The issue was, if there is nomore NOC 2151 after July 2012 and NOC 0711 is added, can architects who have experience in construction management apply under FSW or not? In that case an Architect who has more than 1 year experience in construction management (considering similar duty requirements) should be eligible under NOC 0711.
1. NOC 0711 is not a regulated profession that means it is not controlled by any specific group of professionals. Even there is hardly any undergraduate degree available in this field in Canada. Some of the graduate and postgraduate diplomas offered either in the department of Civil Engineering or architecture.
For example, some of the Local trainings:
University of Toronto
Department of Civil Engineeringwww.utoronto.ca
Department of Architectural Science
Department of Civil Engineering www.ryerson.ca/
It is more likely that professionals related to construction industry like civil engineers and architects enter into this specific field because they have related experience and knowledge.
2. Now, for NOC 0711 under employment requirements it is also mentioned that Extensive experience in the construction industry may substitute for post-secondary education requirements. (source: hrsdc.gc.ca) Again this is probably because it is a non-regulated profession and different professionals of construction industry may come into this field.
Moreover, ‘A university degree in civil engineering or a college diploma in construction technology is usually required' does not necessarily mean only civil engineering and construction technology degree holder can apply. Construction technology is a broader spectrum that is not well defined here and an architecture degree could easily fit into this.
3. Even Immigration services provided by Canadian organizations like JVS suggest architects to take a degree of construction management because some of the programs in local college offer construction management for internationally trained architects and engineers. Please check programs of www.georgebrown.ca
4. I would also suggest you to search for job requirements mentioned by job advertisement posted under NOC 0711, (even in workingincanada.gc.ca website) you will find construction management experience with architecture/design background is welcomed.
Being a postgraduate degree holder in construction management and having more than one year of experience in same field (regardless he is an architect or professor) will be more than enough for HHasan to qualify under FSW if construction management is included for next NOC list.
Nevertheless, you can stretch it out for endless arguments and you have that freedom in this forum; however, quotes like ‘architects are just plain drawing artists of any construction' only reflect your ignorance and lack of knowledge.
What you raised was in vain and irrelevant to CIC's requirement.
Architects can achive Masterts, Mphil, Ph.D in Construction Management etc, yet Neither Architects nor the Construction managers can fulfill each other's requirements to CIC. to CIC both required to have seperate academic degrees and experiences. links posted in earlier post. Think this way, if CIC wanted Architect Graduate as Construction managers, they'd seperately include the NOC of Construction manager in the list of 29. now if anyone wants to prove that Architects/Construction managers switched their career and possessed experiences in vice versa fields, then they are living in the heaven of fools. CIC knows well, under which circumstances Doctors become ganitors; only to apply to get PR visa.
Q1. Where do you find this 0212 Architecture and science managers in CIC's published lust?? they wanted plain Architects 2151, not 0212 Architecture and science managers.
Q2. Again, where this NOC 0421 Administrators comes from
0421 was not included in the last 3 year's of occupations list by CIC. come on wake up!!
4011 University professors and lecturers , was not in the list as well published in MI-2 and 3.
0711 Construction managers: was not in the list as well published in MI-2 and 3.
For your application to be eligible for processing, you must:
have a valid offer of arranged employment, OR
have one year of continuous full-time paid work experience in at least
one of the occupations listed here *
IS TRUE but, Experiences of Architecs will not be accepted as Construction managers nor Construction Managers' Experience will be accepted to CIC if Architects apply in this category. as both of their Academic degree requirements differ to a large extent and this would mean an act of cheating and effort to bring false resemblance. if 1 year experts in Construction management would award you the PR then on this earth we got hundreds of thousands of engineers having engineering academic degrees,university teachers having excellent qualifications in sociology/etc academic degrees who would collect false and fake experience certificates and applied to CIC.
You are being shown the false hopes by Crook consultants and better report them to CIC and hand them over to the police in your country.
Being an Architect degree holder, Why don't you Apply to CIC as 0912 Utilities managers ??
I'd be not so amazed to see the rejection letter