July 01, 2011 FSW Applicants_MI 3

[Big O]

Furthermore based on the update OP6 - completeness check as per R10:

•required forms, including a signed and completed IMM 0008E GEN containing the name, birth
date, address, nationality, marital status and current immigration status of the applicant and
all family members (whether accompanying or not), and identifying the principal applicant,
properly completed Schedule 1's for the principal applicant, his or her spouse or common-law
partner and all dependent children aged 18 and older listed on the IMM 0008, as well as a
properly completed Schedule 3 for the principal applicant;
• the results of the principal applicant's English or French language test from a designated
testing agency (see section 12.6)
• evidence of payment of the applicable fees (please see Section 5.4 for more information on (note: it only asked for evidence of payment)
fees);
• the visa, permit or authorization being applied for;
• the class in which the application is made;
• the Use of a Representative form, if appropriate;
• a signed statement to the effect that the information provided is complete and accurate;
• any information and documents that may be required by the Act and Regulations.

the next step would be the assessment:

The CIO will assess the applicant's submission as-is and make a final determination of eligibility
under the MI issued on June 26, 2010. To be eligible for processing, the applicant must meet all
the criteria described in the MI. If the application is eligible for processing, the applicant will be
informed. Once processing has begun, the cost recovery fee is no longer refundable.

The statement in bold text are the one that I am most concerned of.... why will you charge a CC/BD even if it is complete but would not at least meet the minimum criteria and then file a refund request for the applicant?

Evidence to consider when making the final determination of eligibility for processing
Review the application and determine whether it meets all the criteria of the MI. For an application
to be considered for processing under these Instructions, the applicant, on the date of application,
must:
• have experience in the last ten years under one or more (see note below) of the National
Occupation Classification (NOC) codes specified in the MI, and the application does not
exceed the maximum of 20,000 new, complete applications per year with no more than 1,000
applications of this maximum in any one NOC category;
or
• have an Arranged Employment Offer (AEO) consistent with requirements of subsection
R82(2) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations (IRPR).

Next step: when the application is in process

Officers will review the application in detail, considering all the information and documentation
provided, and assess it against the following minimal requirements and selection criteria for
FSWs.

So? this means that even the eligibility review has a lot of stages/steps to follow that we can not say on when and at what specific portion of the entire process they charge your payments.  my logical hunch is at the preliminary review to avoid refund process, why? Imagine a BD, first was purchased using local currency converted to CAD. Refund would be in CAD. you can not simply encash the refund check as it is a crossed check and since it is in CAD you have to open a Dollar account for it. CC refund is also tedious depending on the financial institution. Based on my personal experience we have a system that process refund request for CC charged, first that charges may be considered as pending but the transaction already went thru, or it was already drawn into the account of the payee. the financial institution must request the auth code in order to process the refund. The hell with this financial institutions, I had customers who would even wait for months just to receive a credit back on their accounts, so I would have to call the financial institution, provide them all codes and everything and again wait for the next billing cycle.

This is the reality applicants would have to face that is why CIC have to be cautious in charging fee payments.

I quote the following:
Once processing has begun, the cost recovery fee is no longer refundable.
The para before this sentence refers to the completness check. I want to drag you attention to "no longer refundable" which implies that it has been encashed and can still be "refunded" prior to this point which means they encash once a "complete" application is received.
Movingforward I quote the following:
The CIO will assess the applicant's submission as-is and make a final determination of eligibility
under the MI issued on June 26, 2010. To be eligible for processing, the applicant must meet all
the criteria described in the MI. If the application is eligible for processing, the applicant will be
informed. This is where "Processing" begins, and before it they inform the applicant (Probably a PER referring to eligibility underlined above),

What do you think?

[brar82]

 @  brebu, thanks a million. But I read about a post June 2010 applicant whose application was returned only because he failed to write N/A. Sorry if I sound thick but I do not want to make a mistake as this is the second time I am applying.Please answer

I think Brebu is right. If the bar code is generated with some grayed field blank, that means your form is validated and complete. You need not to manually write N/A in such fields. Earlier no such provision was provided and that's y the apps were returned. This time they improved the forms.

[Cool Canada]

1122 Professional Occupations in Business Services to Management   419

The latest update. Keep discussing.

[angel.got.69]

I quote the following:
Once processing has begun, the cost recovery fee is no longer refundable.
The para before this sentence refers to the completness check. I want to drag you attention to "no longer refundable" which implies that it has been encashed and can still be "refunded" prior to this point which means they encash once a "complete" application is received.
Movingforward I quote the following:
The CIO will assess the applicant's submission as-is and make a final determination of eligibility
under the MI issued on June 26, 2010. To be eligible for processing, the applicant must meet all
the criteria described in the MI. If the application is eligible for processing, the applicant will be
informed. This is where "Processing" begins, and before it they inform the applicant (Probably a PER referring to eligibility underlined above),

What do you think?

Absolutely true! which is my point all along tracing back on my previous post prior to this.

we can say that the process is a two part process verification of completeness then eligibility review.

but eligibility review in itself has a lot of process to undergo... completeness of an application is like mere ministerial function only.
(only when an application is complete that they will start the charging process and until at least the initial stage of the eligibility review. (minimum requirements only).

