Desperate shortage of skilled workers

[COCOSTING]

I still cant understand or get over this, every website or information source is shouting at the top of their voice that there is desperate shortage of skilled manpower in Canada and yet skilled immigrants are struggling to find decent employment let alone good ones.

If there is so much shortage why don't they focus on the skill rather that the qualification and where the qualification was earned. Experience is experience, irrespective of where it was earned. I think differentiating between Canadian and overseas experience is discrimination and should be dealt with legally.  

[COCOSTING]

Strange , nobody agrees with me,lol.

[afaraz]

Strange , nobody agrees with me,lol.

I agree with you but do they really discriminate immigrant or really candain experience or certification are really necessary. Please suggest with your comments

[COCOSTING]

I think they are deing discriminated in some way,else why would you see so many immigrants struglling, drving taxies or flipping burgers?

[Baloo]

I think they are deing discriminated in some way,else why would you see so many immigrants struglling, drving taxies or flipping burgers?

To be honest, if that is what it takes to get ahead in Canada then where is the problem.
If I want to be in Canada then I have to accept the local conditions, the other option is do not apply.

For me experience counts above all - but how else can employers make selections unless they look at qualifications and local experience?
How many companies would employ someone just to see if they were good enough at the job?

[qorax]

Strange , nobody agrees with me,lol.

Hi all,

I agree with Cocosting, there is a problem somewhere. However, what Babloo suggests also perfectly makes sense. The problem lies with the Canadian system of 'assessing' our overseas acquired qualifications.

There's a continued debate about the failure of Canadian Labor Market to recognize our foreign borne skills, vis-a-vis its equivalence parlance, leading to immigrants being under utilized. And overall causing serious harm to the job market, as well as individual settlement plans. Thus, citizens, as well as PRs, are questionning the efficacy of the 'occupation based' immigration policy system of CIC.

THE PAN-CANDIAN FAMEWORK:
Now, HRSDC has designed an 'action plan' called the Pan-Canadian Framework, which aims to achieving Canada's economic potential by requiring that immigrants be able to use to the fullest, their skills & experience within the Canadian labour market.

It proposes Government to take concerted action on the "assessment and recognition" of foreign qualifications in order to create an environment where immigrants are able to apply their talents, in the Canadian job market. It seems to be a good effort & a right, plus long-awaited one. You guys may like to 'click the following link' & have a read on the issue: http://www.hrsdc.gc.ca/eng/workplaceskills/publications/fcr/pcf_folder/PDF/pcf.pdf

Regards,
Qorax.

[afaraz]

To be honest, if that is what it takes to get ahead in Canada then where is the problem.
If I want to be in Canada then I have to accept the local conditions, the other option is do not apply.

For me experience counts above all - but how else can employers make selections unless they look at qualifications and local experience?
How many companies would employ someone just to see if they were good enough at the job?

If you have 4 - 10 years experience, then why do you need to do canadian education. i can understand local experience should be preferance but i have heard that if you are immgrant there will be difference in the salaries from citizens.

I dont have much idea about that but i have read it somewhere on the website.

[Baloo]

I read the document on the Pan-Canadian Framework, it looks like good place to start.
One thing I do see as something to change in the document is the one year time guarantee. This should be a matter of months, not a year, and immigrants should be able to access this recognition system before landing.

I guess that there will be a difference in salary, and I don't agree with it, but at present that is what we have to deal with.

If you have 4 - 10 years experience, then why do you need to do canadian education

Good point, and I agree with it, but how can an employer assess that experience without a big investment in time or money?
It stands to reason that employers want to employ people, but the employment process must be cost efficient. If an immigrant costs more (time or money) than a local person, we all know what the employer will choose  - no matter what the legislation states.

Let me be clear, I would like the process to be better, but as I said, we all have a choice.
Those of us that choose immigration already know it is not likely to be an easy path;
At present isn't the problem of getting the employment that you want just another part of the overall (difficult/stressful/worrying) immigration process?

[COCOSTING]

Baloo, your point is very valid in normal circumstances. No employer will choose a more cost intensive process. In Canada (apparently)it is anything but normal. There are huge claims of skilled manpower shortage,  this even forced the govt to considerably speed up the immigration process.

If the companies have to spend a little more to get the right people and if they don't want to compromise on quality then it is totally justifiable. Moreover the solution to ever problem, even big problems need not always be complicated or costly. In my case I am ready to work for three months in any company FREE OF COST and let them decide later if they think I am right for the job and/or my experience is inferior or at par (if not superior) to Canadian experience. This way they get to test me on the job without spending a penny.

[ei8ht]

Yeah ppl.... that is what I see here all around. Employers are complaining that they do not get good guys, while scores & scores of us are doing impractical jobs.

impractical I say because we are mostly doing job which are not part of our core skill set. This is off course in the initial phases. 2-3 yrs or so it is a different story.

And come what may, those employers will not hire a newcomer into a good position.

[COCOSTING]

impractical I say because we are mostly doing job which are not part of our core skill set. This is off course in the initial phases. 2-3 yrs or so it is a different story.

Eight, When you said 2-3 yrs it is a different shory, did you mean that the employers will be less biased because you have gained some kind of Canadian experience?

[hellovn]

Although I am an international student in Canada and have some discrimination when looking for a job, I think it is normal for companies to look for someone with Canadian degree and experience. If you are a boss, do you want to hire a guy without knowing about his qualification and experience?

Just my idea !

[farima]

Hello all members of this foum.
Let us talk about the advantages of Canada. i mean after getting PR or citigenship what are the facilities we r going to add.
i have applied for immigration in 2006. i have also send final documments and other required papers in this Dec.
after watching this forum's discurssion one question has came to my mind. Is canada our dream land or just nightmare!!!!!!!

[afaraz]

Its not about easy or difficult, the point is why difference in immigrant and non imigrant salaries. The CHC has verifed immigrant experiences and they can asses them by interviewing. Another question is that , how they verify canadian experience of non immigrants ?

[BobbyB]

Its not about easy or difficult, the point is why difference in immigrant and non imigrant salaries.
The CHC has verifed immigrant experiences and they can asses them by interviewing. Another question is that , how they verify canadian experience of non immigrants ?
"
The CIC is not responsible for verifying your experiences with regards to employment in Canada. They only verify your experiences with regards to your employment in your country of residence or elsewhere and, for the award of points and not for Canada.
Here: This is what is on the CIC website: So don't blame anybody if people have to drive Taxis, flip Burgers , deliver parcels etc etc.
"Finding employment in Canada requires planning. You should obtain as much information as possible before you apply to immigrate. There is no guarantee that you will be able to work in your preferred occupation"."

BobbyB.