unstopabl3
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« on: December 05, 2007, 11:00:25 am » |
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It's one of those moments when your family just shatters and you loose all hope. I am looking for a genuine answer to my problem so I urge you to post a serious reply.
We entered Canada 7 years ago through USA's border and submitted a refugee claim at the Canadian border. Our claim was rejected a few years later and we fought the decision but they denied us again and gave us a certain time to depart the country on our own or they will return us to USA forcefully. We are a family of 6 and were very scared ATM and didn't have any relatives or friends who guided us properly. We decided to stay in Canada illegally and didn't show up for the departure time/date.
All of the adults in my family (me, my sister, mom and dad) have been working part-time here and there to make ends meet for the past 5 years. My dad and mom have been paying tax and even getting the tax refunds. Neither me nor my 3 siblings have attended a school in over 5 years now. Recently my they caught my dad and detained him in a detention center in Toronto and had notified us of the same procedure which they told us 5 years ago. They have only detained my dad and asked us to show up to a hearing, which we did yesterday, and they have given us a temporarily release until we get our papers sorted out. My dad is still in detention and they are advising us that there are 98% chances that he will be sent to USA border and they will take care of him there, probably a 5 months detention before they deport him back home.
They told us if we get our tickets and get the paper work ready we might be able to go back home as a family but the chances are very slim because of the time shortage. So my question is how can we get my dad bailed from detention and go back home as a family. The immigration people told us that we can hire a consultant but we're not sure who to hire or how to go about this issue.
We all want to just go back home because everyone has told us there is no hope (legally) for us in Canada. We are willing to pay for our own tickets and arrange all the paper works, what should we do!
P.S If this is not in the right forum please move it.
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PMM
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« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2007, 01:07:36 pm » |
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Hi It's one of those moments when your family just shatters and you loose all hope. I am looking for a genuine answer to my problem so I urge you to post a serious reply.
We entered Canada 7 years ago through USA's border and submitted a refugee claim at the Canadian border. Our claim was rejected a few years later and we fought the decision but they denied us again and gave us a certain time to depart the country on our own or they will return us to USA forcefully. We are a family of 6 and were very scared ATM and didn't have any relatives or friends who guided us properly. We decided to stay in Canada illegally and didn't show up for the departure time/date.
All of the adults in my family (me, my sister, mom and dad) have been working part-time here and there to make ends meet for the past 5 years. My dad and mom have been paying tax and even getting the tax refunds. Neither me nor my 3 siblings have attended a school in over 5 years now. Recently my they caught my dad and detained him in a detention center in Toronto and had notified us of the same procedure which they told us 5 years ago. They have only detained my dad and asked us to show up to a hearing, which we did yesterday, and they have given us a temporarily release until we get our papers sorted out. My dad is still in detention and they are advising us that there are 98% chances that he will be sent to USA border and they will take care of him there, probably a 5 months detention before they deport him back home.
They told us if we get our tickets and get the paper work ready we might be able to go back home as a family but the chances are very slim because of the time shortage. So my question is how can we get my dad bailed from detention and go back home as a family. The immigration people told us that we can hire a consultant but we're not sure who to hire or how to go about this issue.
We all want to just go back home because everyone has told us there is no hope (legally) for us in Canada. We are willing to pay for our own tickets and arrange all the paper works, what should we do!
P.S If this is not in the right forum please move it.
It is unlikely that you father will be released as he has previously failed to appear for removal. So unless CBSA arranges a removal for all the family to the US on the same day, where there is a good chance the whole family will be detained, you are better off arranging your own flights home. PMM |
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TaaDow
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« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2007, 08:52:06 am » |
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Guess you should have just gone back 5 years ago instead of living such a hard illegal lifestyle here. I feel no pity for anyone caught abusing the system.
BYE!!!
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unstopabl3
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« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2007, 10:37:02 am » |
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Thanks for the replies, we won't be detained because they have given us a temporary release because they are holding my dad.
I wanted to know if there is a way we can bail him out, mayb with a bond or a canadian citizen providing his garuntee or something?
"TaaDow" you disgust me, if you can't help someone don't make it worse for them than it already is.
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TaaDow
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« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2007, 10:46:29 am » |
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and as a Canadian taxpayers who's tax dollars are being spent on dealing with your illegal activities, how should we feel about you? As an immigration officer who's decisions you've obviously decided to ignore, how should we feel about you?
No one is above the system.
I genuinly hope that you and your family are re-united wherever you're headed and that life becomes easier for you, but don't expect sympethy or pity while you're the ones who broke the rules.
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unstopabl3
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« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2007, 11:09:15 am » |
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Both my dad and mom have been working for 7 years in Canada and both have been paying there taxes and getting tax refunds.
