olgasc
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« on: January 22, 2006, 01:47:25 am » |
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A friend of mine is applying for immigration process for a provincial immigration (Manitoba). My question is can he arrive in Toronto instead of Winnipeg and at the time of getting a citizenship (after 3 years of being in Canada), will he have any problems?
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« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2006, 09:59:10 pm » |
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olgasc
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« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2006, 08:04:06 am » |
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Manitoba is one of the Canadian provinces
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« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2006, 08:16:40 pm » |
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:) He will be told by what port of entry he will disembark but it would be illogical to have him do so in Toronto instead of Winnepeg.
:?: Why would he have any problems once he is accepted to come? If he applied and is accepted as a PR..he can get his citizenship if he passes the test he will be recognized as a new Canadian.
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I'm First Nation North American Indian & immigration has always been an interest to me. I believe we do need immigrants to keep Canada strong.
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« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2006, 08:41:26 pm » |
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Hi :) He will be told by what port of entry he will disembark but it would be illogical to have him do so in Toronto instead of Winnepeg.
:?: Why would he have any problems once he is accepted to come? If he applied and is accepted as a PR..he can get his citizenship if he passes the test he will be recognized as a new Canadian. Suggest you read the PNP requirements where if you are accepted as PNP you sign a statement that you will basically reside and make a reasonable attempt to find employment in the province that accepted you. If he was accepted by Manitoba PNP and did not attempt to fulfil PNP or even go to Manitoba, then he will have problems with CIC. |
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« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2006, 08:41:50 pm » |
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Hi :) He will be told by what port of entry he will disembark but it would be illogical to have him do so in Toronto instead of Winnepeg.
:?: Why would he have any problems once he is accepted to come? If he applied and is accepted as a PR..he can get his citizenship if he passes the test he will be recognized as a new Canadian. Suggest you read the PNP requirements where if you are accepted as PNP you sign a statement that you will basically reside and make a reasonable attempt to find employment in the province that accepted you. If he was accepted by Manitoba PNP and did not attempt to fulfil PNP or even go to Manitoba, then he will have problems with CIC. |
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« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2006, 10:36:55 pm » |
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:) Thank you. That I know, but he didn't specify what problems he may have. I am sure that anyone who comes here with the dream to reside permenantly will take any kind of job until they get the one they want to fullful the agreement. Anyone would be a fool not to. To have went all throught the process, the wait, the anxity etc not counting the financial envolvement and not look for work. Don't you think?
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I'm First Nation North American Indian & immigration has always been an interest to me. I believe we do need immigrants to keep Canada strong.
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olgasc
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« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2006, 12:17:00 pm » |
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I have 2 friends who came directly to Toronto instead of Winnipeg. They don't recall signing anything stating that they had to reside in Manitoba...
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« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2006, 02:28:01 pm » |
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Hi I have 2 friends who came directly to Toronto instead of Winnipeg. They don't recall signing anything stating that they had to reside in Manitoba... But were they processed under Manitoba PNP? If so they signed that statement. PMM |
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« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2006, 06:56:23 am » |
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Olgasc, this post of yours seems to be getting confusing and off track.
If your friend has applied under PNP, he MUST go to Manitoba and MUST look for work there. He cannot land in Toronto and never go to Manitoba at all. That is not negotiable or avoidable.
That someone else has done something and says they don't recall signing anything is irrelevant. The PNP process is quite clear cut.
It sounds to me like what you are really saying is that your friend has applied for PNP in Manitoba but does not WANT to abide by the agreement. He prefers to go to Toronto. The fact is if he does so he will be breaking the agreement and may find himself being deported at some point. What he WANTS is irrelevant. What he has agreed to is what matters and trying to find ways around it will not change the facts.
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olgasc
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« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2006, 08:47:41 am » |
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Ok, thanks.
Can anybody point out to the agreement that he has to sign? I want to see it by myself, please.
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« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2006, 09:44:32 am » |
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I think that there is some miscommunication here...
olgasc,
Are you sure your frineds applied through provincial immigration and not simply indicated on their Federal application that they are planning to go to Winnipeg?
If they indicated Winnipeg as the place where they plan to live after completing process through Federal program, it really does not matter where they go after they land.
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olgasc
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« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2006, 01:31:58 pm » |
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No,
My friends applied as a skilled worker class to Manitoba itself (provincial immigration). They arrived in Toronto and did not have any problems receiving their PR status, SIN, health cards, etc.
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« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2006, 05:17:58 am » |
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If they applied under PNP they MUST go to that province. They would have no problem landing in Toronto. You can land anywhere but then the assumption is that you will make your way via road, rail, air to the province that you have agreed to go to.
It doesn't matter if you try to say it was an honest misunderstanding. Legally you have not kept to your side of the agreement. CIC will take a very dim view of this. It is quite possible and in fact highly likely I believe that if the person were then to apply for citizenship after 3 years, that this would come out. They would be refused citizenship and might well be kicked out of the country.
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olgasc
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« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2006, 08:32:03 pm » |
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What do you think of that???
