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uccemebug
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« on: April 09, 2011, 05:07:36 pm »

Hi, everyone. Our outland PR application went in this week. We've just learned that my wife's 93-year-old grandmother has had a serious stroke and lost considerable function and is not recovering. Should we lose her, my wife would be like to attend the funeral.

I've read some threads on this site (e.g. http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/-t44798.0.html) that suggest that leaving Canada with an outland application in process may not jeapordize our PR application. I'll be calling the CIC help desk on Monday to ask, but I'd also like the advice of this forum: is there a hard and fast rule against departing with an outland application in process? Or is it something that's perhaps frowned upon but there's leeway? Or is it a non-issue altogether?

Thanks in advance.
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steaky
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« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2011, 05:25:10 pm »

I don't think there would be issues.
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uccemebug
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Passport Req..: 09-12-2011
VISA ISSUED...: 10-05-2011
LANDED..........: 10-05-20

« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2011, 05:47:27 pm »

I don't think there would be issues.

Thanks for the swift response. Since Canada doesn't require a visa for Japanese citizens, I'd expect that she'd be able to come and go but when it comes to officialdom I don't want to leave anything to luck/chance. For instance when I was dealing with customs to bring our personal possessions into the country, the agent refused as proof that I'd been living in Japan for the past twelve months:
+ my japanese driver's license
+ a notarized translation of that document
+ the spousal visas in my passport dating back to 2007
+ the family registration document showing the dates of our marriage, the 2008 birth of our son, etc

I'm left with the impression that the whole thing is left to the decision of the agent in question, which makes me doubtful.
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« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2011, 06:49:17 pm »



I'm left with the impression that the whole thing is left to the decision of the agent in question, which makes me doubtful.

That's the way it is... Visa or not visa, you're in the officers hand.
They can refuse entry  and she will have to go back and wait in Japan.
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Gemauru
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« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2011, 06:55:12 pm »

The good news, is that your application will continue normal process.

The biggest issue with inland other than be separated from your spouse,
your application is void, and you have to start a new one...
this time outland, no other option.
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« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2011, 09:55:37 pm »

Thanks for the swift response. Since Canada doesn't require a visa for Japanese citizens, I'd expect that she'd be able to come and go but when it comes to officialdom I don't want to leave anything to luck/chance. For instance when I was dealing with customs to bring our personal possessions into the country, the agent refused as proof that I'd been living in Japan for the past twelve months:
+ my japanese driver's license
+ a notarized translation of that document
+ the spousal visas in my passport dating back to 2007
+ the family registration document showing the dates of our marriage, the 2008 birth of our son, etc

I'm left with the impression that the whole thing is left to the decision of the agent in question, which makes me doubtful.

Correct.

And it is not a "non-issue".
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uccemebug
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« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2011, 05:40:44 am »

Correct.

And it is not a "non-issue".

Thank you, sir.
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« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2011, 06:34:38 am »

For an outland application, traveling will not be an issue. So, no worries.
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uccemebug
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« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2011, 02:49:34 pm »

I have an update. My wife went back to Japan to visit with family. Last night she re-entered without problem. They looked into her account and saw that she had applied for her PR visa and everything was fine.

Some notes on our case:
+ She's Japanese, so she needs no visitor visa to visit Canada
+ We'd technically been in violation of the terms of her first visit to Canada because he had a six month window and she left the country a week after that had expired (silly error on our part)
+ She had our (Canadian citizen) son with her and a copy of our PR application
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« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2011, 03:58:21 pm »

*Spanks uccemebug* Extension! LOL.  I don't think you will need another one, her leaving re-set the clock, so you have another 6 months and by then I am fairly sure she will be through with PR processing.  However...*tsks* bad uccemebug, bad! We taught you better than that, young man!  Tongue
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uccemebug
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Posts: 290
Ratings: +4
Category........: FAM
Visa Office......: Tokyo
Job Offer........: Yes
App. Filed.......: 06-04-2011
AOR Received.: 17-05-2011
File Transfer...: 10-05-2011
Med's Done....: 03-28-2011
Passport Req..: 09-12-2011
VISA ISSUED...: 10-05-2011
LANDED..........: 10-05-20

« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2011, 04:01:46 pm »

*Spanks uccemebug* Extension! LOL.  I don't think you will need another one, her leaving re-set the clock, so you have another 6 months and by then I am fairly sure she will be through with PR processing.  However...*tsks* bad uccemebug, bad! We taught you better than that, young man!  Tongue

What can I say, the grandmother looked like she might stabilize. We had decided against leaving the country altogether. Then the grandmother's case deteriorated badly and my wife felt she had to go. My wife reports that her presence was a big hit with everyone.
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CharlieD10
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Interview........: Waived
Passport Req..: 30-3-2012
VISA ISSUED...: 13-04-2012
LANDED..........: ?

« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2011, 04:04:59 pm »

Well, I am glad her Gran is doing better.  Smiley I'm sure they were very happy to see her and hear all about her settling into her new home! 
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