Decision Made and then Rejection Letter...

[Kanamen]

Hi pearl, any updates/response of your reconsideration letter?
Good Luck

[ayazf]

she seems so confident that her experience letters were rock solid.
I'd appeal immediately or go to a Federal court if I believed that I wasnt judged the proper way.

guys,

pray more, we dont wanna see rejections anymore else the rumor might turn true.

whats the rumour?

[jnathan]

that CIC would reject lots of pending applicants but that turned out to be false as CIC has apparently opted for keeping the Applications on their hands , changing the Status from RbVO to IN PROCESS, , making the application fees non refundable; having regular interests from the fees. it has all turned into a money making game.

[nurse_angel]

Hi Friends, I am new to this thread. I had my application since jan 2011 and I am just waiting for passport to be returned with Visa. I am scared coz my ecas shows exactly the same as Pearl's. I was alarmed when I read Pearl's situation. I saw my ecas changed to "Decision Made" last week until now my consultant has not given me any update. Should I be more patient or when a decision has been made, do they usually say in your ecas your visa is stamped or you are accepted? Please enlighten me. Thank you so much.

[mandiebraxton]

Hi Friends, I am new to this thread. I had my application since jan 2011 and I am just waiting for passport to be returned with Visa. I am scared coz my ecas shows exactly the same as Pearl's. I was alarmed when I read Pearl's situation. I saw my ecas changed to "Decision Made" last week until now my consultant has not given me any update. Should I be more patient or when a decision has been made, do they usually say in your ecas your visa is stamped or you are accepted? Please enlighten me. Thank you so much.

After passport request, what to look forward to is the VISA....I believe it is good news. Congrats! Mandie

[nurse_angel]

Hi Mandie, thanks for replying. Waiting makes me tensed but I'm thankful i can vent my feelings here. Whew!

[Cappuccino]

she seems so confident that her experience letters were rock solid.
I'd appeal immediately or go to a Federal court if I believed that I wasnt judged the proper way.

guys,

pray more, we dont wanna see rejections anymore else the rumor might turn true.

I agree. If you can demonstrate how the original reference letters match the various elements of the NOC duties and show you match x% (more than 50% at least) of these, and also demonstrate how these reference letters show you match the lead statement, then I think you have a good case for appeal.

It is important to demonstrate how you feel you were eligible with the documents sent to CIC originally, and not with any new documents you might want to send, since they will not consider extra documents after a decision is made. In their letter they did not say that they were refusing the application because the reference was word-for-word the same as the NOC description on the HRDSC site. They simply said that the references were not adequate.

Since 0213 is no longer on the in-demand list, I suspect they may reject the majority of borderline cases for this NOC which might otherwise succeed for applicants who are on the list. They probably think that most people won't bother appealling and will simply accept the rejection - so if you have good grounds for reasonably demonstrating you are eligible, it is certainly worth appealling.

Best of luck,
Wayne.

[Canadian Dreams]

Rightly said Wayne.... I am also from same NOC & now started suspecting a similar fate of my application. Since the NOC is no more in demand. They can fetch out even a minor descrepency to refuse.

Still this is not justified making people wait for such a long time & then refusing.

Dear Pearl, I guess all in NOC 213 must be curious to know 2 things.

1. What hapened to the appeal for re-consideration of your application ? What is the response received from CHC ?

2. I am personally keen to know (don't know about others) a brief details of job duties mentioned in your husband's application. If you can detail them, then people of similar NOC can inject another letter signed from their vertical in a more elaborate form to appease the VO. Indicating additional responsibilities assigied to them over the period of time.

In my case I had already been assigned additional duties by merging regions & teams. This thus increased my area of working & number of associates reporting into me & I have already planned to inject a new letter. I just want to modify & elaborate my job responsibilities.

I pray from the core of my heart that your appeal for reconsideration is accepted moves ahead to next stage & gets you maple leaf visa finally.

Best Regards

[haral]

hi pearl..

is it possible for you type or copy the JDs mentioned in your reference letter over here...that will certianly give everyone a better picture of what happened and why would a VO doubt its not enough......

Hi STARBUCKS & drmunir,
Thank u so much for ur kind words and prayers.I really appreciate it.

We will be mailing our reconsideration letter to LA tomorrow and lets wait for their feedback.

All the Best
Regards
pearl2010

[nurse_angel]

After passport request, what to look forward to is the VISA....I believe it is good news. Congrats! Mandie

Mandie, I got my visa! Thanks to God be the Glory!

[Cappuccino]

that CIC would reject lots of pending applicants but that turned out to be false as CIC has apparently opted for keeping the Applications on their hands , changing the Status from RbVO to IN PROCESS, , making the application fees non refundable; having regular interests from the fees. it has all turned into a money making game.

