Applicant from PhD program after 5 Nov, 2011 connect here to get status

[docky45]

  Am new in this forum,am an intending immigrant to canada Toronto, But i want to know if there are opportunities for veterinary surgeon which  i am , i have just started my masters in public health in preventive medicine what is my chance my mail is femmy_adeniran @ yahoo.com

[moonbow2010]

Hi guys.

I have got an email from Nova Scotia today notifying me that my application was rejected. As it turned out, I misunderstood the requirement regarding work experience. It has to be continuous, whereas mine was not. I have got a question to the guys whose application was approved - how is it even possible to have a continuous work experience while being a PhD student? I was a teaching assistant for 5 years in Canada but in my university all teaching assistants work from September until April only, and not in summer. Maybe in other universities the practice is different?

Thanks!

Summer breaks definitely do not matter before June 26,2010. So many Phd students already graduated in my department got their PR this way.

However, it was Buffalo back then dealing with the cases. After June 26, all application was first sent to CIO.  They may interpret Job experience differently from Buffalo sometimes.

[MASOUD2011]

Hey guys,

I am going to send the requested bank statement.

I also want to inform them about my wife's new job. Do you think a letter from the new employer would be enough for such a change in status? Or should I fill a new application for my wife?

[Aaron2012]

Hi Aaron2012, thanks, but can you also tell us your eCas status and your nationality? Also, regarding the 5 adaptability points, I think Dani1982 brought a really good point. I suppose it's technically possible to have completed your program, and not be granted the degree yet, and this condition would probably fit the category they were describing for the previous study points, depending how you interpret that particular sentence.

The wording is obviously ambiguous, and in my opinion, even if you have yet to convocate, once you finish your degree requirements, you have obtained all of the educational credentials associated with that particular degree, and should be qualified for jobs that require that degree (for example, you can assume a position of a post-doc, as long as you have completed the PhD program, regardless whether or not you have the degree on your hand), so again, in my opinion, if you have completed your program, then you have obtained a credential, and it is not possible to complete the program, and yet, at the same time, not having obtained any credential since that's basically true by definition.

Let's take a look again at the wording in OP6B:

That reads to me as: the person is not required to have completed the program yet, so long he has completed at least two years of a program (which automatically also imply that the program needs to be at least two years long), to earn these five points. The key word is 'credential'. Even if you have not obtained your degree yet on hand, you are still conferred all of the credentials and credibility that come with the completion of the program, therefore, not having to have obtained any credential should mean that you do not have to have completed your program, hence the (apparent) contradiction.

The OP6B is extremely confusing for everyone I talked.

I'm from China. My ecas is not accessible and I think it may take two weeks to pull it up again.

I heard some previous applications (before Buffalo shut down) will be forwarded either to Ottawa or New York. Hope there will be some new information from New York.

[Dani1982]

Hi Guys
It seems that Ottawa has a different interpretation from this 5 points of adaptability, they send a reply to my email and again saying the same thing and confirm the rejection. this is their reply :

You were provided with the decision containing the reasons for refusal of this application in our message thereby fully concluding this application. I note that you did not complete a program of study in Canada as you are currently enrolled in the same course of study for which your current study permit was issued.

Okay, I think this is the end

[TyrusX]

Hi Guys
It seems that Ottawa has a different interpretation from this 5 points of adaptability, they send a reply to my email and again saying the same thing and confirm the rejection. this is their reply :

You were provided with the decision containing the reasons for refusal of this application in our message thereby fully concluding this application. I note that you did not complete a program of study in Canada as you are currently enrolled in the same course of study for which your current study permit was issued.

Okay, I think that is it and this is the end

Bha, what a terrible news . This will certainly curtain most of the applicants here and is horrible! What I suggest is you hiring an immigration lawyer. This would probably cost about 2 thousand dollars or more but would be a last attempt to overcome this decision. I'm really afraid now. I have about 7 years of work experience but I just requested 3 in order to apply as soon as I could, I may not have enough points without those 5 points.