I know that it was wrong when they decided not to go back home the first time around but there were many genuine reasons why they did that. Even though we are not permanent residents of Canada we have been very civil, no criminal activities, no traffic tickets, not even once we had issues with police or other law departments, haven't conned anyone, don't owe anyone money and yet we have to leave just because we had no proper guidance. On othere hands I've seen criminals, cheats, frauds enjoying there lives in Canada and the so called "Law" let's them do that, how do you think that makes us feel?
I don't want you or anyone else to feel sorry or sympathy for us, I was merely asking for a suggestion, don't bite my head off for that.
P.S If you have no feelings, you're no human!
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thaiguy
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« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2007, 07:42:31 pm » |
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and as a Canadian taxpayers who's tax dollars are being spent ... This forum is intended to provide assistance to people who wish to immigrate. Therefore, your comments don't belong here. Please find an "I-hate-immigrants" forum in the web and post there. I'm sure you'll be welcomed with open arms. |
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mc_dub
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« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2007, 10:12:47 am » |
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and as a Canadian taxpayers who's tax dollars are being spent ... This forum is intended to provide assistance to people who wish to immigrate. Therefore, your comments don't belong here. Please find an "I-hate-immigrants" forum in the web and post there. I'm sure you'll be welcomed with open arms. that's a bit harsh, last I checked this was a forum for helping people who wish to come here legally rather than skipping the queue and breaking the law |
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thaiguy
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« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2007, 11:28:49 am » |
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It's a well deserved comment. This poster has already indicated that he/she now views all immigrants skeptically. And that from an immigration officer!
Potential immigrants come to this site to get advice. Having an immigration officer talk demeaningly about them will no doubt deter even some legitimate immigrants from applying. It's stereotyping and inappropriate in a forum whose purpose is to assist.
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mc_dub
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« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2007, 11:52:45 am » |
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It's a well deserved comment. This poster has already indicated that he/she now views all immigrants skeptically. And that from an immigration officer!
Potential immigrants come to this site to get advice. Having an immigration officer talk demeaningly about them will no doubt deter even some legitimate immigrants from applying. It's stereotyping and inappropriate in a forum whose purpose is to assist.
How on earth do you get all of that from what he said? He only mentions the illegal activities and I would hope that his attitude towards illegal activities would make people think twice about coming here that way! At no point does he criticze anything other than the illegal aspect so you are being overly-sensitive in saying he has a skeptical view of ALL immigrants and where exactly does the stereotyping occur in his posts? |
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thaiguy
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« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2007, 10:04:46 pm » |
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Actually I see some of his earlier posts have been modified. Good thing. He was talking about Indians marrying their own brothers and cousins to get into the country and how he now couldn't even look at an immigrant without being suspicious.
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kamillaluv
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« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2007, 01:24:43 pm » |
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This is disgusting!!!
You people if you have nothing good to say don't say anything at ALL!!!
People are trying to seek help and all you do is criticize. Of coarse its easy to say such things when you have never had such problems. Just remember you WEREN'T in Canada forever. And you're great great parents just snatched the land from the natives!!! Suddenly you have your pride. For your info Canada was built on Immigrants.
Cant stand you racists and your racist comments!!!
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thaiguy
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« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2007, 01:38:38 pm » |
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kamillaluv - Try to keep up with the conversation, ok? We already resolved that those kinds of comments were unacceptable.
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mc_dub
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« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2007, 02:00:46 pm » |
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Can anyone point me out the racist comments in this thread? (given the fact those mentioned by thaiguy are not here) And if it was aimed at me I arrived here as an immigrant 2 weeks ago after jumping through hoops and having to leave twice (legally I might add) so you'll pardon me if I don't have any sympathy for people who seem to think they can just ignore the law because it doesn't suit their wishes
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thaiguy
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« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2007, 08:21:27 pm » |
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The racist remarks were edited out. There's no longer anything to see.
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ellegirl
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« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2008, 08:00:23 am » |
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Hey.
We had almost the same situation. We have sought asylum in the UK and got refused permanent status, and one morning the immigration came for us and they moved us to London and detained us for 1 week. They have got us tickets for next Monday but before that my Dad got acquianted with a guy from Ukraine (met him in the detention centre too) and he told us that if my Mother was the main applicant of the case, my Father could apply for asylum straight in the detention centre. My Dad did that and they released us all, he went forward with a new case. (tell your Dad to fax his claim to the Home Office/CIC? in your city) It took them a couple of months to refuse him too but we weren't so naive this time so we have moved to another house and started living and working illegally. We have evaded the immigration authorities for some time but then life became more and more difficult (they kept looking for us, like coming into college after me and my sister). Somehow my parents found out about an agency called the IOM (International Organisation for Migration) and went there. You can find this agency all over the world (go to their website and find their office in Canada). This agency sorted out our documents and payed for our tickets to go back to our country. It was much better this way because at least we got to leave like normal human beings and not like prisoners in handcuffs. There might also be a small reward if Canada is offering it, they payed us a nice sum of money because we voluntarily left. We haven't trusted them until the last moment but they didn't sell us out to the Home Office, they kept their word.
