa Office......: New York
App. Filed.......: 06-May-2010
AOR Received.: 13-Aug-2010
File Transfer...: 01-Mar-2011
Passport Req..: 30-Jun-2011
VISA ISSUED...: 12-Jul-2011 (received 25-Jul-2011)
LANDED..........: 03-Sep-2011

« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2011, 07:47:27 pm »

I applied for both a LMO/WP (received) and CEC (passport sent) under NOC 1122 and I was making $8 less than average salary. I do not know whether they consider other variables: My current employer gave some strong (and passionate) references (and calls).

                            Low    Average    High
Toronto Region    15.73    28.30    46.28

You have nothing to worry about - at least based on salary Smiley
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phathalo
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Posts: 48
Ratings: +0
Category........: CEC
Visa Office......: CPP - Ottawa
App. Filed.......: 28-07-2011
AOR Received.: 23-09-2011
Med's Request: 17-10-2011
Med's Done....: 28-10-2011
Passport Req..: 01-12-2011
VISA ISSUED...: 03-01-2012

« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2011, 08:33:18 pm »

You have nothing to worry about - at least based on salary Smiley


Yes, Jes I know Smiley I'm just sharing my experience that although my wage was under than the NOC average, I didn't have any problems. Thanks
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bravosix
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Posts: 115
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Category........: CEC
NOC Code......: 6211
App. Filed.......: May 2012

« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2011, 01:53:35 am »

Thanks to all for your information!

I talked with a CIC customer representative today, he couldn't give me a price answer when I asked him about it. He said I should contact the Visa Office that I will be applying to and ask them so I sent an email to Buffalo earlier today. Once I get a reply all share with all of you.

Good luck to everyone and congratulations to the ones that already got it!
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umairz
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Posts: 301
Ratings: +1
Category........: CEC
Visa Office......: CPP-OTTAWA
Job Offer........: Yes
App. Filed.......: 22-07-2011
AOR Received.: 19-10-2011
File Transfer...: 19-10-2011
Med's Request: 19-10-2011
Med's Done....: 27-10-2011
Passport Req..: 02-12-2011
VISA ISSUED...: 21-12-2011
LANDED..........: 07-01-2012

« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2011, 01:03:12 pm »

Thanks to all for your information!

I talked with a CIC customer representative today, he couldn't give me a price answer when I asked him about it. He said I should contact the Visa Office that I will be applying to and ask them so I sent an email to Buffalo earlier today. Once I get a reply all share with all of you.

Good luck to everyone and congratulations to the ones that already got it!

It's interesting, call centre agents can't answer most of the questions. Actually I think it's furstrating.
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justtheme
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Posts: 163
Ratings: +2
Category........: FSW2
Visa Office......: Buffalo
Job Offer........: Yes
Pre-Assessed..: Yes
App. Filed.......: 14-12-2010
AOR Received.: 03-09-2011
IELTS Request: Done
File Transfer...: 03-09-2011
Med's Request: Soon
Med's Done....: Soon
Interview........: Soon
Passport Req..: Soon
VISA ISSUED...: Soon
LANDED..........: Already in Canada

« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2011, 01:10:57 pm »

It's interesting, call centre agents can't answer most of the questions. Actually I think it's furstrating.

Well, I actually contacted Buffalo for a different case (after being referred to them by CIC), and this was their reply:

Quote
We regret that we are unable to provide individual counselling nor can we provide assistance in completing your application form.
 
You should follow the instructions in the application kit. If you are unable to supply any of the documents or information requested, please enclose a detailed letter of explanation when you submit your application.

Looks like nobody knows, or they just don't have the knowledge or resources to answer specific questions.
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bravosix
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Posts: 115
Ratings: +0
Category........: CEC
NOC Code......: 6211
App. Filed.......: May 2012

« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2011, 02:12:29 pm »

Buffalo replied today and they say they do not offer pre-assesment services or provide assistance when completing the application form.

So I guess right now we can only rely on our previous experiences or even immigration lawyers.

Anyone hired a lawyer for the application? or even a consultation?


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jes_ON
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Posts: 2495
Ratings: +55
Category........: CEC
Visa Office......: New York
App. Filed.......: 06-May-2010
AOR Received.: 13-Aug-2010
File Transfer...: 01-Mar-2011
Passport Req..: 30-Jun-2011
VISA ISSUED...: 12-Jul-2011 (received 25-Jul-2011)
LANDED..........: 03-Sep-2011

« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2011, 02:35:45 pm »

Yes, Jes I know Smiley I'm just sharing my experience that although my wage was under than the NOC average, I didn't have any problems. Thanks

LOL, missed your info to the left.  Congrats & thanks for sharing -
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