(example. my colleague emailed CIC to verify the status of his application after 6 weeks from date of receipt, CIC responded that his application was deemed complete and that will undergo the next process. after four months he received a package from CIC, included where his application forms and his Demand Draft which was never encashed. the reason was R10 was not satisfied.)

but the eligibility review is a much more complicated thing base on OP6 it would be around 3 more stages.

Again I would not speculate on when it was actually charge. My only message here is that charging of CC/BD are not accurate statistics as to your inclusion in the CAP.  the only reason we want to know who and when you got charged is for verification of your application, if it is complete as determined by CIC since their is no way for us to determine such due to the cancellation of the first AOR.

[Big O]

Absolutely true! which is my point all along tracing back on my previous post prior to this.

we can say that the process is a two part process verification of completeness then eligibility review.

but eligibility review in itself has a lot of process to undergo... completeness of an application is like mere ministerial function only.
(only when an application is complete that they will start the charging process and until at least the initial stage of the eligibility review. (minimum requirements only).

(example. my colleague emailed CIC to verify the status of his application after 6 weeks from date of receipt, CIC responded that his application was deemed complete and that will undergo the next process. after four months he received a package from CIC, included where his application forms and his Demand Draft which was never encashed. the reason was R10 was not satisfied.)

but the eligibility review is a much more complicated thing base on OP6 it would be around 3 more stages.

Again I would not speculate on when it was actually charge. My only message here is that charging of CC/BD are not accurate statistics as to your inclusion in the CAP.  the only reason we want to know who and when you got charged is for verification of your application, if it is complete as determined by CIC since their is no way for us to determine such due to the cancellation of the first AOR.

This is the question we all trying to answer here.

[echoes1978]

Hi to you all

We would like to report that the payment for our documents received on 07.07.2011 was encashed today.
NOC 1122
Payment method CC
No Agent used
Docs sent on 02.07
Visa office - Bucharest

Good luck to you all and god bless you

congratulations, you are the first one from 7th July applicants to report CC charge

[angel.got.69]

we could just simply stop relying on the dates of encashment... again you can't see no pattern their based on the spreadsheet.

Let us just all wait for the 6th week email CIC and let us post their reply on this forum, would that not be more accurate information. that is tantamount to your first AOR....

[Big O]

we could just simply stop relying on the dates of encashment... again you can't see no pattern their based on the spreadsheet.

Let us just all wait for the 6th week email CIC and let us post their reply on this forum, would that not be more accurate information. that is tantamount to your first AOR....

Another dazzling issue: 7312 has 1 less application! go figure.

[echoes1978]

Another dazzling issue: 7312 has 1 less application! go figure.

I think it's because fee payment couldn't be done. There is no other logical explanation. Do you really think that after CIO makes eligibility review and decide to charge your fees, there is a chance that they discover that some of your forms or supporting documents are missing? I think not. After fee payment is done, if you are not eligible, you will receive NER and not just simply be removed from completed apps. list.

[angel.got.69]

The end for NOC 1122 is near! I am hoping and praying that all NOC 1122 applications in this forum is now included in the CAP.

You will all receive your PR VISA! Keep your spirits high, do not worry so much everything will take a smooth course!

as my Filipino friend here in Guam would say "think positive walang aatras" hope to see you all in Canada!

[brebu]

New prayer for 1122 applicants:

God, please make a crane operator...

[brebu]

*God, please make me a crane operator:)

[brebu]

Valeto, de unde esti?

[DiW]

I am checking the numbers of application recently, and my NOC is 7312
:http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/complete-applications.asp

I found that on Monday, the number for 7312 was changed to 6 (just after they had received my application), but today it changed back to 5. what does this mean?

[Lahoree]

****UPDATE****

Applications received toward the overall cap: 897 of 10,000 as of August 10, 2011
Applications received per eligible occupation:
Eligible Occupation
(by National Occupational Classification [NOC] code)    Number of Complete Applications Received*
0631 Restaurant and Food Service Managers    34
0811 Primary Production Managers (except Agriculture)     6
1122 Professional Occupations in Business Services to Management    419
1233 Insurance Adjusters and Claims Examiners    9
2121 Biologists and Related Scientists    27
2151 Architects    19
3111 Specialist Physicians    19
3112 General Practitioners and Family Physicians    7
3113 Dentists    24
3131 Pharmacists    39
3142 Physiotherapists    10
3152 Registered Nurses    148
3215 Medical Radiation Technologists    6
3222 Dental Hygienists and Dental Therapists    3
3233 Licensed Practical Nurses    7
4151 Psychologists    3
4152 Social Workers    28
6241 Chefs    7
6242 Cooks    13
7215 Contractors and Supervisors, Carpentry Trades    10
7216 Contractors and Supervisors, Mechanic Trades    12
7241 Electricians (except Industrial and Power System)    5
7242 Industrial Electricians    7
7251 Plumbers    1
7265 Welders and Related Machine Operators    1
7312 Heavy-Duty Equipment Mechanics    5
7371 Crane Operators    0
7372 Drillers and Blasters – Surface Mining, Quarrying and Construction    1
8222 Supervisors, Oil and Gas Drilling and Service    7