CIC would be playing a very dangerous game if that were the case. If they failed a case during processing, for a reason which was apparent prior to processing, just to try to keep the processing fees, then they would be on very shaky legal grounds and probably liable for prosecution in my view.

Honestly, I don't think this is an avenue which CIC would go down. If it is apparent that an application is ineligible then in my opinion they will simply fail it at the eligibility review stage.

Wayne.

[pearl2010]

Hi Friends,

Sorry for not replying to many of your queries,I didnt check this link for a long time.

We emailed LA office to know the feedback about our appeal letter around 1st week of August and again it was 'negative'.
here is the actual reply,
Dear Sir,
 
Your application for permanent residence in Canada was considered on its substantive merits and was refused. You were provided with the decision containing the reasons for refusing your application for permanent residence in Canada, by letter addressed to you dated  ---, thereby fully concluding your application.
Should you have different or additional information, you may wish to submit a new application for permanent residence in Canada.
  
Yours truly,  


We thank everyone of you for your valuable suggestions,encouraging words and prayers.Special thanks to Qorax,Kanamen,anumatri,omm,Hasni,Canada_dream100,Canadaforall,CanadaHome,jnathan,fariza,Nylam168,Acelawyer,Vermas,
rigmarole,alizafar,PalNP,Suruchi,lovetruth28,USH1B,carigirl,nicholas30,Starbucks,drmunir,JigJig,obie,imu,khans,adufe,
ayazf,nurse_angel,mandi,rocky994,Cappuccino,Canadian Dreams,haral for your constant support.
I am sorry if I missed anyone else.

nurse_angel-->Congratulations for the visa
Canadian Dreams,haral-->The original exp letter had the total yrs of experience,positions held,timeline of each position with duties & responsibities in detail, salary details, and working hours.
Canadian Dreams-->I dont think u should send any updated exp letter now,bcoz we dont know what is going on with our applications and sometimes a positive decision may have already been made on ur application.so pls hold on to it.

Once again Thank you ALL.
Wishing everyone All the very Best.

Regards
pearl2010

[listener]

Hi Friends,

There were lot of good news coming in these days and I thought my positive turn would be next, but it turned out to be negative and I have a sad story to share...

If u see our time line, my husband had applied under 0213 on Dec2009 and everything was smooth till last Tuesday (31May) when our ecas changed to Decision Made. No processing date inside, same inprocess(RBVO) details with a last line saying ‘A decision has been made on ur case. The office will contact u concerning the decision'. We thought it might be the ongoing ecas error. But unfortunately, today we received rejection letter from Los Angeles VO dated May 26,2011 saying the following lines:

You have indicated that you have work experience in an occupation with the following NOC 0213-Computer & Information Systems Managers. Although the NOC code corresponds to the occupations specified in the Instructions, the main duties described in your employment letter from ------Company do not indicate that you performed the actions described in the lead statement for the occupation, as set out in the occupational descriptions of the NOC or that you performed all of the essential duties and a substantial number of the main duties, as set out in the occupational descriptions of the NOC. As such, I am not satisfied that you are a Computer and Information Systems Manager, NOC 0213.
Since you did not provide evidence that you have work experience in the listed occupations, you do not meet the requirements of the Ministerial Instructions and your application is not eligible for processing.

In fact, my husband had provided the original work exp letter with all the duties & responsibilities related to his exp as a Manager. Most of the duties & responsibilities in the original exp letter were same as the ones he had mentioned initially in the work experience column of the CIO-Sydney form .my question is, when the same points were considered eligible by the CIO-Sydney visa officer, what made the LA visa officer to reject when we had provided the original exp letter including the same points. Moreover, there were many constraints in obtaining the original exp letter.

Now he is planning to write a detailed re-consideration letter against the points of the Visa officer and he will be highlighting the CIO-Sydney point too. Also, I need valuable suggestions & prayers from all the forum friends to make this a positive turn.

Now, to whom should we address to? In some instances I have read ‘address to the Program Officer', who is the program officer? Is it the same visa officer or some higher officer?

Another important query...My husband has been writing research articles and has been published in online journals. Can this be mentioned in the re-consideration letter as this is purely technical in nature and they might not consider him to be a manager.

For all waiting here, stay positive and I wish good luck with your Canada immigration journey and whoever has got their maple leaf & those already landed in Canada, I wish u all a smooth & happy journey ahead.

All the Best
Regards
pearl2010

how about Federal Court?.......... no need to believe that VO is always right........ if you believe he has made a mistake .............fight for ur right ............. people have .....and....... they won!!!!!!!!!!

[omm]

sorry to heard this reply... you get respond from federal court? you appeal there as I know!!!

OMM