I hope I'm not too late with my answer and that I helped.
Best wishes to you and your family
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« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2008, 01:27:09 pm » |
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From what I have been reading in this thread - sorry to say most of it is negative. I personally feel that since this topic was put up and a thread exists, Unstopabl3 should receive positive input.
I am sure he knows, the decisions taken by his parents were incorrect for which he and the family are paying.
Sorry I don't have any positive inputs to your post. However, I wish for you the Very Best and a life fully of happiness with you and your family wherever you may eventually live.
Ps. the post from ellegirl is very constructive, hope it helps....
Hey.
We had almost the same situation. We have sought asylum in the UK and got refused permanent status, and one morning the immigration came for us and they moved us to London and detained us for 1 week. They have got us tickets for next Monday but before that my Dad got acquianted with a guy from Ukraine (met him in the detention centre too) and he told us that if my Mother was the main applicant of the case, my Father could apply for asylum straight in the detention centre. My Dad did that and they released us all, he went forward with a new case. (tell your Dad to fax his claim to the Home Office/CIC? in your city) It took them a couple of months to refuse him too but we weren't so naive this time so we have moved to another house and started living and working illegally. We have evaded the immigration authorities for some time but then life became more and more difficult (they kept looking for us, like coming into college after me and my sister). Somehow my parents found out about an agency called the IOM (International Organisation for Migration) and went there. You can find this agency all over the world (go to their website and find their office in Canada). This agency sorted out our documents and payed for our tickets to go back to our country. It was much better this way because at least we got to leave like normal human beings and not like prisoners in handcuffs. There might also be a small reward if Canada is offering it, they payed us a nice sum of money because we voluntarily left. We haven't trusted them until the last moment but they didn't sell us out to the Home Office, they kept their word.
I hope I'm not too late with my answer and that I helped.
Best wishes to you and your family
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« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2008, 01:34:31 pm » |
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Greetings TaaDow.
I happened to come across your remarks to "unstoppable3" as I was browsing the posts this morning. I understand how you feel about her situation. I am from the USA where we have 12 to 20 million "illegal immigrants" living underground and costing American taxpayers billions of dollars every year. A lot of criminal behaviour as well. There is a lot of resentment here over our situation. As well as hate. However, most Americans understand why people want to live here. On the most part, these illegals "mostly Mexicans" just want to live in safety and peace and take care of their families. No one can blame them for that. Yes, they should have come through the proper channels but it is what it is.
I appreciate people like you who are willing to take time to answer questions for people like me who are new to all of this and need answers to our immigration questions. But I was dissappointed upon reading your remarks to "unstoppable3." Her family obviously took a wrong turn and the law has caught up with them. I suspect that unstoppable3 had no voice in the decision that the parents made. Obviously however, he or she is certainly sharing in the suffering and she came to this blog for help. Because you are one of the senior members, she came to you.
All of this is really none of my business. I don't know you and you don't know me. I'm just suggesting that you being a leader in this particular arena (which by nature makes all of us feel helpless at times and certainly vulnerable in some respects), must carry some sense of responsibility and heart in how you approach those who come to this blog for help and advice.
It is a mistake for us to judge others simply by the law. Someday the law may come to judge the judge. Just my opinion but I think an apology is in order.
Sincerly,
rgvinson777
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Gordy
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« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2008, 03:42:45 am » |
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Good Morning: rgvinson777
Im new here , Im a retiree from General Motors and i was thinking about retiring in Canada and I came across this post .
Well said "rgvinson777" , I just wonder why people are so mean and cruel now days . Again thanks for a great post "rgvinson777"
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« Reply #19 on: February 29, 2008, 07:25:35 pm » |
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It s hard to do anything once you got deportation order,im suprised that you didnt try to get consulat or lawyer even thou it can cost money.
Anyways i wish you luck .
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SubatomicBionicNanoMan
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« Reply #20 on: March 15, 2008, 12:41:00 am » |
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I pity for this family. Whatever the history, at this moment, right here right now my humanity comes forward not some abstract
concept of citizenship (which will be real when all mouths have been fed and rested, which is not the case here).
Anywhoo I have a question for unstopabl: If you are USA residents/citizens, did you commit any economic offense
that you fled the US? Just curious
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