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[moonbow2010]

To clarify
- Some of my work experience outside of Canada is counted. Some other experience is not counted since I was unable to provide a complete letter from former employers with details of my duties.
- My RA/TA is counted as work experience

I will try to call Ottawa tomorrow to "educate" them about the 5 adaptability points. I guess this PhD Stream is very new to them so not all reviewers in Ottawa is well-informed about that. I will keep you posted.

Wish you good luck with all my heart! It means so much to some of the applicants here.

[moonbow2010]

To clarify
- Some of my work experience outside of Canada is counted. Some other experience is not counted since I was unable to provide a complete letter from former employers with details of my duties.
- My RA/TA is counted as work experience

I will try to call Ottawa tomorrow to "educate" them about the 5 adaptability points. I guess this PhD Stream is very new to them so not all reviewers in Ottawa is well-informed about that. I will keep you posted.

Just a reminder, could you claim any points for your spouse's education?

If you forgot to claim, try sending your spouse's education certificate.

[anjuku]

I got an NER from Ottawa today. They didn't give me 5 points for having studied in Canada for 2 years (in adaptability category). I have send my appeal to them. Hope that it doesn't take long.

I'm so sorry to hear that!..one would think they should know by now that all the applicants in this stream are eligible for those 5 adaptability points!!..anyway, i hope you get your NER overturned as early as possible..good luck!

[MapleDream]

I got an NER from Ottawa today. They didn't give me 5 points for having studied in Canada for 2 years (in adaptability category). I have send my appeal to them. Hope that it doesn't take long.

It's weird. I got my NER in March, since they didn't award me the 5 adaptability points. After I appealed, they overturned NER to PER. Now, it means I have to do this again. I think there was a miscommunication between CPP and CIO. All PhD students who need the 5 adaptability points may have to repeat this process. How ridiculous it is!  

My date is a little earlier than phdapplicant. I can feel I will get some message from CPP in next few days.

[moonbow2010]

It's weird. I got my NER in March, since they didn't award me the 5 adaptability points. After I appealed, they overturned NER to PER. Now, it means I have to do this again. I think there was a miscommunication between CPP and CIO. All PhD students who need the 5 adaptability points may have to repeat this process. How ridiculous it is!  

My date is a little earlier than phdapplicant. I can feel I will get some message from CPP in next few days.

Decisions from these two are independent according to their manuals. That means that another appeal is necessary.

[PyramidCity]

To clarify
- Some of my work experience outside of Canada is counted. Some other experience is not counted since I was unable to provide a complete letter from former employers with details of my duties.
- My RA/TA is counted as work experience

I will try to call Ottawa tomorrow to "educate" them about the 5 adaptability points. I guess this PhD Stream is very new to them so not all reviewers in Ottawa is well-informed about that. I will keep you posted.

Hi phdapplicant,

We r in the same boat. However, I m wondering if you have got any adaptability points or nothing at all?

[PyramidCity]

Does anybody know the place to find the operational manual describing and regulating the duty of Opp-Ottawa?

[sohappyboy]

To clarify
- Some of my work experience outside of Canada is counted. Some other experience is not counted since I was unable to provide a complete letter from former employers with details of my duties.
- My RA/TA is counted as work experience

I will try to call Ottawa tomorrow to "educate" them about the 5 adaptability points. I guess this PhD Stream is very new to them so not all reviewers in Ottawa is well-informed about that. I will keep you posted.

Phdpplicant,
I have two questions for understanding the problem more clearly, I hope you do not mind answering them.

1- Did you get the 5 adaptability points from Sydney without any problem  ( I mean appealing ) but not from here ?
    Because as long as I know Sydeny gave 0 points first and after we appealed they granted 5 points.

2- Did you get any adaptablity point from Ottawa ?

[asbereth]

Phdpplicant,
I have two questions for understanding the problem more clearly, I hope you do not mind answering them.

1- Did you get the 5 adaptability points from Sydney without any problem  ( I mean appealing ) but not from here ?
    Because as long as I know Sydeny gave 0 points first and after we appealed they granted 5 points.

2- Did you get any adaptablity point from Ottawa ?

Hi sohappyboy, phdapplicant will hopefully correct me if I'm wrong, but the CPP Ottawa awarded him 66 points, and no adaptability points (as per his posts suggested). It could be that the difference in interpretation was not so much in adaptability points, but in work experience.