Once you enter Canada as a Permanent Resident, you will be able to live anywhere you wish inside of Canada's borders regardless of the initial settlement response you submitted through your application for Permanent Residency. As a Canadian Permanent Resident, you are guaranteed a basic right of "mobility" under Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedoms States clearly in Section 6.2 that:
Every citizen of Canada and every person who has the status of a Permanent Resident of Canada has the right
a) to move to and take up residence in any province; and
b) to pursue the gaining of a livelihood in any province.
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« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2006, 09:50:11 am » |
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Look olgasc, what you are doing is looking for a different answer simply because you do not like the answer. Regardless of how you ask the question or look for loopholes that will change the answer, the answer remains the same.
Under PNP, you sign an undertaking to go to that province and look for work. What you are quoting now, simply says that having FULFILLED that obligation, you are not bound to remain in the province forever.
If your 'friend' cannot show that he went to Manitoba, made a reasonable attempt to find work (ie. signed up in the local Job Centre, can show he went for interviews, etc.), then he his violated the agreement.
It is simple. You just don't like it. Move on.
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olgasc
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« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2006, 10:44:55 am » |
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No, I'm not just looking for another answer that I do like. I'm trying to find the truth here.
I don't know where your knowledge in the topic is coming from, but I asked before and I'm asking again, give me a link to the undertaking that these people have to sign. I want to read it.
Again, my friends who had already done that, did not sign ANY undertaiking requiring them to arrive in Manitoba. The lawyer of my friend told him that there was no problem in arriving to a different place. So, I'm trying to find out whether they are right.
I don't want my friends to make a mistake that will cause them citizenship.
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« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2006, 05:09:29 pm » |
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Sigh, OK olgasc, one more time. There is a normal skilled worker application and there is PNP. They are not one and the same. So using simple logic, what do you think the differences are? What would be the point of having PNP if there was no difference from a normal skilled worker application? There is no problem in ARRIVING in a different place. It is what you do after you arrive that matters. I am not about to dig through all the material to find exactly where it says what. You can do that yourself. Go to http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/skilled/provnom/and start reading. |
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« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2006, 06:02:43 pm » |
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Hi What do you think of that???
Once you enter Canada as a Permanent Resident, you will be able to live anywhere you wish inside of Canada's borders regardless of the initial settlement response you submitted through your application for Permanent Residency. As a Canadian Permanent Resident, you are guaranteed a basic right of "mobility" under Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedoms States clearly in Section 6.2 that:
Every citizen of Canada and every person who has the status of a Permanent Resident of Canada has the right
a) to move to and take up residence in any province; and
b) to pursue the gaining of a livelihood in any province. They may have the "right" of mobility, but once you sign a contract, (PNP) restricting that mobility, CIC is within their right of taking action. Also the Quebec Immigration trumps those rights. |
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olgasc
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« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2006, 09:11:02 pm » |
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I went over all the forms... http://www.gov.mb.ca/labour/immigrate/immigration/2_14.htmlHOWEVER, I could not find any undertaking form or similar... Please, help me out here, I want to see and read it. From what I see, you are all talking about your personal opinion. I'm not saying that your opinion is wrong, I want to see some facts, please. |
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olgasc
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« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2006, 08:16:04 am » |
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That does not answer my question: "the officer has reason to believe that the applicant does not intend to live in the province that has nominated them".
So what??? How would the officer know??? That is happening BEFORE getting a PR status. Once a person has a PR status, s/he is free to be wherever s/he wants.
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« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2006, 06:08:38 pm » |
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Oh come on olgasc. How many ways do you need it spelled out to you.
What would be the point of a PNP if it made no difference once you arrived? That makes absolutely no sense.
As said earlier, you don't like the answer and so you keep looking for an out. It isn't there. Under PNP you must go to the province who nominated you and look for work. If you don't, you have broken the agreement under which you were given PR status. End of story.
I intend to write no more on this one. If you don't believe what you have been told here, talk to an Immigration consultant and ask the question. Maybe if you have to pay someone for the answer you will believe it.
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olgasc
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« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2006, 09:04:17 pm » |
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Don't write anymore, that's fine. And as I told you before, the personal opinion is not always the right one. I wanted facts and I did not get any. And my "friend" asked a lawyer and was told that he could arrive anywhere. So, you claims do not have a solid ground...
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« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2007, 11:31:53 pm » |
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Don't write anymore, that's fine. And as I told you before, the personal opinion is not always the right one. I wanted facts and I did not get any. And my "friend" asked a lawyer and was told that he could arrive anywhere. So, you claims do not have a solid ground...
Just incase someone believes it's cool to lie when applying for MPNP http://www.gov.mb.ca/labour/immigrate/immigration/2_10.htmlc) Misrepresentation and the Withdrawal of Your Certificate When you apply as a Manitoba Provincial Nominee you are making a legal declaration of your intent to live and work in Manitoba. Applicants who provide false declarations, documentation, or misleading information as part of their applications may be subject to enforcement action by Citizenship and Immigration Canada before AND after a permanent resident visa is issued. MPNP reserves the right to withdraw any Certificate of Nomination at any time on the basis of information indicating that an applicant has provided false or misleading information or no longer meets the criteria under which he or she was nominated. Notice the before AND After a PR is issued. Part of the process will be getting a sin number and if it's not being issued in Manitoba what do you think they will consider has happened. |
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