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« Reply #60585 on: April 18, 2012, 04:32:38 pm »

Hi Cam,

Thanks for posting this news.

I think Minister Kenney has now actually gone insane.

This reads to me that

a) They can prioritize any occupation in whichever order they like, at any time, regardless of when the application was received. So "ooh we need doctors this month, all these guys who only just applied get their visas right away, screw the guys who applied 8 months ago and are still waiting".

b) They can change the rules whenever they want and then retrospectively fail thousands of applications, some received as recently as a few months ago, which do not comply to the new rules, even though they were completely eligible at the time they applied and may have spent a lot of time and money on their applications.

This is now going beyond unfair and is not venturing into the realms of breaching human rights Sad

I sincerely hope all the genuine applicants on here get their visas before this madman Kenney starts failing them for no fault of your own.

Wayne.

Here's a second opinion: Jason Kennedy's diagnosis of Insanity is hereby confirmed  Wink

I also think this is something every applicants should be worried about. Considering what is about to happen to the 'Pre-Juners', I don't think we should take this with levity. It looks like JK is playing to only one thing, his own political agenda. It doesn't matter how many immigrant prospective immigrants are scr&%ed in the process.

Somebody's got to stop this dude and fast Sad

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« Reply #60586 on: April 18, 2012, 04:38:38 pm »

Hmm so people are saying that the 2nd part simply means that the prioritization of NOCs will apply to existing applicants as well as new ones?

If that's the case, they won't actually retrospectively fail applications which don't conform to the new rules.

But having already canned 280,000 honest applications, I wouldn't put anything past them tbh.

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« Reply #60587 on: April 18, 2012, 04:41:15 pm »

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A similar change would allow new regulations, once approved, to apply retrospectively to people who have already submitted an application. These changes would help ensure that immigrants are chosen based on Canada's current needs and priorities.

That can really have several meanings IMO.

But one meaning is certainly "when we make new regulations, we can apply them retrospectively to existing applications", meaning "we can fail existing applications whenever we change the rules, even if they were eligible at the time they applied".

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« Reply #60588 on: April 18, 2012, 05:39:28 pm »

Hi Cam,

Thanks for posting this news.

I think Minister Kenney has now actually gone insane.

This reads to me that

a) They can prioritize any occupation in whichever order they like, at any time, regardless of when the application was received. So "ooh we need doctors this month, all these guys who only just applied get their visas right away, screw the guys who applied 8 months ago and are still waiting".

b) They can change the rules whenever they want and then retrospectively fail thousands of applications, some received as recently as a few months ago, which do not comply to the new rules, even though they were completely eligible at the time they applied and may have spent a lot of time and money on their applications.

This is now going beyond unfair and is not venturing into the realms of breaching human rights Sad

I sincerely hope all the genuine applicants on here get their visas before this madman Kenney starts failing them for no fault of your own.

Wayne.
Spot on Wayne, this is a really disturbing development....
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« Reply #60589 on: April 18, 2012, 05:56:50 pm »

Hi Wayne:

On the one hand I am glad you came by with your analysis; it is what I have been trying to tell people all day.

On the other hand, it seriously breaks my heart that so many applicants, including myself, will be denied a visa because they intend to change the rules. Changing the rules of any game once it has started is a hit below the belt.

Breaching human rights is what I said to my wife this morning. Many of us are escaping terrible conditions in other countries to come to Canada, where we believe they are just, that they will treat us as equals, and that their moral values are above the rest. Unfortunately what we have witnessed is complete disregard for us applicants as human beings. These new regulations just show we are going to be treated like cattle, "move aside you, today we need this and that only." These actions unfortunately show that Canada never intended to help others in the world, but only to help itself at whatever cost to the helpless immigrant.

I have lost the reasons that brought me to file my application, and I will be on my way...
Cam

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« Reply #60590 on: April 18, 2012, 05:58:28 pm »

I can only say that if Kenney is following Australian immigration then nothing will happen to the applications. In case he is into playing a different game then god save the applicants in pipeline.