Maybe (just a speculation on my part), Sydney awarded phdapplicant enough points from work experience, but not the 5 adaptability points for previous study. So in the break down that Sydney forwarded to Ottawa, Sydney listed 0 for adaptability, but credited him with two years of work experience, bringing up his point tally to 68. Because Ottawa did not agree with this work experience assessment, and because on the initial assessment, these 5 points never entered the picture at all, Ottawa rejected on the basis of not having enough points (they were not going to grant points where Sydney did not I'm assuming).

Also, checking his posting history, I found that he never actually appealed for CIO, only that he requested him to submit additional letters for work experience. In this case, Sydney probably never awarded him the 5 points to begin with, but still thought that his application had more than 67 points, therefore, warranting forwarding to Ottawa.

So in short, Sydney probably gave him the following assessment:

Education                                                  25
Proficiency in English and/or French         16
Experience                                                17
Age                                                            10
Arranged employment in Canada              0
Adaptability                                                0
Total                                                           68

which would warrant forwarding to Ottawa, but Ottawa probably was not happy with the work experience assessment, and only agreed to credit him with 1 year of work experience, thus, coming up with the following:

Education                                                  25
Proficiency in English and/or French         16
Experience                                                15
Age                                                            10
Arranged employment in Canada              0
Adaptability                                                0
Total                                                           66

thus, rejecting the application.

I'm assuming that those who appealed and got their NER overturned won't have similar problem, since since the 5 points would be there on the initial assessment. I could be wrong though (knowing their level of competence and whatnot).

[sohappyboy]

Hi sohappyboy, phdapplicant will hopefully correct me if I'm wrong, but the CPP Ottawa awarded him 66 points, and no adaptability points (as per his posts suggested). It could be that the difference in interpretation was not so much in adaptability points, but in work experience.

Maybe (just a speculation on my part), Sydney awarded phdapplicant enough points from work experience, but not the 5 adaptability points for previous study. So in the break down that Sydney forwarded to Ottawa, Sydney listed 0 for adaptability, but credited him with two years of work experience, bringing up his point tally to 68. Because Ottawa did not agree with this work experience assessment, and because on the initial assessment, these 5 points never entered the picture at all, Ottawa rejected on the basis of not having enough points (they were not going to grant points where Sydney did not I'm assuming).

Also, checking his posting history, I found that he never actually appealed for CIO, only that he requested him to submit additional letters for work experience. In this case, Sydney probably never awarded him the 5 points to begin with, but still thought that his application had more than 67 points, therefore, warranting forwarding to Ottawa.

So in short, Sydney probably gave him the following assessment:

Education                                                  25
Proficiency in English and/or French         16
Experience                                                17
Age                                                            10
Arranged employment in Canada              0
Adaptability                                                0
Total                                                           68

which would warrant forwarding to Ottawa, but Ottawa probably was not happy with the work experience assessment, and only agreed to credit him with 1 year of work experience, thus, coming up with the following:

Education                                                  25
Proficiency in English and/or French         16
Experience                                                15
Age                                                            10
Arranged employment in Canada              0
Adaptability                                                0
Total                                                           66

thus, rejecting the application.

I'm assuming that those who appealed and got their NER overturned won't have similar problem, since since the 5 points would be there on the initial assessment. I could be wrong though (knowing their level of competence and whatnot).

Hi asbereth ,
Thanks for detailed explanation. It make a lot of sense.

[PyramidCity]

Hi sohappyboy, phdapplicant will hopefully correct me if I'm wrong, but the CPP Ottawa awarded him 66 points, and no adaptability points (as per his posts suggested). It could be that the difference in interpretation was not so much in adaptability points, but in work experience.

Maybe (just a speculation on my part), Sydney awarded phdapplicant enough points from work experience, but not the 5 adaptability points for previous study. So in the break down that Sydney forwarded to Ottawa, Sydney listed 0 for adaptability, but credited him with two years of work experience, bringing up his point tally to 68. Because Ottawa did not agree with this work experience assessment, and because on the initial assessment, these 5 points never entered the picture at all, Ottawa rejected on the basis of not having enough points (they were not going to grant points where Sydney did not I'm assuming).

Also, checking his posting history, I found that he never actually appealed for CIO, only that he requested him to submit additional letters for work experience. In this case, Sydney probably never awarded him the 5 points to begin with, but still thought that his application had more than 67 points, therefore, warranting forwarding to Ottawa.

So in short, Sydney probably gave him the following assessment:

Education                                                  25
Proficiency in English and/or French         16
Experience                                                17
Age                                                            10
Arranged employment in Canada              0
Adaptability                                                0
Total                                                           68

which would warrant forwarding to Ottawa, but Ottawa probably was not happy with the work experience assessment, and only agreed to credit him with 1 year of work experience, thus, coming up with the following:

Education                                                  25
Proficiency in English and/or French         16
Experience                                                15
Age                                                            10
Arranged employment in Canada              0
Adaptability                                                0
Total                                                           66

thus, rejecting the application.

