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« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2009, 12:35:03 pm »

chouhans,i think u should sit for ielts eventhough i didnt write it.got my pr without it last yr but you can never say,just write it so as to take the full advantage.cheers

Hi
I have received my initial approval and now am getting my application ready for local visa office . I have an ESL exemption certificate( from English Language Institute) from the US (masters from US , worked there) due to which my consultant considered 12 points for that.

Do you think after submission of complete documents I could be asked to submit IELTS score?
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« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2009, 01:22:25 pm »

http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/reapply-for-the-pr-after-rejection-t25205.0.html;msg139768#msg139768
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« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2009, 03:14:05 pm »


But this is for the first stage.

Can they ask for IELTS when we submit full application at local visa office(the 120 day file)??
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« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2009, 04:46:21 pm »


But this is for the first stage.

Can they ask for IELTS when we submit full application at local visa office(the 120 day file)??
This is the stage that they actually want to see it - at the local visa office.

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« Reply #19 on: September 09, 2009, 05:24:47 pm »

Hi All
what to do in such a case when your full application is due in local chc and ielts exam and result are expected soon after your final application is submitted?like in my case i ll submit my full application on 5th of october and my ielts result ll be out on 9th october?what should i do with my full application?
Thanks in advance.
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« Reply #20 on: September 09, 2009, 10:47:04 pm »


But this is for the first stage.

Can they ask for IELTS when we submit full application at local visa office(the 120 day file)??
This is the stage that they actually want to see it - at the local visa office.



But as I mentioned earlier I have an ESL exemption certificate( from English Language Institute) from the US (masters from US , worked there) due to which my consultant considered 12 points for that.Will I still need IELTS??

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« Reply #21 on: September 09, 2009, 11:21:52 pm »

Yes you do,unless you want the IO to use his/her discretion. M.Sc. from US or ESL exemption dont matter much.
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« Reply #22 on: September 09, 2009, 11:45:15 pm »


But this is for the first stage.

Can they ask for IELTS when we submit full application at local visa office(the 120 day file)??
This is the stage that they actually want to see it - at the local visa office.



But as I mentioned earlier I have an ESL exemption certificate( from English Language Institute) from the US (masters from US , worked there) due to which my consultant considered 12 points for that.Will I still need IELTS??


Yes you do,unless you want the IO to use his/her discretion. M.Sc. from US or ESL exemption dont matter much.

BobbyB and other seniors please help out with this.
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« Reply #23 on: September 10, 2009, 03:46:57 am »

chouhans,i think u should sit for ielts eventhough i didnt write it.got my pr without it last yr but you can never say,just write it so as to take the full advantage.cheers

Hi Soj
Could you please tell what was your proof for english proficieny since you did it without ielts.
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« Reply #24 on: September 10, 2009, 04:20:17 am »

Yes you do,unless you want the IO to use his/her discretion. M.Sc. from US or ESL exemption dont matter much.

BobbyB and other seniors please help out with this.
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Here help yourself:
Proof of your language abilities

If you have some proficiency in both English and French, decide which language you are more comfortable using. This is your first official language. The other is your second official language.

If you claim to have language abilities on your application, you must provide conclusive proof of your level of proficiency. There are two ways to do this. You can:

    * take a language test or
    * provide other written proof of your abilities.

We strongly recommend that you take a language test from an approved organization. You will find a link to a list of approved English language testing organizations under the Related Links section at the bottom of this page. You will also find a link to additional information on language testing.

Skilled workers and professionals: Who can apply—Selection factors
Providing other written evidence

We strongly recommend that you take an official language test if you are claiming skills in a language that is not your native language.

If you choose not to take an approved language test, you must prove your ability to speak, listen, read and write Canada's official languages through other written evidence. You must provide written proof and an explanation that clearly shows you meet the benchmark criteria listed in the Canadian Language Benchmarks in each of the four skills.

NOTE
Citizenship and Immigration Canada (CIC) officers will not conduct an interview to assess your language skills. CIC will only use test results from organizations approved by CIC in assigning language points.

You must:


   1. Indicate what level of language proficiency you are claiming for each skill (speaking, listening, reading and writing).
   2. Submit, with your application for immigration, a written explanation and supporting documentation as proof of the levels you have indicated.

      This material should include:
          * a written submission explaining your training in English or French;
          * an explanation of how you commonly use English or French;
          * official documentation of education in English or French; and
          * official documentation of work experience in English or French.

What happens next

A CIC officer will review the evidence you include with your application.

    * Your submission must satisfy the officer that your language skills meet the benchmarks for the levels you are claiming.
    * The officer will award points for your language ability based on what you send with your application.
    * You will not know in advance how many points the CIC officer will give you for your language skills.


