Chances to sponsor my Conjugal Partner, Entry to Canada?

[Erina]

Ok so I'm gonna explain my situation. I'm a Canadian Citizen, I live in Toronto for 8 years now. My partner holds an Iranian passport and does live in Iran. We are into this close relationship for a year now. And yes it's not just a routine boyfriend- girlfriend like relationship. We cannot get married, because under the Iranian marriage law, woman's father's permission is extremely required and you can't just get married without that permission. My father doesn't want us to get married for only God knows reasons!!! So now that we're prevented (legally) from getting married, can I sponsor him as a Conjugal Partner?? We do have required documents like photos, phone calls, emails, etc... Also we couldn't be able to live with each other in Iran, because again, as the Iranian law indicates: You can't live with opposite-sex without having legal marriage proof. And in Canada, you know it's almost impossible to bring him here as a visitor and live with him for a year!!! I have been in Iran last Christmas and also this past summer just to visit him. I know him for 5 years but our relationship just started last year... Anyone knows if there's any chance? Thankssssss
 
 

[Leon]

Yes, you have a chance to sponsor him as a conjugal partner as long as you can prove your relationship and show that you have combined your affairs as much as possible and it is not possible for you to live together or get married.

Is it possible for him to travel to some other country where you would be allowed to be married?  Then you could meet him there.

[Erina]

Yes he can travel to another country, but again we need my father's permission, so same process, which is not possible...

[PMM]

Hi

Yes he can travel to another country, but again we need my father's permission, so same process, which is not possible...

Unless you under 18/19 then you don't need your father's permission to marry in any country except Iran.

[Erina]

Hi

Unless you under 18/19 then you don't need your father's permission to marry in any country except Iran.

That's true, but no matter what country, if you marry Iranian way, you need father's permission. If let's say we go to Europe and marry like non- Iranians then our marriage is legal but it's not recognized in Iran. But anyways, do you think now I cannot sponsor him as Conjugal Partner? Like if we get married outside of Iran and then want to travel to Iran later on, our marriage won't be approved by the government... So isn't that enough evidence to show there's marriage barrier? Thanksss

[Leon]

That's true, but no matter what country, if you marry Iranian way, you need father's permission. If let's say we go to Europe and marry like non- Iranians then our marriage is legal but it's not recognized in Iran. But anyways, do you think now I cannot sponsor him as Conjugal Partner? Like if we get married outside of Iran and then want to travel to Iran later on, our marriage won't be approved by the government... So isn't that enough evidence to show there's marriage barrier? Thanksss

Why would you care if your marriage is recognized in Iran?  The important thing is that it would be recognized in Canada.  If you sponsor him as a conjugal partner without getting married, you will also not have a marriage that is valid in Iran.  Up to you though.  I think you have a pretty good case for conjugal.

[Erina]

Why would you care if your marriage is recognized in Iran?  The important thing is that it would be recognized in Canada.  If you sponsor him as a conjugal partner without getting married, you will also not have a marriage that is valid in Iran.  Up to you though.  I think you have a pretty good case for conjugal.

Leon,
I don't really care, I meant if I say these things to CIC would they still accept my case as Conjugal Partner or they'd refuse it because we could have travel to another country and get married, so like there has been no serious marriage barrier. I'd do anything to have him here ASAP, getting married or not doesn't make a difference to me. I can't just go somewhere else and marry him... due to some family things... So basically you're saying I've got high chance, right?

[PMM]

Hi

Leon,
I don't really care, I meant if I say these things to CIC would they still accept my case as Conjugal Partner or they'd refuse it because we could have travel to another country and get married, so like there has been no serious marriage barrier. I'd do anything to have him here ASAP, getting married or not doesn't make a difference to me. I can't just go somewhere else and marry him... due to some family things... So basically you're saying I've got high chance, right?

Unlikely that they would approve conjugal, since the only barrier to marriage is your father's permission, which you don't need in any country other than Iran.

[Leon]

I think you have a good case for conjugal as long as you have combined your affairs as much as possible, you send each other money, you have named each other as heirs in your will, you have joint bank accounts and insurance policies etc.  As a formality, he should also try to apply for a visit visa with the intention of going to Canada to marry you.  If he is refused, you have an immigration barrier as I assume that you can not safely go to Iran and live with him without being married.

Conjugal is usually hard to get accepted but same sex couples for example have not been expected to travel to a country where they are allowed to marry in order to qualify.  I do not know if they would expect that of you but it would be better.  You can read here: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/sponsor/spouse-apply-who.asp#conjugal about who can apply under conjugal. 

Why can't you just go somewhere and marry him?  You are an adult.  What is preventing you?  You do not have to tell your parents what you are planning to do.

[Erina]

Why can't you just go somewhere and marry him?  You are an adult.  What is preventing you?  You do not have to tell your parents what you are planning to do.



Yeah I might do that... thanks for the info
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[Erina]

Hi

Unlikely that they would approve conjugal, since the only barrier to marriage is your father's permission, which you don't need in any country other than Iran.

Dear PMM,

As Leon mentioned, they don't expect same- sex couples (who cannot legally marry in their own country) to travel anywhere where they could get married.  So you're assuming they would expect us to do so, and thus they'd refuse the application?

[canadianwoman]

It is difficult to guess what any particular visa officer will do. Very similar relationships are viewed differently by different visa officers: some get accepted and some don't. They probably would not expect a couple to go to another country to get married, just because they could do so. However, some visa officers might expect this. It also depends on the situation: same-sex couples are in more danger in some countries than heterosexual couples, so that will be taken into account.

For conjugal, you need to have been in a conjugal relationship for at least a year. A conjugal relationship is much more than just a boyfriend/girlfriend relationship: you will need to show that your lives are interdependent as much as possible, including financially. This can be hard to prove, but if you have enough evidence, you would likely be successful.

If you went to another country and got married, you would have an easier time with immigration. You would still have to prove the relationship is genuine, but some of the things you would have to prove under conjugal would not be necessary. You would not have to prove that your lives have been interdependent as much as possible for a year, for example.

[Erina]

It is difficult to guess what any particular visa officer will do. Very similar relationships are viewed differently by different visa officers: some get accepted and some don't. They probably would not expect a couple to go to another country to get married, just because they could do so. However, some visa officers might expect this. It also depends on the situation: same-sex couples are in more danger in some countries than heterosexual couples, so that will be taken into account.

For conjugal, you need to have been in a conjugal relationship for at least a year. A conjugal relationship is much more than just a boyfriend/girlfriend relationship: you will need to show that your lives are interdependent as much as possible, including financially. This can be hard to prove, but if you have enough evidence, you would likely be successful.

If you went to another country and got married, you would have an easier time with immigration. You would still have to prove the relationship is genuine, but some of the things you would have to prove under conjugal would not be necessary. You would not have to prove that your lives have been interdependent as much as possible for a year, for example.

Thank you so much for the info. Yes I'm aware of that. Our relationship is not just of a typical boyfriend/ girlfriend one. I have provided as much as proof I could. From joint bank account to money transfer, visit tickets, travels, photos, phone calls, e-mails, etc.... I actually got approved for the first step, sponsorship. Now my file is in Ankara since early June. I'm just too worried that they refuse the application  ....