I'm assuming that those who appealed and got their NER overturned won't have similar problem, since since the 5 points would be there on the initial assessment. I could be wrong though (knowing their level of competence and whatnot).

I also have such doubt. That is why I said in my reply that "it is not common that they did not explain why no adaptability points were assigned by quoting the ACT. " If you applied the adaptability points but were not assigned, they usually gave an explanation. That is to say, the reason was needlessly to be elaborated in this email coz it should be in the email sent by CIO and they did not change anything from CIO regarding this.

[asbereth]

I also have such doubt. That is why I said in my reply that "it is not common that they did not explain why no adaptability points were assigned by quoting the ACT. " If you applied the adaptability points but were not assigned, they usually gave an explanation.

I really hope that the appeal would work for his favor, 'cause not only would this be a good news for him (obviously), it's also good news for everybody else, especially those with borderline number of points. If he was never assigned the adaptability points by the CIO, then his rejection was due to differences in work experience. You're right though that it should've been explained why he would not be assigned the adaptability points if the CIO did assign him those points, but Ottawa disagreed.

Hi asbereth ,
Thanks for detailed explanation. It make a lot of sense.

Remember though this is just a speculation, and if we have learned anything from these past 7 months, it is that they sometimes work so randomly that it defies all things we thought were common sense

[moonbow2010]

Hi sohappyboy, phdapplicant will hopefully correct me if I'm wrong, but the CPP Ottawa awarded him 66 points, and no adaptability points (as per his posts suggested). It could be that the difference in interpretation was not so much in adaptability points, but in work experience.

Maybe (just a speculation on my part), Sydney awarded phdapplicant enough points from work experience, but not the 5 adaptability points for previous study. So in the break down that Sydney forwarded to Ottawa, Sydney listed 0 for adaptability, but credited him with two years of work experience, bringing up his point tally to 68. Because Ottawa did not agree with this work experience assessment, and because on the initial assessment, these 5 points never entered the picture at all, Ottawa rejected on the basis of not having enough points (they were not going to grant points where Sydney did not I'm assuming).

Also, checking his posting history, I found that he never actually appealed for CIO, only that he requested him to submit additional letters for work experience. In this case, Sydney probably never awarded him the 5 points to begin with, but still thought that his application had more than 67 points, therefore, warranting forwarding to Ottawa.

So in short, Sydney probably gave him the following assessment:

Education                                                  25
Proficiency in English and/or French         16
Experience                                                17
Age                                                            10
Arranged employment in Canada              0
Adaptability                                                0
Total                                                           68

which would warrant forwarding to Ottawa, but Ottawa probably was not happy with the work experience assessment, and only agreed to credit him with 1 year of work experience, thus, coming up with the following:

Education                                                  25
Proficiency in English and/or French         16
Experience                                                15
Age                                                            10
Arranged employment in Canada              0
Adaptability                                                0
Total                                                           66

thus, rejecting the application.

I'm assuming that those who appealed and got their NER overturned won't have similar problem, since since the 5 points would be there on the initial assessment. I could be wrong though (knowing their level of competence and whatnot).

However, he was awarded points for his work experience outside Canada. He mentioned that in his previous email.

Since he already has 1 year of work experience in Canada, points on his work experience should be greater than 15.

I doubt he may not gain enough points for his language.

[sohappyboy]

However, he was awarded points for his work experience outside Canada. He mentioned that in his previous email.

Since he already has 1 year of work experience in Canada, points on his work experience should be greater than 15.

I doubt he may not gain enough points for his language.

Let's wait for Phdapplicant to let us know what has happened. I really hope he will educate them
to overturn their decision.

[asbereth]

However, he was awarded points for his work experience outside Canada. He mentioned that in his previous email.

Since he already has 1 year of work experience in Canada, points on his work experience should be greater than 15.

I doubt he may not gain enough points for his language.

I think in the email, it was mentioned that he has 1 year and 3 months of TA/RA work experience, though I'm not sure how many points exactly he got credited for work experience exactly by Ottawa. phdapplication, if it's not too much trouble, can you clarify? It would be interesting to know though why the CIO thought that he had more than 67 points, but not Ottawa. Hopefully, it could be fixed easily, rather than having them rejecting the 5 adaptability points for all applicants who have not completed any Canadian post-secondary program (the worst case scenario where Ottawa would have the final say, and the CIO was being too lenient in awarding these 5 points)