college grads...they can get Permanent rEsidence?????

[robertbola]

My brother just finished two years of college in Canada and he told me that he will get a work permit in two months....and he will be able to reside and work for three years. He also told me that after that he can apply for Permanent Residence....is CAnada really that easy....

thanks

[ja77]

your brother is right. going on a student visa is a nice route leading to permanent residency after a few years, but expensive at the same time.

[robertbola]

so it's true?

[candid]

Yes its true, he just has to live there 12 months while studying and then can apply for PR, but he must have a valid HRSDC approved job offer for the same..

[Leon]

If you take a 2 year course, you can get an up to 3 year post-grad work permit afterwards.  To qualify for PR under CEC, you need 2 years college and 1 year work, see http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/cec/index.asp  This class is also for people who are on temporary work permits for 2 or more years in skilled positions.

You may be able to do it faster under PNP.  Some PNP's have a graduate class for people who have graduated in the province and then you may not have to have worked for a year, you may be able to apply right after graduation with a job offer or after working 6 months.

You can also, if you have enough points to apply for FSW but your experiences are not in the list of 38 most wanted and you can not arrange employment, go to Canada as a student and apply for FSW after 12 months in Canada.

[robertbola]

So if my brother was to work as at lower end job such as a telephone teller or customer servise at a bank he would not be able to get a PR? ... It's has to be a somewhat up the latter job?

[Leon]

Yes, it has to be skilled work experience.  Working in a call centre is not considered skilled unless he's doing technical support or if he's a call centre supervisor. A bank teller or clerk is not skilled but a loan officer, clerk supervisor etc. is skilled.  Look at http://www5.hrsdc.gc.ca/NOC/English/NOC/2006/Welcome.aspx to look for job titles, descriptions and to find out if they are skilled.  You will see it from the 4 digit number.

If the first digit is 0 like 0122, it's a manager job and is skilled
If the first digit is not 0 but the 2nd digit is 1, 2 or 3 like 1111 or 1212 it's a skill level A or B type job and is skilled.

If the first digit is not 0 but the 2nd digit is 4, 5 or 6 like 1433, then it's a skill level C or D type job and is not considered skilled.

You could even have a skilled job by working in McDonalds and similar places.  Looking at http://www5.hrsdc.gc.ca/NOC/English/NOC/2006/QuickSearch.aspx?val65=fast+food you can see 0631 Restaurant manager is absolutely skilled, 6212 Shift manager is also skilled, 6641 food counter attendant, not skilled.   

[sheena21]

Hi Leon,

So does it means that if you are working in a call center as a customer service representative, there are no chances to qualify as a skilled worker even in Quebec?
Thank you.

[Tarry]

Yes, it has to be skilled work experience.  Working in a call centre is not considered skilled unless he's doing technical support or if he's a call centre supervisor. A bank teller or clerk is not skilled but a loan officer, clerk supervisor etc. is skilled.  Look at http://www5.hrsdc.gc.ca/NOC/English/NOC/2006/Welcome.aspx to look for job titles, descriptions and to find out if they are skilled.  You will see it from the 4 digit number.

If the first digit is 0 like 0122, it's a manager job and is skilled
If the first digit is not 0 but the 2nd digit is 1, 2 or 3 like 1111 or 1212 it's a skill level A or B type job and is skilled.

If the first digit is not 0 but the 2nd digit is 4, 5 or 6 like 1433, then it's a skill level C or D type job and is not considered skilled.

You could even have a skilled job by working in McDonalds and similar places.  Looking at http://www5.hrsdc.gc.ca/NOC/English/NOC/2006/QuickSearch.aspx?val65=fast+food you can see 0631 Restaurant manager is absolutely skilled, 6212 Shift manager is also skilled, 6641 food counter attendant, not skilled.  

Wow Leon. Good, simple and Straight forward unscrambling of the NOC codes. Never understood those numbers but now, they make sense. Thanks a bunch.

[Leon]

Hi Leon,

So does it means that if you are working in a call center as a customer service representative, there are no chances to qualify as a skilled worker even in Quebec?
Thank you.

If you are working under this NOC: http://www5.hrsdc.gc.ca/NOC/English/NOC/2006/QuickSearch.aspx?val65=1453 then you would not qualify to apply under CEC but you could still apply as a Quebec skilled worker or a Federal skilled worker if you meet the criteria.  Quebec have their own points system where you would have to do your self assessment to see if you qualify, see http://www.immigration-quebec.gouv.qc.ca/en/immigrate-settle/permanent-workers/epi.html

For Federal skilled worker, you have to have a minimum 1 year skilled work experience in the last 10 years, doesn't have to have been in Canada, you have to get 67 or more points on the self-assessment and fit one of 3 categories.  Category 3 is for people who have been studying or working in Canada for at least 12 months and the time in Canada does not have to be skilled work to qualify as long as you have at least a year of skilled work from before.  See http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/apply-who.asp

If you are working under this NOC: http://www5.hrsdc.gc.ca/NOC/English/NOC/2006/QuickSearch.aspx?val65=2282 which is technical support at a call centre, then it's considered skilled and you would  qualify to apply under CEC after working for 2 years.  However, if you are working in Quebec, you would have to state your intentions to not live in Quebec to apply for CEC.

[sheena21]

Hi Leon,

So does it means that if you are working in a call center as a customer service representative, there are no chances to qualify as a skilled worker even in Quebec?
Thank you.

If you are working under this NOC: http://www5.hrsdc.gc.ca/NOC/English/NOC/2006/QuickSearch.aspx?val65=1453 then you would not qualify to apply under CEC but you could still apply as a Quebec skilled worker or a Federal skilled worker if you meet the criteria.  Quebec have their own points system where you would have to do your self assessment to see if you qualify, see http://www.immigration-quebec.gouv.qc.ca/en/immigrate-settle/permanent-workers/epi.html

For Federal skilled worker, you have to have a minimum 1 year skilled work experience in the last 10 years, doesn't have to have been in Canada, you have to get 67 or more points on the self-assessment and fit one of 3 categories.  Category 3 is for people who have been studying or working in Canada for at least 12 months and the time in Canada does not have to be skilled work to qualify as long as you have at least a year of skilled work from before.  See http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/apply-who.asp

If you are working under this NOC: http://www5.hrsdc.gc.ca/NOC/English/NOC/2006/QuickSearch.aspx?val65=2282 which is technical support at a call centre, then it's considered skilled and you would  qualify to apply under CEC after working for 2 years.  However, if you are working in Quebec, you would have to state your intentions to not live in Quebec to apply for CEC.

Hi Leon,

Thank you so much for the information! Such a big help! =)
Have a good one buddy!