Applications after 26/6 in any NOC CONNECT HERE TO GET THE STATUS

[canadestin]

if someone  submit fradulent documents then we can call that person fradulent.....bkbnr has proved his finance n he got it... now he borrowed or someone helped him or he got it from ancestoral property or watever....it doesnt matter

wat matters most is his intention...whether he will try to find job  or depend upon social welfare in canada .

some people even after having money...they go n depend upon social welfare....

and i hope people who talk abt genuine things wont take any social welfare from canadian govt....whether its for them or for their children education. 

[canadestin]

and CIC doesnt ask for 6-12 months bank statement because they really dont care from where the applicant got the money from as long as he carry the amount to canada...

they ask for this kind of documents for business immigration category...where they wanna see whether the applicant genuinely earned money from his/her business.

[carolwayne74]

I fail to understand why Wayne's point is a sore point and not hitting home about dishonesty and fraudulent practice.

A good example that may resonate would be; a potential employer in Canada promising a job with so many standard benefits and allowances and he turns out to be fraudulent  because after you have put in a month's hard work he says he was just using your skills to meet his labour needs but can't really pay as he has no funds.

Firstly, you'd take him to court for breaking the terms of a contract and sue him for unpaid wages.

Same logic applies here to funds and every other requirement requested to qualify one for PR processing. Why do you think background checks are carried out and in some cases additional documents and interviews requested. Its for quality checks etc.

Anyway, there would always be people who justify their wrongdoings by referencing poverty and circumstantial reasons!

[Baloo]

and CIC doesnt ask for 6-12 months bank statement because they really dont care from where the applicant got the money from as long as he carry the amount to canada...

they ask for this kind of documents for business immigration category...where they wanna see whether the applicant genuinely earned money from his/her business.

From the CIC website:

"The Government of Canada does not provide financial support to new skilled worker immigrants.

You must show that you have enough money to support yourself and your dependants after you arrive in Canada. You cannot borrow this money from another person. You must be able to use this money to support the costs of living for your family."

Clearly they do care that the applicant must have the funds, NOT borrowed funds.

[Baloo]

if someone  submit fradulent documents then we can call that person fradulent.....bkbnr has proved his finance n he got it... now he borrowed or someone helped him or he got it from ancestoral property or watever....it doesnt matter

wat matters most is his intention...whether he will try to find job  or depend upon social welfare in canada .

some people even after having money...they go n depend upon social welfare....

and i hope people who talk abt genuine things wont take any social welfare from canadian govt....whether its for them or for their children education. 

See my previous post, which includes:

"You cannot borrow this money from another person."

[Cappuccino]

if someone  submit fradulent documents then we can call that person fradulent.....bkbnr has proved his finance n he got it... now he borrowed or someone helped him or he got it from ancestoral property or watever....it doernt matter

wat matters most is his intention...whether he will try to find job  or depend upon social welfare in canada .

some people even after having money...they go n depend upon social welfare....

and i hope people who talk abt genuine things wont take any social welfare from canadian govt....whether its for them or for their children education. 

Yes it most certainly does matter. bkcnbr did not prove HIS finance. He showed borrowed funds (not his) and then lied to the Canadian government declaring those as his own, unencumbered funds.

So bkcnbr is just as fraudulent as anyone who submits false work experience letters or false education documents to lie and cheat their way to a visa. He has committed a criminal offence against Canada, and that's before he's even landed!

I realise other people do it as well, but it doesn't make it right or legal.

Wayne.

[canadestin]

From the CIC website:

"The Government of Canada does not provide financial support to new skilled worker immigrants.

You must show that you have enough money to support yourself and your dependants after you arrive in Canada. You cannot borrow this money from another person. You must be able to use this money to support the costs of living for your family."

Clearly they do care that the applicant must have the funds, NOT borrowed funds.

exactly...they dont want applicant to say that he/she borrowed the money...and thats wat bknr did...he proved that he has the money....now from where he got ..CIC is not interesed.

In other categories like Visit/Busines/Investor.....CIC ask to submmit the proof from where he got the money...they ask for 6-12months bank staement.

Now think why dont theyapply same to skilled immigration?/

Anyway CIC is not bothered...Y should We?

[Baloo]

exactly...they dont want applicant to say that he/she borrowed the money...and thats wat bknr did...he proved that he has the money....now from where he got ..CIC is not interesed.

In other categories like Visit/Busines/Investor.....CIC ask to submmit the proof from where he got the money...they ask for 6-12months bank staement.

Now think why dont theyapply same to skilled immigration?/

Anyway CIC is not bothered...Y should We?

They do apply this to "skilled immigration" and they are bothered about where the funds are from.

Skilled workers and professionals: Who can apply—Proof of funds

The Government of Canada does not provide financial support to new skilled worker immigrants.

You must show that you have enough money to support yourself and your dependants after you arrive in Canada. You cannot borrow this money from another person. You must be able to use this money to support the costs of living for your family.