[smallkick]

So bad!!

Hi Guys
It seems that Ottawa has a different interpretation from this 5 points of adaptability, they send a reply to my email and again saying the same thing and confirm the rejection. this is their reply :

You were provided with the decision containing the reasons for refusal of this application in our message thereby fully concluding this application. I note that you did not complete a program of study in Canada as you are currently enrolled in the same course of study for which your current study permit was issued.

Okay, I think this is the end

[moonbow2010]

Did your past work experience compensating these 5 points or your IELTS?

Bha, what a terrible news . This will certainly curtain most of the applicants here and is horrible! What I suggest is you hiring an immigration lawyer. This would probably cost about 2 thousand dollars or more but would be a last attempt to overcome this decision. I'm really afraid now. I have about 7 years of work experience but I just requested 3 in order to apply as soon as I could, I may not have enough points without those 5 points.

[TyrusX]

Did your past work experience compensating these 5 points or your IELTS?

I got 16 points on the IELTS. But I could need those 2 extra points from the work experience, who knows! I'm not married so not 5 points on there as well.

[moonbow2010]

Even though you got this 5 points, they will find other excuses like your work experience not continuous or job duty mismatch.

They are just tightening FSW.  In the end, they need CECs to pay for the hole of their CANADA PENSION PLAN.

So I guess that the best we can do here is finding a job after graduation. Only till then, we can really settle down.

Getting a PR before graduation seems not to help in job search according to what happened in my department.

Hi Guys
It seems that Ottawa has a different interpretation from this 5 points of adaptability, they send a reply to my email and again saying the same thing and confirm the rejection. this is their reply :

You were provided with the decision containing the reasons for refusal of this application in our message thereby fully concluding this application. I note that you did not complete a program of study in Canada as you are currently enrolled in the same course of study for which your current study permit was issued.

Okay, I think this is the end

[moonbow2010]

I got 16 points on the IELTS. But I could need those 2 extra points from the work experience, who knows! I'm not married so not 5 points on there as well.

Maybe finding a wife of undergraduate could quickly fix your problrm

[TyrusX]

You were provided with the decision containing the reasons for refusal of this application in our message thereby fully concluding this application. I note that you did not complete a program of study in Canada as you are currently enrolled in the same course of study for which your current study permit was issued.

I think this was the intended interpretation of that paragraph. Still weird, that means that I can study for two years, drop out without a degree, and I get those points? UNFAIR.

[moonbow2010]

I think this was the intended interpretation of that paragraph. Still weird, that means that I can study for two years, drop out without a degree, and I get those points? UNFAIR.

Ridiculous rules. But that is how people play with laws.

[asbereth]

Hi Guys
It seems that Ottawa has a different interpretation from this 5 points of adaptability, they send a reply to my email and again saying the same thing and confirm the rejection.

Hi Dany1982, I'm sorry to hear that, and it's obviously a bad news for a lot of people (including me that would only have at best 68 points without those 5 adaptability points). At least for you, we know that they (Ottawa) recognized at least 3 years of your work experience, and theoretically speaking, if you improved your IELTS scores by at least 2 more points, then there should be no reason whatsoever for them (both the CIO and Ottawa) to reject you, if you reapply using exactly the same work experience. This is probably something that you would want to consider.

[TyrusX]

Hi Dany1982, I'm sorry to hear that, and it's obviously a bad news for a lot of people (including me that would only have at best 68 points without those 5 adaptability points). At least for you, we know that they (Ottawa) recognized at least 3 years of your work experience, and theoretically speaking, if you improved your IELTS scores by at least 2 more points, then there should be no reason whatsoever for them to reject you, if you reapply using exactly the same work experience. This is probably something that you would want to consider.

Yes. Try doing the CELPIP right away! It's much easier. You still have time to apply. We should have about 200 spots still opened. Try to re-apply before September, lots of people will become eligible by then.