I am sure on my part that it will turn out to be the first case.
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« Reply #60591 on: April 18, 2012, 06:00:17 pm »

Happy Birthday ROD.Wish all your dreams come true. Grin Grin Grin
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« Reply #60592 on: April 18, 2012, 06:04:45 pm »

It is true. Indeed it is happening. And I certainly hope someoene at the government hears the affected people and makes them have some sense

Thanks for the wishes Grin

Rod

Rod:

I am sorry for all this debate, but we cannot put our heads in the sand and pretend it is not happening. I will not be surprised if there is a class action lawsuit by applicants against CIC.

But the good news is, you are over the hump, your application has gone through processing and you will shortly receive your MR. These new regulations will not affect you.. so:

 Smiley Cheesy Grin Cool HAPPY BIRTHDAY ROD Cool Grin Cheesy Smiley
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« Reply #60593 on: April 18, 2012, 06:05:21 pm »

Thanks! Grin

Happy Birthday ROD.Wish all your dreams come true. Grin Grin Grin
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« Reply #60594 on: April 18, 2012, 07:35:16 pm »

I do'nt know why we are avoiding to discuss what  is Cam 1234's view  about Minister Kenny's news letter.
This is point blank that new regulations once approved will apply on all the applicants regardless of new or old.
I think we all should prepare ourself for new regulations ... No point in speculating the things according to our
benefits. Thanks.


uote author=Cam1234 link=topic=49421.msg1409073#msg1409073 date=1334789953]
Rod:

I am sorry for all this debate, but we cannot put our heads in the sand and pretend it is not happening. I will not be surprised if there is a class action lawsuit by applicants against CIC.

But the good news is, you are over the hump, your application has gone through processing and you will shortly receive your MR. These new regulations will not affect you.. so:

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Cam
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« Reply #60595 on: April 18, 2012, 08:18:49 pm »

Rod:

I am sorry for all this debate, but we cannot put our heads in the sand and pretend it is not happening. I will not be surprised if there is a class action lawsuit by applicants against CIC.

But the good news is, you are over the hump, your application has gone through processing and you will shortly receive your MR. These new regulations will not affect you.. so:

 Smiley Cheesy Grin Cool HAPPY BIRTHDAY ROD Cool Grin Cheesy Smiley
Cam
I for one am worried as I would be in the 'older applicant' bracket. I would not like to see the Canadians moving towards the Aussie style.
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« Reply #60596 on: April 19, 2012, 04:33:48 am »

Hmm so people are saying that the 2nd part simply means that the prioritization of NOCs will apply to existing applicants as well as new ones?

If that's the case, they won't actually retrospectively fail applications which don't conform to the new rules.

But having already canned 280,000 honest applications, I wouldn't put anything past them tbh.

Wayne.

Hi Wayne,

Do you think the proposed changes would affect the post June 2010 applicants who have already received their medical requests? Please explain

Many tx
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« Reply #60597 on: April 19, 2012, 05:59:31 am »

Still on the proposed change to the FSW programme, I found the article below interesting. The author raises some very valid points  IMO. His arguements are also backed up by published studies, that fundamentally challenge the assumptions (myths if you like) driving Jason Kennedy's controversial change.

May be there is something JK is not telling us.


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Is the federal immigration system a failure?

The Harper government seems to think so, but the stats tell a different story
by Richard Warnica and John Geddes on Wednesday, April 18, 2012 10:44am


Citizenship and Immigration Minister Jason Kenney sees deep flaws in Canada's immigration system. For too long, he argues, the system has been drawing ambitious newcomers who arrive here ready to work only to find their qualifications aren't recognized, their experience isn't valued, or their skills aren't in demand. “We've got to stop this practice,” he said in a major speech in Toronto last month, “of inviting highly trained people to come to Canada if they don't have jobs or they're not likely to succeed in the labour market.”