You will need to provide proof of your funds to the Canadian visa office in your home country when you submit your application for immigration.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/funds.asp

CIC state the you cannot borrow funds, if he did, then he misrepresented, please read the CIC documentation, it is very clear.
CIC categorically state that you cannot borrow the funds.

It is not just about "saying it", it is what you actually do. 
Follow the rules, it is easy.

[carolwayne74]

exactly...they dont want applicant to say that he/she borrowed the money...and thats wat bknr did...he proved that he has the money....now from where he got ..CIC is not interesed.

In other categories like Visit/Busines/Investor.....CIC ask to submmit the proof from where he got the money...they ask for 6-12months bank staement.

Now think why dont theyapply same to skilled immigration?/

Anyway CIC is not bothered...Y should We?

Please read the information again it says,  applicant cannot borrow the funds.  It does not say applicants are allowed to borrow  money and declare it as his/her unencumbered funds. The whole meaning of unencumbered is that it does not have  dependencies and ties to it, including abutnot limited to debt/loan.

[pradeepkumar_v]

Hi Fellas,

I completed my medicals yesterday and I just back to my desk.

I have a question regarding RPRF to Bufffalo, do any one know who should we get the money order to ?.

Payable to "Consulate General of Canada" or "Receiver general of canada". Please let me know. I am confused.

Wayne/ Seniors thought please!.

Thanks,

Pradeep

[engy]

Congrats Engy
I think you should not send Passports without request, when they are ready to issue the visa they will ask to submit passports
If you send without request and it took a long time what you will do?? and how will your husband leave for his work?
I think  you can Email them as soon as possible and confirm before sending the RPRF within the time limit given by them
Good luck
Architect_100

Thank you dear friend
I will submit our fees and passports as soon as I get my husband's passport from Kuwiat tomorrow.
good luck to you too
Engy

[Cappuccino]

exactly...they dont want applicant to say that he/she borrowed the money...and thats wat bknr did...he proved that he has the money....now from where he got ..CIC is not interesed.

In other categories like Visit/Busines/Investor.....CIC ask to submmit the proof from where he got the money...they ask for 6-12months bank staement.

Now think why dont theyapply same to skilled immigration?/

Anyway CIC is not bothered...Y should We?

CIC mostly certainly ARE interested where an applicant gets their money from, this is why they explicitly say "You cannot borrow this money". This is why they ask for bank statements at visa office stage. This is why they specifically ask for you to list UNENCUMBERED funds on the forms.

The fact remains they cannot possibly police the thousands of applications they receive each year. I think they do spotchecks asking applicants for 12 months bank statements to examine the history of the funding - and unfortunately bkcnbr got away with it and was not asked for statemtns.

I cannot believe I am even reading this, nor how corrupt this forum is getting

Wayne.

[canadestin]

Let me be clear...first of all Proof of Funds doen't apply to me aS i applied in FSW2 category.

What i din't like is the word "Fraudelent"

bknr has borrowed money and proved tht he has finance to support himself.

may be tommorow he will sell his house n pay back the borrwoed amount...wats wrong?

CIC doesnt consider property worth say 1 milion as proof....nor gold worth 1 million...they want it in form of money.

Suppose if i have home and gold and lil cash with me wat shud i do? should i sell it and prove my finance before i get VISA?

even CIC say we should not do that....

guys urnot repaying the bkn borrowed money....why to bother so much

[Cappuccino]

Hi Fellas,

I completed my medicals yesterday and I just back to my desk.

I have a question regarding RPRF to Bufffalo, do any one know who should we get the money order to ?.

Payable to "Consulate General of Canada" or "Receiver general of canada". Please let me know. I am confused.

Wayne/ Seniors thought please!.

Thanks,

Pradeep

If it's in Canadian dollars, it's the Receiver General for Canada.

Sometimes visa offices allow local currency in which case the payee will be different, but you'll have to check with your visa office.

Simplest way is Canadian dollars then it's definitely the Receiver General for Canada!

Wayne.

[kolhapuri]

Let me be clear...first of all Proof of Funds doen't apply to me aS i applied in FSW2 category.
What i din't like is the worf "Fraudelent"
bknr has borrowed money and proved tht he has finance to support himself.
may be tommorow he will sell his house n pay back the borrwoed amount...wats wrong?
CIC doesnt consider property worth say 1 milion as proof....nor gold worth 1 million...they want it in form of money.
Suppose if i have home and gold and lil cash with me wat shud i do? should i sell it and prove my finance before i get VISA?
even CIC say we should not do that....Guys urnot repaying the bkn borrowed money....why to bother so much

Well, the entire thing he did was wrong. Or else he would have declared it to CIC. Wayne, In India we are used to getting things done by slipping a few quid below the table. People get used to this and the process gets accepted as part of life as this "under the table" is required at almost every part of the system. That doesnt make illegal thing legal. What is illegal is fraudulent.