So after you have decided which way you want to go: If you choose the second option i.e provide other written proof of your abilities.
then,



Other written evidence

         If the applicant provides a written explanation and supporting documentation in lieu of test results,
         officers must assess it against the Canadian Language Benchmarks 2000, and/or the Standards
         Linguistiques Canadiens 2006. R79(2) establishes the following equivalencies between the four
         proficiency levels and the Canadian Language Benchmarks:

                 Proficiency level                             Benchmark equivalencies

                        High                                      Benchmark 8 or higher

                     Moderate                                        Benchmark 6 or 7

                       Basic                                         Benchmark 4 or 5

                  No proficiency                                  Benchmark 3 or lower

         Thus, for purposes of assessment of proficiency levels, it is Benchmarks 4, 6, and 8 that are of
         key importance, as they are the thresholds of the three levels for which points can be awarded.
         Refer to the following quick reference chart to access the appropriate Canadian Language
         Benchmarks:

 Proficiency level                                         Ability

                          Speaking             Listening            Reading               Writing

        High            Benchmark 8:         Benchmark 8:         Benchmark 8:        Benchmark 8:

                         pages 68-71         pages 82-83          pages 94-95         pages 106-107

     Moderate           Benchmark 6:         Benchmark 6:         Benchmark 6:        Benchmark 6:

                         pages 60-63         pages 78-79          pages 90-91         pages 102-103

        Basic           Benchmark 4:         Benchmark 4:         Benchmark 4:        Benchmark 4:

                         pages 12-13         pages 24-25          pages 36-37          pages 48-49

   No proficiency      Does not meet        Does not meet        Does not meet        Does not meet
                        benchmark 4          benchmark 4          benchmark 4          benchmark 4


Note:    See www.language.ca for Canadian Language Benchmarks.

         For each proficiency level in each ability (i.e., speaking, listening, reading, and writing), the
         Benchmarks set out the following descriptions:

         •  global performance descriptors;

         •  performance conditions;

         •  what the person can do;

         •  examples of tasks and texts; and

         •  performance indicators.


 With these detailed descriptors, officers will assess whether or not the applicant's evidence in
         writing satisfies them that they possess their claimed proficiency levels in English and/or French.

                If ...                                        Then the officer will ...

the material submitted satisfies     •  award language points for the proficiency levels claimed,
the officer that the applicant has       according to the chart provided in Section 10.3;
the proficiency levels claimed

the material submitted satisfies     •  inform the applicant in writing that they have not
the officer that the applicant has       demonstrated compliance with the Benchmarks at the levels
demonstrated language                    claimed.
proficiency of at least
                                     •  offer the applicant the opportunity to undergo and submit the
Benchmark level "4" but not the
                                         results of a designated language test within a certain time
proficiency levels claimed
                                         period.

                                     If the designated test option is not pursued by the applicant:

                                     •  inform the applicant that they have satisfied the officer of
                                         some language proficiency but have not demonstrated
                                         compliance with the Benchmarks for the levels they have
                                         claimed and award the maximum points that are appropriate
                                         for the submission.

the evidence provided does not  •  award 0 points.
demonstrate a Benchmark level
of at least "4"

         The onus is on the applicant to satisfy the officer of claimed language proficiency.

         •  Given the detailed nature of the Canadian Language Benchmarks 2000 and the Standards
              linguistiques canadiens 2000 it should be clear that, in most cases where language
              proficiency is not patently obvious from the applicant's background, self-serving declarations,
              third-party testimonials and/or other claims not supported by detailed and objective evidence
              will be of little probative value in establishing high or moderate proficiency.

10.11.    Integrity concerns on language proficiency during an interview

         The interview is NOT intended to be a means of evaluating language proficiency. Officers
         CANNOT change language point awards or make new language point assessments themselves
         based on what they have discovered at interview. However, if an applicant is interviewed for any
         other reason and significant discrepancies become evident between claimed and actual language
         proficiency, there may be an integrity issue. The following options are available to officers:

  If ...                                         Then the officer will ...

designated results have been
submitted, the officer will verify
test scores and integrity of
testing procedures for the case
in question with the local testing
agency.
                                                                             •  accept the test score;
•  If the officer is satisfied that
     there is no fraud or
     malfeasance in the testing
     procedures for the case in
     question


•  If the officer is not satisfied,     •  inform the applicant of their concerns and, in coordination
     but there is insufficient              with the testing agency, provide an opportunity to take a
     evidence to establish fraud            second test at testing agency's expense and with visa
     or malfeasance in the                  office supervision.
     testing procedures for the
     case in question and to            •  If the applicant refuses the third-party language testing
     substantiate a refusal for
                                            option, then the officer will refuse the application for
     misrepresentation                      misrepresentation, given the discrepancy between the test

                                            scores and the actual language abilities.

•  If the officer is satisfied that
                                        •  refuse the case for misrepresentation.
     there is sufficient evidence
     to establish fraud or
     malfeasance in the testing
     procedures for the case in
     question
If a written submission has been
provided, the officer will offer
the applicant an opportunity to
take a designated test;

•  If the applicant takes a             •  accept test scores submitted;
     designated test
                                        •  refuse the application for misrepresentation, given the
•  If the applicant does not                discrepancy between the documents submitted and the
     take a designated test                 actual language abilities

 
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« Reply #25 on: September 10, 2009, 11:47:36 pm »

Thanks BobbyB for such a well explained reply.
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