As one of the most visible federal ministers, Kenney has made sure his critique of the system he runs is widely heard and broadly accepted. In particular, companies echo his complaints about Canada bringing in 250,000 newcomers a year, and still failing to provide the workers they need to fill gaps, particularly in the fast-growing West. But as Kenney continues his withering attack, it's worth asking: Is the federal program really the unmitigated disaster he suggests? Not by international standards, where Canada is rated highly for its successful integration of immigrants into the economy, or even by some of the yardsticks Kenney has been using to argue Canada's existing immigration system needs to be completely overhauled.

Some of the clearest evidence showing the program's success comes from Kenney's own department. For instance, Kenney points to the so-called provincial nomination program—through which provinces bring in immigrants chosen to fill job vacancies—as the model for reform. But according to figures provided to Maclean's by Citizenship and Immigration Canada, any edge enjoyed by the provincial programs is small and short-term. The average yearly earnings for provincial nominees range from $35,200 to $45,100. That's only better at the high end than the $36,400 to $42,700 average range for the earnings of immigrants who entered Canada through the federal skilled workers doorway. And by the fifth year after arrival, according to Citizenship and Immigration Canada data, the federal skilled workers' incomes outpace provincial nominees by, on average, $2,000 to $7,000 a year.

Still, it's beyond dispute that new immigrants are taking longer to get established than they did in previous eras. As recently as the 1970s, they earned about the same as Canadian-born workers. But nearly every group of newcomers since has been worse off. By the 1990s, recent male immigrants earned half as much as Canadian-born males the same age. By 2000, more than a third of them were classified as officially “low income.”

So Canadian immigrants haven't been thriving, at least not in the very short term, and Kenney aims to change that. Under proposals he's floated in increasing detail in recent months, he's signalled that he intends to overhaul the programs that make up Canada's traditional points system for selecting immigrants. The goal is to give employers more of the kinds of workers they need right now and to bring in immigrants who are likely to have their qualifications recognized and be able to work in their own fields right away.

Employers will be given more say in selecting immigrants—possibly through a global “job bank.” Newcomers who speak one of Canada's two official languages will be given higher priority, and professional qualifications will be assessed before applicants are accepted, rather than after they've arrived in Canada.

Still, putting the focus on an applicant's short-term prospects ignores longer-term considerations. While many immigrants have struggled in their early years as Canadians, their kids have thrived. Even as income levels for first-generation immigrants have fallen over the last 30 years, education levels for their children have remained well above the Canadian average. That's true even for families in which the parents weren't university educated.

Dr. Andrew Brown's father, for instance, immigrated from Jamaica in the late 1970s. His mother followed a few years later. The elder Brown initially struggled in menial jobs. Even after he established himself at Canada Post, both parents had to work to keep the family afloat. After school many days, Brown would microwave hot dogs to have something to eat before his parents got home at 7 p.m. or later.

His parents were never well off. Neither went to university. Statistically speaking you might count them as failures, in an immigration sense. But Brown did go to university, then to medical school. Today he's a resident in medical imaging at the University of Toronto where he's studying the next generation of non-invasive cancer research.

That's not an unusual story. Second-generation Canadians tend to perform better in school, are more likely to earn university degrees and often earn more than children of Canadian-born parents, even if their parents earn low incomes. By moving so fast to overhaul the system, some experts worry the government could put those patterns of next-generation achievement at risk.

Putting more emphasis on English and French proficiency could mean taking in fewer immigrants from areas that tend to show solid multi-generational success. More than 62 per cent of second-generation immigrants with parents born in China have a university degree, for example, compared to just 24 per cent of those with Canadian-born parents. But Chinese immigrants as a whole haven't typically had the best English or French language skills.

Kenney is aware that second-generation immigrants and what are known as 1.5-generation immigrants—those who came to Canada as children—do well. But he says that isn't playing a significant role as he retools the system. “We can't select people on the basis of how their children or grandchildren might succeed,” he says. “Although, and here's the point, by selecting people who are more likely to succeed quickly in Canada's economy, I think we're ensuring that their children and grandchildren will do even better.”

He also says changing the language requirements in a way that might cut the number of immigrants from Asia isn't a worry. The children of immigrants, no matter where they're from, are typically going to succeed, he says. “They grow up in aspirational families. They grow up in families that take nothing for granted. They grow up in families that put a huge value on education and quite frankly are pretty forceful and disciplined about making sure their kids do well in school.”

Kenney stresses that employers—not bureaucrats—know best what kinds of workers they need. But giving employers a huge say in the system doesn't always guarantee success, says Arthur Sweetman, a professor and Ontario Research Chair in health human resources at McMaster University. Companies' needs, he points out, can change quickly. Before the tech sector busted in the early years of the last decade, there was a huge push to bring immigrants with computer skills into the country. After the crash, many of them ended up unemployed. “Canada wants citizens, employers want employees,” Sweetman says. “Employees are for the short term; citizens are forever.”

Above almost any other factor, Kenney touts the advantage of an immigrant having a Canadian job waiting before landing here. There's no disputing that is a key factor. More than half of provincially nominated immigrants arrive with a pre-arranged job offer. Since 2005, their average earnings have reached or surpassed Canadian averages within one year of arrival. And since they are chosen specifically to fill the immediate needs of companies, there's pressure from those employers to expand the program. Across all provinces, it has ballooned from 6,000 immigrants in 2004 to a planned 42,000 this year. And the growing provincial stream has funnelled immigration away from the old dominant cities of Montreal, Toronto and Vancouver. Provincial plans have tripled immigration to the Prairies and doubled Atlantic Canada's intake of newcomers.

On the other hand, only about 14 per cent of immigrants admitted as federal skilled workers have a job waiting for them in Canada. Even so, they do remarkably well—making on average $72,700 in the year after landing, and seeing their salaries rise to $79,200 within three years. Those who don't quickly enter the workforce have a harder time getting established—but so do native-born Canadians. Research by David Green of the University of British Columbia and Christopher Worswick of Carleton University has found that about half of the decline in earnings for new immigrants, compared to those who arrived in the 1970s and earlier, stems from the same tougher economic conditions faced by native-born Canadians entering the workforce.

So is the existing federal skilled workers program that Kenney is setting out to reform all that bad? It seems to outperform the provincial alternative after five years. While immigrants overall aren't succeeding as rapidly as in the past, neither are young native-born workers. And new Canadians fare well by global standards, too. When the Paris-based Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development probed the job markets for immigrants in its member countries in 2007, Canada was found to come the closest to equal employment rates between Canadian-born and foreign-born workers.

None of this is to say Kenney is wrong to bemoan the “regrettable decline in the economic results for newcomers to Canada.” The 21st-century uphill climb facing immigrants is indisputable. But as he lays the groundwork for a policy overhaul, Canada's highest-profile immigration minister in memory seems fixated on the weaknesses of the system he inherited, and under-emphasizing its continued strengths.

Source: http://www2.macleans.ca/2012/04/18/a-skill-question/
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« Reply #60598 on: April 19, 2012, 11:04:31 am »

Done... I replied

Rod:

Can you please check your inbox

Thanks,
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« Reply #60599 on: April 19, 2012, 01:03:07 pm »

Still on the proposed change to the FSW programme, I found the article below interesting. The author raises some very valid points  IMO. His arguements are also backed up by published studies, that fundamentally challenge the assumptions (myths if you like) driving Jason Kennedy's controversial change.

May be there is something JK is not telling us.


Source: http://www2.macleans.ca/2012/04/18/a-skill-question/
This situation has been long in the making.

The Harper government is more interested in European immigrants than any other.

He made a clear assertion to this during the last St Patricks day. He said on TV that the Irish were the type of immigrants they want in Canada.

For some time now, the VOs have been processing more temporary immigrant work visas for Europeans than any other. There is discomfort in some sections of Canadian society because of the changing hue of the country.

Lets just hope for the best.
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